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		<title>by: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486554</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Amanda, I agree that abstinence only education doesn't work and is foolish even if it did &quot;work.&quot;  People need to know how their bodies work and about adult relationships.    I think that Joycelyn Elders got a completely raw deal.

As for jobs at McDonald's, the point is that you shouldn't have to spend your early years slaving over a grease pit (frostbitten construction site, etc.) on crazy overtime to support a child because you has sex when you were 18.  My people - a lot of them - screwed up their lives through their sexual choices.  I feel lucky to have escaped a similar fate.  It angers me to think that someone would take your advice and screw up her or his life.  You are pro-choice, right? 

I am sorely tempted to take your bait Amanda, as you seem to be accusing me of bad faith, &quot;hypocrisy&quot; here.    I don't impugn your motives, I don't think you are TRYING to promote the scourges of teen pregnancy and STIs that afflict the city I live near.  You are trying to help.  I question the effectiveness of your approach. But again, not discussing my first sexual experience with your widespread readership for the same reason you aren't discussing your last one.

Ms. Kate, you and I are closer in viewpoint, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amanda, I agree that abstinence only education doesn&#8217;t work and is foolish even if it did &#8220;work.&#8221;  People need to know how their bodies work and about adult relationships.    I think that Joycelyn Elders got a completely raw deal.</p>
	<p>As for jobs at McDonald&#8217;s, the point is that you shouldn&#8217;t have to spend your early years slaving over a grease pit (frostbitten construction site, etc.) on crazy overtime to support a child because you has sex when you were 18.  My people - a lot of them - screwed up their lives through their sexual choices.  I feel lucky to have escaped a similar fate.  It angers me to think that someone would take your advice and screw up her or his life.  You are pro-choice, right? </p>
	<p>I am sorely tempted to take your bait Amanda, as you seem to be accusing me of bad faith, &#8220;hypocrisy&#8221; here.    I don&#8217;t impugn your motives, I don&#8217;t think you are TRYING to promote the scourges of teen pregnancy and STIs that afflict the city I live near.  You are trying to help.  I question the effectiveness of your approach. But again, not discussing my first sexual experience with your widespread readership for the same reason you aren&#8217;t discussing your last one.</p>
	<p>Ms. Kate, you and I are closer in viewpoint, I think.
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		<title>by: Tyro</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486365</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Medication has helped, for a certain value of &quot;help&quot; - it makes me feel better and perhaps has made me more compliant, but it doesn't make me care.&lt;/i&gt;

In fact, medication typically does the exact opposite-- it's supposed to ensure that &lt;i&gt;you don't care&lt;/i&gt;, so that you don't get distracted with your depression weighing you down.

For Doug, there are no simple answers. Acting differently would require a substantial inner change that isn't going to come out of a few medical prescriptions or counseling sessions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Medication has helped, for a certain value of &#8220;help&#8221; - it makes me feel better and perhaps has made me more compliant, but it doesn&#8217;t make me care.</i></p>
	<p>In fact, medication typically does the exact opposite&#8211; it&#8217;s supposed to ensure that <i>you don&#8217;t care</i>, so that you don&#8217;t get distracted with your depression weighing you down.</p>
	<p>For Doug, there are no simple answers. Acting differently would require a substantial inner change that isn&#8217;t going to come out of a few medical prescriptions or counseling sessions.
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		<title>by: Doug S.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486245</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Doug S, i think sleeping with teenagers would only increase your problems, so i recommend NOT doing that, regardless if you are attracted to them or not. please take care of yourself before you drag kids into your bed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Um, duh?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Doug S, also, was wondering if you tried any medication? after finding the right one for me, it has improved my life SO MUCH.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Medication has helped, for a certain value of &quot;help&quot; - it makes me feel better and perhaps has made me more compliant, but it doesn't make me care. I really only graduated high school and college because my parents demanded that I do so. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Doug, are you sure you don’t have a thyroid problem? A close friend of mine was once in your almost exact situation - no motivation, tired all the time, feeling “lazy”, depression - and it turned out to be his thyroid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I've had lots of blood tests, and apparently my thyroid hormones are normal. 

My &quot;laziness&quot; was somewhat deliberately constructed. I generally won't do unpleasant things now in order to achieve a future reward. Thinking about my future has been the most reliable way to make myself feel miserable, so I've trained myself to only focus on the present. At times, I've found it fairly easy to achieve happiness in the present by distracting myself through books, video games, or the Internet. As my parents clearly care much more about my long-term prospects than I do, it's lead to many conflicts.

Recently, though, my problems seem to have shifted from &quot;there's this big nasty thing, called school, that's keeping me from doing what I really want to do&quot; to &quot;Now that nobody's using threats to force me to do things, I no longer know what it is I wanted the free time to do in the first place.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Doug S, i think sleeping with teenagers would only increase your problems, so i recommend NOT doing that, regardless if you are attracted to them or not. please take care of yourself before you drag kids into your bed.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Um, duh?</p>
	<blockquote><p>Doug S, also, was wondering if you tried any medication? after finding the right one for me, it has improved my life SO MUCH.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Medication has helped, for a certain value of &#8220;help&#8221; - it makes me feel better and perhaps has made me more compliant, but it doesn&#8217;t make me care. I really only graduated high school and college because my parents demanded that I do so. </p>
	<blockquote><p>Doug, are you sure you don’t have a thyroid problem? A close friend of mine was once in your almost exact situation - no motivation, tired all the time, feeling “lazy”, depression - and it turned out to be his thyroid.</p></blockquote>
	<p>I&#8217;ve had lots of blood tests, and apparently my thyroid hormones are normal. </p>
	<p>My &#8220;laziness&#8221; was somewhat deliberately constructed. I generally won&#8217;t do unpleasant things now in order to achieve a future reward. Thinking about my future has been the most reliable way to make myself feel miserable, so I&#8217;ve trained myself to only focus on the present. At times, I&#8217;ve found it fairly easy to achieve happiness in the present by distracting myself through books, video games, or the Internet. As my parents clearly care much more about my long-term prospects than I do, it&#8217;s lead to many conflicts.</p>
	<p>Recently, though, my problems seem to have shifted from &#8220;there&#8217;s this big nasty thing, called school, that&#8217;s keeping me from doing what I really want to do&#8221; to &#8220;Now that nobody&#8217;s using threats to force me to do things, I no longer know what it is I wanted the free time to do in the first place.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Mel</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486238</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmm, I don't think having sex as a teenager necessarily makes adult relationships easier (in fact, I can't really think of any reasons why it would).  I think having a positive first sexual and/or romantic experience does, but I don't think it makes a difference whether that happens when you're 16 or 26 (although past some age, society starts telling you there's Something Wrong With You).

I didn't have sex until I was 19, and that was an appropriate choice for me.  Having sex earlier would not have made me better prepared for adult relationships because I wasn't ready for sex.

So...I think it's fine and healthy for many teenagers to have sex, and it's fine and healthy for others not to, and I don't think there should be pressure or value placed on either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmm, I don&#8217;t think having sex as a teenager necessarily makes adult relationships easier (in fact, I can&#8217;t really think of any reasons why it would).  I think having a positive first sexual and/or romantic experience does, but I don&#8217;t think it makes a difference whether that happens when you&#8217;re 16 or 26 (although past some age, society starts telling you there&#8217;s Something Wrong With You).</p>
	<p>I didn&#8217;t have sex until I was 19, and that was an appropriate choice for me.  Having sex earlier would not have made me better prepared for adult relationships because I wasn&#8217;t ready for sex.</p>
	<p>So&#8230;I think it&#8217;s fine and healthy for many teenagers to have sex, and it&#8217;s fine and healthy for others not to, and I don&#8217;t think there should be pressure or value placed on either.
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		<title>by: Ms. Kate</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486237</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Chet may be on to something here Doug.  Aside from that, it sounds like counseling is a real bust for you because it isn't about what you want from life.  I can understand that.

You may be set for now, but you probably aren't set forever.  At some point, something will need to change. I hope your both your sake and your family's sake it isn't your very existance!

Best of luck, whatever you may end up doing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Chet may be on to something here Doug.  Aside from that, it sounds like counseling is a real bust for you because it isn&#8217;t about what you want from life.  I can understand that.</p>
	<p>You may be set for now, but you probably aren&#8217;t set forever.  At some point, something will need to change. I hope your both your sake and your family&#8217;s sake it isn&#8217;t your very existance!</p>
	<p>Best of luck, whatever you may end up doing.
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		<title>by: Chet</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486204</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m basically the world’s laziest person. If it feels like effort, I won’t do it until not doing it feels like more effort than doing it.&lt;/i&gt;

Doug, are you sure you don't have a thyroid problem? A close friend of mine was once in your almost exact situation - no motivation, tired all the time, feeling &quot;lazy&quot;, depression - and it turned out to be his thyroid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I’m basically the world’s laziest person. If it feels like effort, I won’t do it until not doing it feels like more effort than doing it.</i></p>
	<p>Doug, are you sure you don&#8217;t have a thyroid problem? A close friend of mine was once in your almost exact situation - no motivation, tired all the time, feeling &#8220;lazy&#8221;, depression - and it turned out to be his thyroid.
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		<title>by: Casey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486180</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>katherine, my current bf didn't have sex until he got with me, at age 30. (not by choice, although i think it could've happened if he actually tried - he's very shy. he also probably isn't into casual sex, and he just wasn't in love w/ anyone until me.) i do agree kids should not be taught that to become an adult, they have to have sex, but i also think they shouldn't be taught that to have sex, they need to be an adult (or married.) everyone has their own development process, and it should be encouraged for everyone to follow their own paths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>katherine, my current bf didn&#8217;t have sex until he got with me, at age 30. (not by choice, although i think it could&#8217;ve happened if he actually tried - he&#8217;s very shy. he also probably isn&#8217;t into casual sex, and he just wasn&#8217;t in love w/ anyone until me.) i do agree kids should not be taught that to become an adult, they have to have sex, but i also think they shouldn&#8217;t be taught that to have sex, they need to be an adult (or married.) everyone has their own development process, and it should be encouraged for everyone to follow their own paths.
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		<title>by: Casey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486176</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Amanda, i lost my virginity in a semi-casual relationship. we weren't in love, i was only with him for 2 months total, but i had no problems with it. he was slow and gentle and there was no pressure, i WANTED it bad, i wasn't willing to wait for a romance to come along. i was 17. i regretted not sleeping w/ my first love, when i was 15, because mainly i had bought into the whole &quot;sex is for adults&quot; and so held out. by the time i was 17, with no new loves in sight, i was practically willing to screw the first guy who was willing! (jk)

i've had casual relationships, and one night stands, and serious relationships, and i do have to agree, that the sex is always better with love, at least for me. i gave up on one night stands because i have never reached an orgasm a single time w/ them. (and i get orgasms VERY easily...) nowadays, if i'm not in a serious relationship but am horny, i won't do one night stands, but will casually date someone and get to know them a bit (like 2 or 3 dates) to make sure they aren't assholes and that has worked out very well for me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amanda, i lost my virginity in a semi-casual relationship. we weren&#8217;t in love, i was only with him for 2 months total, but i had no problems with it. he was slow and gentle and there was no pressure, i WANTED it bad, i wasn&#8217;t willing to wait for a romance to come along. i was 17. i regretted not sleeping w/ my first love, when i was 15, because mainly i had bought into the whole &#8220;sex is for adults&#8221; and so held out. by the time i was 17, with no new loves in sight, i was practically willing to screw the first guy who was willing! (jk)</p>
	<p>i&#8217;ve had casual relationships, and one night stands, and serious relationships, and i do have to agree, that the sex is always better with love, at least for me. i gave up on one night stands because i have never reached an orgasm a single time w/ them. (and i get orgasms VERY easily&#8230;) nowadays, if i&#8217;m not in a serious relationship but am horny, i won&#8217;t do one night stands, but will casually date someone and get to know them a bit (like 2 or 3 dates) to make sure they aren&#8217;t assholes and that has worked out very well for me.
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		<title>by: Casey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486169</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Doug S, also, was wondering if you tried any medication? after finding the right one for me, it has improved my life SO MUCH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Doug S, also, was wondering if you tried any medication? after finding the right one for me, it has improved my life SO MUCH.
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		<title>by: Casey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/30/this-wont-ruffle-any-feathers/#comment-486165</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Doug S, i think sleeping with teenagers would only increase your problems, so i recommend NOT doing that, regardless if you are attracted to them or not. please take care of yourself before you drag kids into your bed.

as for therapy, if you think of it as PUNISHMENT, it's going to be difficult for it to help you. try to think of it as HELP, since you can't change yourself all on your own.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Doug S, i think sleeping with teenagers would only increase your problems, so i recommend NOT doing that, regardless if you are attracted to them or not. please take care of yourself before you drag kids into your bed.</p>
	<p>as for therapy, if you think of it as PUNISHMENT, it&#8217;s going to be difficult for it to help you. try to think of it as HELP, since you can&#8217;t change yourself all on your own.
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