I prefer Ezra’s take from 2006.

Those factors interrupted the Republican plan for political domination started after the defeat of Barry Goldwater in 1964.

McGovern is used as a Rethug shibboleth, but the man was/is a great man who was rat-fucked by the proto-Rovian Rethugs for daring to oppose their designs on America. He didn’t deserve the disrespect he got at the time. America would have become a much better place if he had been elected instead of Nixon…

(Made a few corrections on Amanda’s behalf. Hope you don’t mind. The ones I struck-out are obvious straw-attempts to read evil into Amanda’s beliefs…)

Wow, that’s quite a grab-bag of anxious-American-white-male obsessions you’ve got there, JimB. Ever sought professional help? It might do you a lot of good…

Amanda, you hate far more than supposed racists. You hate Republicans, you hate conservatives, you hate frat boys, you hate Christians, you hate pro-lifers, you hate non-feminists, you hate Bush, you hate BushCo, you hate Cheney, you hate American soldiers, you hate talk radio, you hate Corporations, you hate black conservatives, you hate black, Christian fundamentalist preachers, you hate Sky Fairy believers, you hate EvoPsyc’s, you hate America, you hate masculinity, you hate supposed white privilege, you hate … a lot.

Mnemosyne: “Hawaii is a white, middle-class environment? You may want to do a little more research on that talking point before you bring it out again. (Hint: Hawaii is not now, and never has been since it joined the US, a majority-white state.)”
I saw a photograph of his prep high school class. It was overwhelming white.

You belong, by your own statements, to another party. You are not a Democrat. You’re a Green. Why, exactly, are we supposed to pay attention to your opinion about who the Democrats should nominate, any more than we pay attention to Dana’s opinion?

Again, I apologize. See, I didn’t know that the Democrats have an unwaveringly loyal base of 51% of registered voters in enough states to carry the Electoral College. That was my mistake.

Are you “supposed to” listen to my opinion? I make no such claim.

But some people asked some relevant questions here:

I think that Colorado Dave’s question about coat-tails is actually answered by SArah many posts above: “I think we’ll all be telling our grandchildren (or friends’ grandchildren) about this amazing moment in history.” Are there people out there flooding into the system together to share such a moment created by Hilary Clinton? I don’t think so. I think that Hilary Clinton has got a lock on many people who were there already. Creation of a new flood that will raise other boats is more of an Obama thing, at least at the moment.

Put it this way, while Obama might not be able to get the racists to crossover, does anyone think that Hillary (who will also not get those votes, and will draw more GOP voters to the polls) will energize the base and bring in new voters?

I guess what it comes down to is which candidate do you think will do best in Ohio and Florida?

Strangely enough, some people here actually care to ask whether Clinton or Obama can reach out to non-Democrats and bring in enought votes to carry Ohio. Imagine that!

And as a non-Democrat living in Ohio, I might have something to offer as in reply. Not much, but the questions were raised and my anecdata are as good as any. I didn’t notice that those people posing the questions also requested that non-Democrats need not respond. I am so very, very sorry for that oversight.

Really, mnemosyne, this is what I don’t understand. If you don’t care what I have to say, why don’t you just ignore me, instead of picking an argument with me? Wouldn’t that be a more judicious use of everyone’s time? Please. If you want to talk, talk. If you don’t, don’t! Either way is fine with me. Just don’t act like I’m pulling your arm.

You mean other than demanding in several threads that we respect your opinions about the Democratic primary when you’re not a Democrat?

More lying, eh, mnemosyne?

Quotes or it didn’t happen.

You really are an incredibly dishonest person.

Yes, I’m the one who comes into threads about another party’s nominations and declares who that party should nominate if they want to get my vote, even though I don’t belong to that party and don’t consider myself part of that party.

While I understand that you feel I am not welcome here, I am not being dishonest. I am not misrepresenting myself. If I claimed to be a Democrat, that would be dishonest, though on the other hand I would not have incurred your wrath. Quite a dilemma.

Again, you coming in here to tell us who to nominate is like me going to RedState to tell them which Republican I would vote for.

I was under the impression that Pandagon was a website for progressives, and not just Democrats. If Amanda, Pam or Auguste tells me I am wrong about that, I will be on my way.

If, on the other hand, I am permitted here, and if some of the above posters who appeared to be wondering what non-Democrats think were indeed wondering what non-Democrats think, then I don’t see what the big honking problem is.

Sorry, but I’m tired of playing your little game. If you’re not a Democrat, you have no place in the nomination process for the Democratic Party. It’s party business.

Ugh. I think I feel another apology burbling up.

I didn’t know that this whole business was all just about insider trading and meaningless horse races. I had mistakenly thought that the future direction of the nation and the world was in the balance, and that I was a United States citizen who had not only a stake in that future but a right to express my hopes through speech and votes. Fuuuuck me, I was so wrong. Thank you for setting me straight.

Vote for who you like in the general election, but if you’re not a Democrat, why do you think we should pay attention to you?

Yeah!! My words on a website are a gun to your head, mnemosyne! Care about all my anonymous little opinions, right now, or I’ll pull the fucking trigger!

You belong, by your own statements, to another party. You are not a Democrat. You’re a Green. Why, exactly, are we supposed to pay attention to your opinion about who the Democrats should nominate, any more than we pay attention to Dana’s opinion?

At what point that turned into me saying I’m entitled to special treatment, I don’t know, that only happened in your imagination.

You mean other than demanding in several threads that we respect your opinions about the Democratic primary when you’re not a Democrat?

You really are an incredibly dishonest person.

Yes, I’m the one who comes into threads about another party’s nominations and declares who that party should nominate if they want to get my vote, even though I don’t belong to that party and don’t consider myself part of that party.

Again, you coming in here to tell us who to nominate is like me going to RedState to tell them which Republican I would vote for.

Sorry, but I’m tired of playing your little game. If you’re not a Democrat, you have no place in the nomination process for the Democratic Party. It’s party business. Vote for who you like in the general election, but if you’re not a Democrat, why do you think we should pay attention to you?

Someone above asked “aren’t we just going to be happy with anyone Blue?” and I answered that no, I might be happy with Obama but not Clinton. Someone responded, and I responded in turn, etc.

At what point that turned into me saying I’m entitled to special treatment, I don’t know, that only happened in your imagination.

You really are an incredibly dishonest person.