Unceasing harlotry!
Well, this is a red letter day. Amanda Marcotte gets mentioned here twice. I see she also likes to wear red. Appropriate.
Ha! I also show my ankles in public. Truly a living example of the decline of Western civilization.
Someone call Lord Saletan and ask him if he’d like to write a piece on how anti- and pro-choicers can come together and compromise by convincing women to wear pink instead.
Update: It must be the weather. Mo Dowd is making hay over the fact that Hillary Clinton wears red.
Like Scarlett O’Hara after a public humiliation, Hillary showed up at the gathering wearing a defiant shade of red.
I can safely say that if you had told me yesterday that some people are still genuinely troubled by women who wear red, I would have laughed at you.
I’m sure she would be okay with you wearing red, as long as you were willing to be called Ofmarc…
And once again we see that the tactics of the anti-choicers mirror those of PETA with remarkable fidelity. I wonder if it would exceed the limits of tastelessness to parody her approach as The Holocaust in Your Uterus, except with pictures of the results of miscarriages instead of abortions.
I read through a few of the comments on that site. Here’s an instant classic:
And women who have abortions are much more likely to abuse children from subsequent pregnancies, so there you go.
I reminded her that the Nazis were actually in full agreement with her about abortion and birth control. I’m sure that went over well. Not sure, since she didn’t let it post.
Like I said below in comments, I actually kind of pity her since she’s so fucked up in the head about sex and pregnancy. I suspect something terrible happened to that woman once, and this is her attempt to reconcile the trauma. I’m usually uneasy to pull out the “you’re mentally ill!” card, because we’re all neurotic on one level or another. But I just have a hunch about her.
Well, this is a red letter day. Amanda Marcotte gets mentioned here twice. I see she also likes to wear red. Appropriate.
It’s all falling into place.
So, by this construction, my late grandmother was a harlot at the age of 93?
I knew she stayed active, but geez …
I want that dress. From the time I could talk red has been my favorite color. I got married in a red dress. Now that my hair is silver, I am seriously considering wearing only red.
I stopped reading the comments once they started sounding like Reverend Lovejoy: “Everything is about Jesus.” it all melds into white noise at some point.
Hell, get me the right heels, and wig, (and bags of sushi rice with the strapless bra) and on the right occasion, and I’ll rock that dress.
Redstocking, I’m with you. Red is my favorite color to wear. But then, I’m living in sin right now, not to mention using the Satanic birth control pill, so that’s apparently appropriate for me.
MCC, “http://plif.andkon.com/archive/wc191.gif” ???
Shows nothing on my browser.
Though I don’t know that I’d want *that* dress - its waistline is kind of weird and would not be flattering on me.
Yeah: Wichita, Gilead. Capital city of same.
That is a hot dress, Amanda. You’d wear it with style, I think!
Yay! We get the Abortion Museum! That’ll go great with our other attractions, like the world’s largest ball of twine and the world’s deepest hand dug well!
What would Stanek think if she found out that my bedsheets are also red? She’s probably faint from moral outrage.
“What would Stanek think if she found out that my bedsheets are also red?”
If they’re red, AND they’re satin…Burn the witch!!!…
What would Stanek think if she found out that my bedsheets are also red?
Shit, so are mine.
And, whenever given the chance, I decorate my bathroom in red.
I think I need the statue of fetuses on spikes to really make it a good bathroom, though. That’d make an awesome free-standing toilet paper holder.
I had never been over to Stanek’s website before. Wow. That is some unhinged shit.
And sign me up for the harlotry club; my bedsheets are red, too.
Umm, I have to go buy lots of red items from a thrift-shop now. I don’t currently own any red items, I’m a blue person myself. But as they seem to think red makes you one saucy temptress ( what with it being the color of stop signs, menstrual blood, and aborted fetuses) I might as well oblige them. This way if I ever get in the argument with a rethuglican, I can simply point to myself and tell them that they were asking for it, as it should have been obvious that they were dealing with Sinner.
All I can think is that’s one pretty, pretty, dress and if I owned it I would wear it every chance I had.
I have a red couch. Obviously I am the whore of Babylon. My dining room table is a red Moroccan table. I’m obviously a traitor and a harlot. I kind of like it.
They should brand you with some kind of letter for wearing red all the time like the deranged hussy you are.
Now, what color to make the letter…
I’m wearing mustang cargo pants right now, does that count?
“What would Stanek think if she found out that my bedsheets are also red?
Shit, so are mine”
“And sign me up for the harlotry club; my bedsheets are red, too.”
Well, that makes four, cause mine are too. I’ve got one set of regular red, and one set of red plaid. In fact, Grolby is sitting on the plaid ones right now. Sinners, all of us.
Also red dress=WANT!
We’ve got king-sized red satin sheets and Charlie has a lovely, low-cut, skin tight sleeveless 1950’s era nightclub-style evening gown with sz 10 red heels…
Okay, bring on the firing squad.
BTW, Anderson Cooper was just talking with Nancy Reagan before the latest Rep Debate at the Reagan Library and- GASP!!- NANCY WORE A RED DRESS!
Tawdry slut.
God, that’s an awesome dress. And speaking of red dresses, Nancy Reagan, anyone? I seem to recall she wore a lot of red.
I love that dress, though now it would clash like mad with my pink hair.
Aww damn, now I’m missing being able to wear harlot red.
see, it’s winter. My red sheets are flannel. snuggly warm.
I love the color red; I just love jewel tones. Stanek lives a very sad sad life if she really believes this crap. If something bad happened to her, she’s really hostile about it toward other women. I can’t figure what might have happened to her, frankly.
My winter coat, and computer bag are also red. Yeah, I like the color. And I look fabulous in it…same with orange.
The red dress is a mid-80s Oscar de la Renta, FYI. From all the enthusiasm here, I’m guessing the 80s really and truly are back.
Aahhh, my red plaid ones are flannel too. Agree with you MAJeff, about the winter thing.
God, don’t say that. Shoulder pads and pouffy hair were bad enough the first time around.
If I ever marry again, I’ll definitely wear red to the wedding.
But THIS time around they’re DIGITAL!
I am so jealous of women who look good in red. I look like I’m suffering some sort leprosy whenever I try to wear it.
Strut it if you got it, Amanda!
I don’t suppose that dear crazy Mo realized that Laura Bush was ALSO wearing red. And we all know what a rebellious Jezebel SHE is!!
Red is very popular amongst recent First Ladies–Nancy Reagan used to wear it all the time. What does it mean? Not a damn thing, probably.
. Shoulder pads and pouffy hair were bad enough the first time around.
Oh, not poofy hair, the claw! And it still hasn’t gone away in some places. (It’s still called “revere hair” around here, which is more like, “revee-a hay-a”)
I’m not generally a red fan in clothing - but I could seriously rock that dress.
I guess my grandmother was a wanton harlot then, since she once wore a red dress to church!
Of course, in her day, she had to go to the next town over on a day her parents were out of town in order to wear the dress without causing a scandal. She had made the dress secretly, and when they were gone, she scooted out to wear her rebellious dress in a church where nobody knew her. Ran back home, changed, and was surprised by her parents arriving home a day early. They had gone to church a town over, and all they wanted to talk about was the scandalous woman wearing a bright red dress in church. What kind of people went to that church? (They had only seen her from the back.)
Apparently, Jill Stanek has not progressed from the sartorial views of Gadston, Alabama Quakers from the early 1920’s.
Revere hair? Like in prayer? Well, we did always say in Texas, the higher the hair the closer to god.
I can only wear certain shades of red–generally darker, more blue-ish shades, like a dark wine red or a raspberry red. The brighter colors make me look very washed out and kind of ill (I’m really, really pale with a peachy complexion). But I do love it.
I also have red bedsheets and the dress I currently wear to most weddings/dress up events is a really nice shade of red, as is my favorite sweater. Does that make me a harlot too?
“Apparently, Jill Stanek has not progressed from the sartorial views of Gadston, Alabama Quakers from the early 1920’s.”
That’s a feature, not a bug…
Which made me think of The Village, a place that Jill Stanek would probably love to live…
Wearing red makes it ridiculously easy to shop. You can be in and out of a shop or thrift shop in minutes. I have a red living room as well as red sheets. When my mom died, we decided to honor her by wearing red and singing We Shall Overcome at her funeral.
Red is an auspicious color for Hindus and Hindu brides tend to wear red.
As in
http://www.princejewellery.com/images/hindu-bride-image.jpg
http://www.spadaphotography.com/portraits/beautiful_hindu_bride.jpg
http://www.vdiexports.com/adminvdi/data/images/PS413.jpg
So, all you who favor red, you’re in excellent company!
:-)
-Arun
Revere hair? Like in prayer?
Nope, town on the North Shore.
The drop waist! The Moiré! The jaunty bow! Ahhhh! The first thing that popped into my head when I saw the pic was “great color, but the dress is so…1986″.
I guess I was paying more attention to fashion in the 80’s than I thought (I was in a green plaid uniform all the time in the late 80’s).
And I wish I were surprised about the Jill and MoDo’s Red Scare, but I’m not.
Today the 20-year-old boys sitting behind me on the bus were grouching to each other about how they had expected their female housemates to “cook and clean for them”, and were shocked that said females did not in fact fly around picking up their male roomie/godheads’ shit. So we’re getting this crap from all sides. What century is this again?
Jill Stanek’s defnitely up to some odd retro-style slut-shaming here. But all this “ZOMG red!” nuttiness kinda struck me as an anti-leftist dogwhistle, particularly with all the John Edwards bits thrown in. Watch out Amanda, next she’ll be blaming you for the Haymarket Riot!
(and apologies in advance if this quintuple posts or anything)
No doubt Stanek thinks you dye your clothes and sheets red with the blood of virgins, including unborn children.
I love red clothes too. :^D
Don’t tell me you have that little red book tucked under that lovely red dress of yours, inkybrain.
Oh that was really funny! It was like something a maiden Aunt would say in an Elizabeth Gaskell novel …..
“I see Miss Amanda likes to wear red. How appropriate” sniffed Aunt Jill derisively looking down her aquiline nose.
Count me in as another lover of red - my phone is red, my bag is red, my favourite boots are red (what would Maiden Aunt Jill think of women who wear red boots? I fear an attack of the vapours!). BTW, love your red sweater in the photo, you shameless hussy, you!
I don’t understand this ‘red dress’ is harlot business.
Shouldn’t a real harlot dress looks like 1st century roman hooker? (ie. harlot.) Red couldn’t possibly be a harlot dress color, since modern red dye accessible to mass is only available after late 19th century. I am just saying…heh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochineal
After synthetic pigments and dyes such as alizarin were invented in the late 19th century, natural-dye production gradually diminished. However, current health concerns over artificial food additives have renewed the popularity of cochineal dyes, and the increased demand has made cultivation of the insect profitable again
Yes of course people will then say, yeah but this is modern day perception. .. And I say…
NEON GREEN is definitely freaky color.
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Note:
How people dress during the Roman empire.
http://www.roman-empire.net/society/soc-dress.html
I had a courthouse wedding in a red dress, and Chef wore a red shirt to match. We’re, like, extra scandalous.
Yeah, I had to fight with my MIL when I got married because I wanted a green sari instead of a red one. We didn’t have an actual Hindu wedding, but got some kind of blessing at a temple the day before the wedding and she really wanted me to wear a sari. I was kind of willing to wear red, if I found one I liked, but I saw the particular green one and I fell in love with it. And since I was wearing it and I was paying for it and I had to get the expensive extra wide one anyway (I’m tall) and it was my first sari, I was getting the one I wanted. And now that I have several, I still don’t have a red one (I have two green, two blue, a purple, and a gold, but no red).
Well, it’s getting to be time for Chinese New Year, so if wearing red is scary, I suggest staying out of the general “far east” region or any sort of Chinatown around the 7th.
And also, since Valentine’s Day is this month, I imagine a lot of students will be encouraged to wear red on the 14th … I know I was, especially in elementary school.
Okay, so Chinese people are sluts, and schoolkids are sluts, and … lessee … particular school sports supporters are sluts …
Me, I look bad in red. I do wear burgundy, but regular red looks horrible on my translucent skin.
Nancy Reagan is famous for wearing red. I guess that makes her a harlot.
Nah, being a harlot is too much fun for Nancy.
Not only the color of harlots, but of socialist and communists. No wonder it has to be banned. Oh, and wait, for the last decade or so the color of the die-hard republican party and power ties.
Well, honestly. When any habitual reader of GWTW knows that the dress Scarlett wore during her humiliation scene was actually moss green, with a big bunch of pink roses on the bustle…
I guess Americans really don’t read…
1. Last night Jon Stewart took the piss out of HRC and Laura Bush wearing apparently coordinated red dresses at the SOTU yawnfest.
2. I just bought a fire-engine red - oops, I mean harlot red - electric mixer. Evidence that some of us are depraved even when we pretend to be nice little housewives.
3. I can’t believe Stanek consigned Amanda to the same circle of hell as Nazi prison guards. See how the liberal fascism meme travels?
A harlot mixer? How come I wasn’t invited?
Lets see … red sheets … red duvet … red dining room … red sofa … own three red sweaters … have I attained the level of Rebellious Jezebel yet?
Reveyah Hayuh aka Big Hayuh. Oh gadzooks, I remember wading through the Vinnies and Marias to get across Kenmore Squayah to the Ratt. They would get pre-tanked out of the trunk of their Camaros parked on the streets of the Kenmore Squayuh arear and stumble over to the Kenmore Club aka Celebration.
Remember Italian Ice, Jeff?
Down at Reveyuh Beach sittin’ onna wall
Me an’ my boys ah drinkin PBaH Talls
My othuh hand is empty so I tug on my balls …
In the movie, Scarlett wears a red dress to Melanie’s death bed under the command of Rhett, who wants to humiliate her for her faithless heart. So really, it has nothing to do with women’s own desires. It’s about shaming Scarlett for her sexual proclivities.
I was just thinking that with my red sheets, couches, curtains, and appliances I apparently wasn’t as perfect a dutiful SAHM as I thought. Or is it ok to wear red if our husbands like it? I mean, if I dress like a harlot, but only because my master wants me to, is that alright?
Nah, being a harlot is too much fun for Nancy.
Are you kidding? People still say she gave the best blowjobs in Hollywood before she and Ronnie got married when she was three months pregnant.
Don’t let her fool you — Nancy was a goer.
Well, honestly. When any habitual reader of GWTW knows that the dress Scarlett wore during her humiliation scene was actually moss green, with a big bunch of pink roses on the bustle…
I think people are remembering Jezebel, where Bette Davis wears a scarlet dress to a dance and Henry Fonda publicly humiliates her by forcing her to dance on the empty dance floor in front of the shocked crowd.
(Nick’s Flick Picks has an interesting analysis of the movie here.)
You know who else wore red dresses? HITLER.
Thanks, bekabot. I read all the comments to see if someone would mention the that in the book, at the infamous post-Ashley-hug party scene, Scarlett wears GREEN. As Amanda points, out, because Rhett made her do so. But still. GREEN, which on the color wheel is the opposite of red, morons. Why flaunt your ignorance, Ms. Stanek?
Knowing how the wingnut mind works, I think someone has a lesbian crush on Amanda.
Red is a big part of my wardrobe, and I accessorize with red lipstick and red toenails. I have red sheets, and leopard-pattern sheets, and black sheets. Even the computer I’m using right now is red.
Also, I like apples and cherries. So apparently there is no hope for me.
Gotta go with the pop psychologist on this one. File under “the things that bubble up from a repressed psyche”.
Remember Italian Ice, Jeff?
Of course.
I’m still mourning ManRay in Central Sqayah….well, at least Thursday nights there…talk about harlotry! Ah, the days when it was still possible to get laid at a bar. Good times.
Damn, I have the red blender, the red sheets AND a chic red crochet handbag. And HOLY SHIT! I’m wearing a red shirt from UT Madrigal Dinner! Where, oh where did I go wrong?
Maybe they don’t like women wearing red for the same reason advertisers love to put it on packaging - it draws attention.
I don’t think I own a single red thing. My entire apartment, and almost all of my wardrobe, is blue/green/purple/silver. Except for some wood things, which are brown. I plan to fix that someday, when I have the time. Still, I guess I can’t be a real harlot.
Still, speaking of the connotation of red clothes, this Discworld quote seemed appropriate:
“But you know what they say about women who wear red boots”
“Just so long as they also say they’ve got dry feet,” said Nanny cheerfully.
“Revere hair? Like in prayer?
Nope, town on the North Shore. ”
This made me LMAO. I grew up in Saugus. I dated Reveah boys when I was a teenager. I never mastered the Reveah girl hair though. Not enough Aqua Net in the world to get my hair to do that.
I grew up in a very *red* house…my mother loved it and every room was decorated in red….lots of eagles and maple and colonial stuff. I hate the color. I dont wear it because it makes me look like death warmed over. But I also don’t like it in my environment….the energy is too jumpy or something.
“Revere hair? Like in prayer?
Nope, town on the North Shore. ”
This made me LMAO. I grew up in Saugus. I dated Reveah boys when I was a teenager. I never mastered the Reveah girl hair though. Not enough Aqua Net in the world to get my hair to do that.
I grew up in a very *red* house…my mother loved it and every room was decorated in red….lots of eagles and maple and colonial stuff. I hate the color. I dont wear it because it makes me look like death warmed over. But I also don’t like it in my environment….the energy is too jumpy or something.
Knowing how the wingnut mind works, I think someone has a lesbian crush on Amanda.
My pussy-eating skills, tarnished by years of straightness, suck.
I still don’t understand what’s this red business is about. The price of red dye is similar as any other color to make. So accessibility is a function of designer/brand. Contrast to ancient time (where the term comes from)
1. rare dye (purple red, indigo) are only affordable by the upper class.
2. Colored (yellow) silk was and still is some of the most expensive and exotic garment.
not many people can afford these before synthetic dye. Unmarried woman couldn’t possibly afford them without somebody else paying for it. Classical literature is littered with women who wear dresses not of her class and almost always hinting material exchange for sexual favor.
So there was a point calling/marking woman by hinting the color/print of clothing.
but now? I don’t get it… It’s Dubya’s credit card economy. Charge that versace silk print leopard on it, baby. And let’s have a night out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_purple#Shades_of_Tyrian_purple_colour_comparison_chart
… the Tyrian hue … is considered of the best quality when it has exactly the colour of clotted blood, and is of a blackish hue to the sight, but of a shining appearance when held up to the light; hence it is that we find Homer speaking of “purple blood.”
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about red-scarlet. Let’s just say the south turn of 19th century wasn’t exactly center of world commerce and fashion. Referencing that story is pretty weak, imo. It requires every participants to know that relatively obscure story. Which in the end tells more about the name caller reading background than actual name calling skill.
I still don’t understand what’s this red business is about.
“No Mr. Green. Communism was just a red herring.”
But seriously, it’s all about the blood all over Amanda’s hands because she’s pro-choice.
Seriously. This is how the moronic brain operates.
Count me in as one of the many women coveting that dress right now.
Red is my favourite colour, I wear it more often than any other (unless you count blue, since I wear blue jeans almost every day– but that’s sort of neutral).
I wonder if the real issue with red is self confidence.
Seriously, all sorts of shit girls are given about dressing modestly, blending in, “appropriate” attire, is more or less training girls to be insecure and not want to be looked at. Which then makes them easy to control, with the threat of embarrassment.
At the other end of the age spectrum, we have the red hat society, who attire themselves on the basis of a poem about dressing how you want when you are too old to care about the opinions of others. Purple– the color of power– with red as a deliberately clashing attention-getter.
If you wear red, you are advertising only that you are not afraid of attention. Which implies you cannot be easily shamed into silence and compliance, either. It is *this* type of shamelessness upsetting– and causing envy?– among Amanda’s detractors.
“JEZEBEL”: the impact of dress color in that scene must have been severely diminished by the fact that it was shot in glorious black and white.
“GWTW”– I wondered what people were talking about, as I clearly remembered the green curtain-dress. I had forgotten about the deathbed scene. IIRC, that dress clung like spray paint.
And several of my gal-pals have already manifested LUST over the pictured frock, which I forwarded to them. Go, Oscar d’!
This isn’t quite as good as when Ann Althouse thought that “Feministing” was a portmanteau of “feminist” and “fisting,” but it’s not bad as a runner-up. Someone give Jill Stanek a consolation ribbon.
In Ireland, we actually have pregnancy counselling agencies that tell people the lies you see in that website as if they were fact (you have more chance to abuse children, you’ll have greater cancer risk, you’ll suffer from mental illness, etc etc etc). Of course, these aren’t regulated (read: shut down) so they are free to spread their lies, with all the wonderful money they get from rich businessmen who are also Catholic fanatics (with links to the local neo-nazis might I add!).
So yeah, how about those anti-choicer clowns huh? What a bunch of clowns.
If I dye my hair a very-unnatural burgundy red, am I a permanent harlot?
She also believes the Chinese eat fetuses. I’m not kidding.
No, Amanda, correction: I was thinking of blood.
No, Amanda, correction: I was thinking of blood.
So I stood up at my desk and glanced around the office. And saw four women in red (five if you count magenta). Thank you for reminding me I work in such an exciting environment; I’d quite forgotten.
Mm, I love red clothes. They’re great for my skin color and they make me feel like a superhero. I’ve also moved into hot eye-stabbingly neon pink. It’s a good feeling. I fought colors for a long time, being a bigger woman, but finally I’m relishing them.
Go, you and your red !
I noticed, via “The Daily Show with Jon Stuart” that on the same night the Hillary wore red, so did the First Lady but yet somehow her character was not questioned, I wonder why?
So women in red are whores, what about men who wear red ties are they pimps?
In her bio she claims that the terrible event was witnessing what she called a “live birth abortion,” which means an early induction. These are generally wanted pregnancies that are terminated due to severe birth defects or maternal health problems. Labor is induced early to preserve the mothers help. The child may live for a few hours, but dies shortly thereafter.
Disturbing as this may be, I doubt this was the cause of Stanek’s issues. She has serious problems dealing with death and with sex. My guess is that these subjects were taboo in her household and probably presented with a great deal of fear.
“You know who else wore red dresses? HITLER.”
…and so did J. Edgar Hoover. That’s because (according to historian emeritus J*nah G*ldberg) they were both radical libruls…
January 30, 2008 at 6:57 pm
I reminded her that the Nazis were actually in full agreement with her about abortion and birth control. I’m sure that went over well. Not sure, since she didn’t let it post.
Now Amanda, can’t you even tell the truth about this?
Not only did your post stay up, but I personally responded to it…shame on you.
As to the “Red” allusion…She meant that red is the color of the blood spilled by the millions of children that you have supported killing. Harlotry never even entered into it. Guilty conscience? Project much?
Now Amanda, Can’t you even tell the truth about this? Not only did your post stay up, but I personally commented on it…and as for the “RED” allusion? Jill was comparing the color red to the blood of the millions of babies you supported killing. Harlotry never entered into it. Guilty conscience? Project much?
That dress is so fetch!
Uh, meanwhile, doesn’t Laura Bush wear red? Because it, you know, doesn’t freaking matter?
Oh Maureen Dowd. Apparently, she missed the part where it said “We’ve detected one or more older versions of Newsbot software on your system. You will have to uninstall these before proceeding to install Newsbot 2000.”
[Uninstall Now] [Cancel]
I don’t own much red but my wife and I both wear an awful lot of black. Wonder what she’d have to say about that?
Revere hair? Like in prayer?
Nope, town on the North Shore.
Ah, Reveah. Big hair, Camaros driven by bottle-blonds named Donna. Wicked pissah. The Commonwealth’s own little slice of New Jersey.
Nah, Lauren- the “extra” scandal comes from if Chef wears the dress and you the shirt…
And hey, what about all of them-thar “RED States”???
As for Scarlett O’Hara, no one spoofed her better than Carol Burnett (paraphrase):
Ratt (Harvey Korman): What is that you’re wearing, Starlett?
Starlett (Burnett): Oh, I just saw it in the window and had to have it.
Wow! You really didn’t allow me to post? That is amazing! Sad, but amazing. By the way, here is your post, up on Jills, right where you left it…
You do realize that the Nazis agreed with you about abortion and birth control, right?
Posted by: Amanda Marcotte at January 30, 2008 5:35 PM
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/01/amanda_preaches.html#comments
I have been reading about you for months now, and was shocked to find out you were so young and beautiful…It makes me sad. So very, very sad….
You were in moderation, weirdo. And while I hit “post”, I didn’t see it go up. I’ll admit that I didn’t look too hard in the waves of crazy that are the comments there. You guys literally have no idea how fucked up you come across to sane people. Like Jill here, saying she was thinking of blood. Do you know how weird that sounds to people whose minds aren’t completely warped by religion? To a normal person, that sounds like Jill Stanek has managed to confuse the sins of being female, not hating yourself for it, and murder. It doesn’t convince me that she’s not freaking out because of my harlot-colored red sweater. It makes it seem all the more insane. She needs help, not religion.
Yeah, bummer that you’re young and beautiful Amanda. Kind of hoped you were an old hag.
WTF?
You know who else wore red dresses? HITLER.
WIN! for emjaybee.
Jill Stanek also believes that “pro-aborts” are part of the “homosexual agenda” because they all want “sex without consequences”.
Oh yeah. If a woman gets HPV, it’s because she deserved it either because she’s a slut or the woman couldn’t keep her husband from not cheating on her.
Harlotry never entered into it.
There’s nothing about being anti-choice that isn’t about punishing the harlots, so you are grossly incorrect.
A couple posts below the “Red! Harlot! Blood! I’m fucking crazy!” post, she had a post where she was putting up pictures of women going into an abortion clinic. They were all later in their pregnancies, too, which means that she was getting off on shaming women who, by and large, were getting medically necessary abortions.
Yeah, bummer that you’re young and beautiful Amanda. Kind of hoped you were an old hag.
At least then she wouldn’t be wasting the country’s most valuable resource! TEH BABIEEEZ could be issuing from her young and fertile womb in a steady stream AS WE SPEAK! Beautiful white christian babies tumbling out of her vaj end over end! CAN’T YOU JUST SEE IT???
Amanda,
I was very respectful when I came here. What’s with the name calling? Why don’t you come over to jill’s and actually “discuss” things. We have rules over there. Everything gets posted without being checked first, no one uses foul language, and you can attack an idea but please don’t attack the person. It’s all very mature and civil. We’d love to have you. And any of your friends that you care to bring along.
Abortion is a serious issue. At Jill’s people that are prochoice as well as pro life are able to converse without falling into the habit of attacking each other. It’s really quite refreshing.
Honestly, there is no need for so much anger. We are all over 21, know the English language and so much more can be accomplished if we sit and talk.
Thank you for allowing me to speak my piece.
Wierdo. (MK)
You can’t handle being called “weirdo”? Do you need to loosen your corset, lest you develop the vapors? Oh the trials and tribulations of being a real, feminine woman in these wicked times!
Scarlett’s party dress went from the book’s green to the movie’s red on David Selznick’s order, and for the reason you’d expect: he wanted to play up the harlot-y colour association, i.e. the “scarlet” woman. And I know this because I am a repository of GWTW trivia.
I wore a brilliant red dress to the only high school prom I attended. I sometimes show my bosom before three o’clock as well. Can I be a scarlet woman, too?
Thank you for allowing me to speak my piece.
You can just hear the suffering martyrdom. Like Joan of Arc, she is! Defender of the adorable pink-cheeked babies from the hordes of rapacious young women whose vile, vile vaginas leak the crimson stain of their wicked dalliances! Their sinful breasts heaving with unchristian lust!
Um,
Amanda,
Those women in the picture (haven’t you graduated to actually reading the material…still looking at the pictures?) are going into George Tillers clinic. He has been accused of NOT doing late term abortions for medically necessary reasons…that was the point of the post.
Which you’d know if you’d read it. The whole point was that he is being accused of performing late term abortions illegally. There are people on our site that have a hard time believing that anyone is getting abortions this late in their pregnancies and the pictures were put up to show that indeed they were.
Why are you so angry all the time? Isn’t there some way that you could respond without being nasty?
“At Jill’s people that are prochoice as well as pro life are able to converse without falling into the habit of attacking each other. It’s really quite refreshing.”
I’m sensing “Jill’s” must be a “Republican Compromise” kind of joint: You’re free to say whatever you want as long as you acknowledge we’re right and you’re wrong. And if you use one of those gutter words, we’ll just have to keep you away from the nice Stepford People who are having a refreshing discussion - about how “pro-life” is the only acceptable position…
I bet it’s really stimulating over there…
Mk,
The part you’re missing here is that nobody is interested in what you’re saying. People only pay attention to you for the express purpose of mocking you.
Why would anybody go to Jill Stanek’s web page to listen to a word you say. Your history of lying, making shit up, being completely disconnected from reality and that’s just in addition to hating women and queer folks?
Oh, you mean this:
On Friday, November 3, 2006, Bill O’Reilly featured an exclusive segment on his show, The O’Reilly Factor, saying that he has an “inside source” with official clinic documentation indicating that George Tiller performs late-term abortions to alleviate “temporary depression” in the pregnant woman.[10] According to reporting data provided to the Kansas Board of Healing Arts for the year 1998, all of the post-viable “partial-birth” abortion procedures performed in Kansas during that year were performed because “the attending physician believe[d] that continuing the pregnancy [would] constitute a substantial and irreversible impairment of the patient’s mental function.”[11] Tiller responded to O’Reilly’s statements by demanding an investigation into the “inside source” through which the information was leaked, suggesting that Phill Kline, then the Kansas Attorney General, was responsible. Kline denied the charge.
Five seconds with Wikipedia. Isn’t there some way you could respond without being incredibly ignorant?
“Why are you so angry all the time? Isn’t there some way that you could respond without being nasty?”
Yeah, Ofmarc, why ARE you angry all the time? All us Jillbots are trying to do is make sure you fulfill your genetic destiny…
So in other words no, she posted pictures of women aborting wanted babies with horrible health problems that wouldn’t have survived birth. Btw, Dr. Tiller’s clinic is one of the few to offer funeral services for the grieving mother.
You guys really are heartless, ignorant and cruel.
Not really. I’m a republican and I consider Stanek and the rest of her Illinois fucktards to be repulsive.
Okay,
Well, I gave it a shot. I’ve posted here a number of times this morning and have not received on serious response…meet you at Jill’s if you feel like actually “talking”…
Short version:
The data provided was from 1998. The program was in 2006. No charges were ever filed, no investigation ever turned up anything.
Here’s your serious response:
What evidence do you have against George Tiller other than unsubstantiated allegations from eight years ago that lead you to believe it’s ok to post pictures of women going in for late term abortions and condemn them when you know absolutely jack about their situations? Are you incapable of pity or empathy?
Ah, the irony that the whole “ZOMG! LADY IN RED!” freak out comes right around “National Wear Red Day”, heavily promoted by none other than that evil, anti-American icon Macy’s.
And as for the “red clothing = blood” thing, that’s such a common symbol in Western culture. You see it in the Scarlet Letter–wait, no…the term “scarlet women”…uh…”red light district…no, that’s not it…er…
Of course! the Redcoats! er…wait…never mind.
Support cultural literacy, because a meme is a terrible to waste.
Anti-choicers are universally freaks.
Stanek’s a freak, mk’s a freak, the whole damn bunch: freaks.
I have been reading about you for months now, and was shocked to find out you were so young and beautiful…It makes me sad. So very, very sad….
Now you just sound like a creepy stalker, MK.
What does “Ofmarc” mean? Google gives no clues. Is this some kind of anti-abortion slang?
Well, I gave it a shot. I’ve posted here a number of times this morning and have not received on serious response…meet you at Jill’s if you feel like actually “talking”…
What, you mean you can’t recognize your own creepy hatred turned back against you?
What does “Ofmarc” mean?
Not sure who Marc is, but I assume it’s a reference to “The Handmaid’s Tale.”
“What does “Ofmarc” mean?”
Reference to The Handmaid’s Tale, which eerily, and scarily predicts an all too possible future for America.
Fertile women who were not wives were given to powerful men to act as birth vessels. As such they did not have their own name, they belonged to the man, hence a name like Offred, literally “Of Fred”.
Marc is Amanda’s BF…
…and all “handmaids” were required to wear red, signifying their (low) place in the society of Gilead…
I tend to look better in black, blue, and some shades of green (probably my favorite non-blue color).
I do like red on some people, and I know several women who would look fantastic in that dress. If it’s from the 1980s, well, so be it. Some things just look good.
I was very respectful when I came here. What’s with the name calling?
You want to force me to have one baby after another to punish me for just general female evilness. That’s not respect. I do believe that’s hatred.
Those women in the picture (haven’t you graduated to actually reading the material…still looking at the pictures?) are going into George Tillers clinic. He has been accused of NOT doing late term abortions for medically necessary reasons…
And I accuse you of having purple skin. Doesn’t make it true.
Face it. You guys got off on looking at those pictures of women who are, by and large, very sad about what they have to do and also physically ill. It’s fucking sick and perverse. You. Need. Help.
Are you incapable of pity or empathy?
I would say yes. I’d love to bet money that some of the readers at Jill’s place were rubbing one out while looking at those pictures, but I’m fairly certain no one would bet against me.
Weirdo (your nic is in defiance of the usual “i before e” rule):
I may be speaking to the door here, since presumably you’ve already flounced, but here goes anyway. You might have better luck soliciting “serious” answers from the posters here if you’d lose the treacly, condescending tone that permeates your every comment. That pious, pursed-lipped air of faux concern over Amanda’s “anger” does nothing but provoke.
Oh, wait. That’s what you wanted, wasn’t it?
Yeah, it’s not actually provoking. It’s such obvious bait. The more he holds out the bait about me being “angry”, the more I find myself sort of amused. And then I feel guilty for laughing at the freaks, because I seriously think they’re troubled. It’s a shame to see so many people consumed by this strange anti-choice perversion.
my living room is red. i hope that counts for something!
I keep wondering how long it’ll be before their “anti-choice perversion” percolates into full-blown “shoot up the elementary school to kill all the baby sluts” madness.
I’ll be surprised if they can hold out ’til after the election, but once Election Day is over, Jill and her stooges are gonna start acting like cultists in a Lovecraft story…
You think it’s a he? I dunno, I assumed it was a “good woman” who can ignore her own howling self-hatred if she holds herself up as better than the rest of us common guttersluts.
And then I feel guilty for laughing at the freaks, because I seriously think they’re troubled.
Don’t. They’re not mentally ill in a way that makes them not responsible for their actions. They’re just incredibly, breathtakingly self-absorbed and desperate to find reasons to think themselves superior to other people. It’s pitiable from a distance, but up close pity only gets in the way of realizing how dangerous they are.
Gosh, Amanda, you’d be so pretty if you’d just smile!
And shut up.
And get pregnant.
What, don’t you want all the boys to like you?
(What’s with responding to women who argue with comments about their looks? I’ve been annoyed by that for nearly 30 years, and I still don’t “get” the point.)
Long thread, I know, but I just ran across these Fundie Pickup Lines:
You look like the whore of Babylon—and I mean that in a good way.
Amanda, how do you feel about a viable fetus with Down’s Syndrome being aborted? Just curious, because that’s one of the reasons Tiller performs post-viability abortions.
Knowing how the wingnut mind works, I think someone has a lesbian crush on Amanda.
My pussy-eating skills, tarnished by years of straightness, suck.
Amanda, don’t be afraid. It’s like riding a bike, it will come back to you in no time.
manda Marcotte
January 30, 2008 at 10:48 pm
In the movie, Scarlett wears a red dress to Melanie’s death bed under the command of Rhett, who wants to humiliate her for her faithless heart. So really, it has nothing to do with women’s own desires. It’s about shaming Scarlett for her sexual proclivities.
Amanda, if your going to quote “Gone With the Wind”, please get it correct.
Rhett forced Scarlet to wear the infamous red dress to Ashlie’s birthday party that Melanie was throwing. He did that to humiliate her in front of their friends. People thought that Scarlet and Ashlie were having an afair.
In the scene where Scarlet goes to Melanie’s death bed, she is wearing a black dress.
I assumed it was a he, because the comment about my looks. Most variations on that theme come from men, mostly because they’re trying to reassure themselves and everyone else that they’re Real Men. Feministing had a variation on the theme. They found this post by an anti-choice dude who put up a bunch of pictures of teenage anti-choice women and pro-choice women of all ages and tried to use that to “argue” that anti-choicers were hotter. It was really creepy, especially the uniform teenage-ness of the girls he found acceptable for impregnating. (Since, you know, you shouldn’t do it unless you’re making a baby.)
Heh, midnight. As you can see, I haven’t seen the movie in more than 10 years. Nor do I really care to. The racism puts my teeth on edge.
Mom, I think it’s best if children with Down’s are only born to parents who are up for the job of raising those children. If someone really feels like she can’t do it, I believe her.
Hey this is just like fourth grade. Name calling and gross out pictures!
I can win this, really. Nevermind comparative literature, deconstructing ideology or iconography. It’s GOATSE.CX time!
Plus what’s the use having friends in art school sending tons of gut wrenching weird art.
Amanda said:
Mom, I think it’s best if children with Down’s are only born to parents who are up for the job of raising those children. If someone really feels like she can’t do it, I believe her.
Hear, hear. And I would add, if someone feels as though she is not up to the task of raising a child for whatever reason, she is the person to best asses her situation and make a realistic choice for her own sake as well as that of her potential child.
Amanda:
I was merely pointing out that you got the two scenes mixed up.
And just so you know, MK is not a bad person. I am pro-choice, and I am on Jill’s site quite frequently.
Posting pictures of women who may or may not have had abortions is despicable, But Jill really hit bottom last month.
A Spanish reporter posing as a medical professional secretly taped footage of a woman having an abortion.
Jill posted the stolen footage of the women’s splayed crotch - not to mention her face (we must out those babykilling whores!)
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/12/asi_se_aborta_e.html#comments
If that wasn’t enough to satisfy her readers masturbatory fantasies, she also posted “crush porn” photos of a woman killing a puppy by stomping it under a high heel:
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/01/post_57.html
Sorry, anyone who pulls the clucking, “And you’d be so fuckable if you were submissive” routine in an attempt to shame me and bait me is not “not a bad person” in my book. Sorry. He might have redeemable qualities, but there’s a fundamental lack of respect for women that underlines the immediate need to throw out that bait.
Beast, I’ll take your word. I can’t click over and see that. Yuck.
STFU and blow, MomofSpecialOlympicsAthlete.
My daughter is also a SOA and while I have met really great parents/caregivers/teachers at the events, I have also met sanctimonious fucks like you. Guess what? YOUR CHILD’S DISABILITIES ARE NOT ABOUT YOU!!!
YOU are not a better person because YOU are the mother of a disabled child; YOU ARE A MOM. THAT’S ALL. YOUR CHILD IS JUST THAT- A CHILD.
You are not any better than anyone else, here or anywhere else. Get over yourself.
Late to the party, again!
Oh, they are SO back. My husband took me to Wicked last night so I had to go to the mall and find something not “mommy” to wear. (Got a great deal at Carsons!) I passed Express on the way in, and the window was full of leggings with tube tops and long t-shirts/short dresses. Black leggings. Bright yellow and pink. Some white.
It looked like it did back when it was “Limited Express”, i.e., when it opened.
I didn’t go in, but when I tried on a jacket elsewhere, it had shoulder pads!
I’ve noticed hair and makeup ads looking all 80-ish for a while now. Christian on “Project Runway” kills me b/c he’s so in love with the 80s.
Yeah, I like the dress. A lot. The 80s were good. OK, the shoulder pads got a little out of control at the end, and yeah, the hair got crazy, too, but they had just invented mousse and we were still learning how to work with “product”. The 80s were a hell of a lot more attractive than the 70s, which have been retro-forced on us since the 90s.
I assumed it was a he, because the comment about my looks.
Ah. I read it more as the tsk-tsking of a middle aged woman, if you see what I mean. “What a terrible waste” and all that. More to shame you on not fulfilling your role than to imply that if you were more submissive, you just might attain the cherished status of a worthy vessel. Tho’ I probably just assumed it was female because mk’s posts so far aren’t condescending enough for a typical anti-choice male.
As for Down’s syndrome babies? I don’t think most people were signing up for a child they’d have to take care of the rest of their lives when they got pregnant. I do med mal cases with people whose doctors’ incompetence gave their children brain damage, and the shit they have to go through is unbelievable, in order to provide a pretty questionably fulfilling life for the poor kid. Yeah, I think it ought to be the parents decision.
Amanda, I’m sorry. This is your site and I respect that. I usually try to just be silly and friendly- but I’m so mad I’m shaking right now.
It’s HARD to raise a disabled child- but it’s hard to raise an NON-DISABLED child. If I EVER had a waiver or feelings of ambivalance regarding my pro-choice stance, it’s GONE.
Mom of Special Olympian
My brother also has DS and is a Special Olympian.
Personally, I find it sad that people with Down Syndrome are being killed off. 80-90% of all DS fetii are aborted.
I like the idea of parents of handicapped children offering to talk to pregnant women and explain the realities of life with a retarded person. I think if there was more knowledge, there were be fewer abortions for DS alone.
THAT SAID–
Under no condition do I think a woman should be forced to carry a baby to term under any circumstance. Pregnancy is hard and should only be attempted by the willing.
And when I say I like the DS parent support groups, it’s only if it’s offered as a true choice, not as a hoop to jump through to get an abortion.
I don’t think DS is generally such a horrible thing, but I don’t know what anyone else can handle. I adore my brother and believe I’m a better person for having him in my life, but that’s me and my experience.
My mom has never wanted me to feel like I have to take care of my brother, though I always willingly accepted the responsibility. He has a friend whose parents had another child purposely to take care of him. Different people, different choices.
Forcing anyone to continue a pregnancy is just wrong. And no one deserves to know *why* a woman is having an abortion unless she feels like sharing her reasons. It’s a private medical procedure protected by HIPPA. Women shouldn’t have to wear scarlet “21″s in penance for not wanting to or not being able to handle a special needs child.
It’s cool, louise. You have a right to be mad. I mean, she’s exploiting her own child’s disability in service of slut-shaming. It’s despicable. Dr. Tiller has been shot, and his clinic has been firebombed. He and his staff are under constant danger. But they get up and go to work every day because they believe in helping people. The clinic offers top-notch service, all sorts of grief counseling and support groups so women who have to get late term abortions don’t feel they’re the only ones. They don’t deserve this hatred.
Plus, from a purely utilitarian perspective, letting someone have an abortion because the parents can’t handle it beats having the kid and then going nuts and killing them when you can’t handle the pressure, or giving him/her up to the state for a life of being shuttled around institutions and frequently abusive foster homes.
When abortion was illegal? Then people really DID kill babies. Dead embryos or dead infants? Take yer pick, but the fantasy of having neither is just that, a fantasy. And a massively dangerous one to lots and lots of people at that.
A few months back I was reading something on Feministing about Dr. Tiller and the latest attacks on his clinic, and I was shaking with anger, so I mailed him a little bit of money with a nice card, thanking him and his staff for the work they do.
He sent me a card, thanking me for brightening his day and letting me know that the money would go towards fixing a window someone had smashed.
I can’t imagine. He’s a saint.
Thanks for answering my question Amanda and Caren. I didn’t see this in your responses, so if you could, how do you feel about abortion on a possibly viable fetus with Down’s Syndrome? Not all the reasons that Tiller aborts late-term are for fatal fetal abnormalities. If you feel you have already addressed this in your previous responses, then I apologize.
Over at Jill’s they claim that women who abort are more likely to be child abusers. Even if that WERE true, isn’t it better that they abort rather than bring more children into the world, just to be abused?
They said it should be the parents decision whether they could handle it, and don’t want to judge people who decided they couldn’t, Mom. It was pretty damn clear.
MomofSpecialOlympicsAthlete - I think it’s safe to say that most of the people here believe women should be able to abort possibly viable fetuses for ANY reason. Though you’d be hard pressed to find one who’s doing it because she needs to fit into her prom dress.
ok, thanks SarahMC and UIP.
MOSOA
I thought I made it clear, but here goes again: Personally, I don’t think DS is enough of a reason to abort. And I thought about it and was relieved that all 3 of my kids didn’t have it so I didn’t have to make such a decision.
The fact that I acknowledged the option during my pregnancies doesn’t diminish my brother’s worth at all. It’s a reflection on me and my current family situation and obligations.
I wish more people had more information available and that DS didn’t frighten people so much. I think the abortion rate would go down if more people were more informed. But it wouldn’t stop people from aborting DS fetii. And DS can come with a whole rash of health issues my brother avoided such as heart and esophagal problems. That should factor in.
With my first child, we were worried about Edward’s Syndrome, which generally causes fetal death or death by the 1st year. Everyone at my OB’s office worked quickly to get me the secondary tests, and no one mentioned abortion, but I knew that they were trying to get the results in time to give me the option. He didn’t have it, and I wouldn’t have aborted if he had, though I can understand why another woman in another situation would. To me, however long he lived, that’s his life. To another, the thought of carrying a child that won’t live might be too much, and they could choose to terminate and try again.
If I knew someone who aborted for DS, I would probably think less of her. But I think less of people when I find out they are Republicans or donate to PETA. I’m still friends with them.
People make different choices, and when it comes to bodily autonomy, I have to side with the woman, even if her choice is not the one I would make.
Off topic: hearing stories likes Caren’s makes me even happier I got myself sterilized. I would never, ever, want to be in that situation. Some people just can’t deal with it. I’m totally one of them.
Caren, I agree that there needs to be more info on Down’s Syndrome made available to the general public.The unknown is where alot of the fear comes from,imo. Thanks for your thoughtful response. I got involved in the prolife movement out of concern about this very issue. Now that my prolifism has been revealed, I think I’ll exit while things are still civil. lol
Mom, it seems like you’re just trying to paint some women as horrible baby-killers who do it for the hell of it, whether intentionally or unintentionally. If a woman is having an abortion that far along she generally has a reason for it. Maybe after a long time of debating she realises she won’t be able to provide the child with everything a born baby deserves. Maybe adoption isn’t the way to go in her eyes because of all the horror stories we hear about it. Regardless, it’s not our place to tell a woman in that situation what she can or can’t do. Circumstances don’t magically change because the child-to-be is disabled in some way. Some women will choose to have such a child, others won’t. It kinda irks me though that a former classmate of mine is anti-choice only because while her mother was pregnant there was a ch