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		<title>by: Lawrence Krubner</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-486657</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Right now I'm reading a blog, which means I'm not reading a book. But I'm still reading something interesting and thoughtful. Without question, blogs have caused me to read less books. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Right now I&#8217;m reading a blog, which means I&#8217;m not reading a book. But I&#8217;m still reading something interesting and thoughtful. Without question, blogs have caused me to read less books.
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		<title>by: Sara Cole</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-486646</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for pointing out that reading can be a middle-class privilege. I've been an avid reader all my life. I read all I could get from the library and books from rummage sales until about 8th grade. By tenth grade I had my first job to basically start helping my Mom and Dad by supporting myself, (I was the oldest in a big family.) I bought all my clothes, but also started paying for things like my own (extremely necessary) eyewear, and some of my own medical care by 16. I also spent any spare I had buying 'presents' for my younger siblings-- i.e. helping out with clothing and feeding us.  

I was a top student in high school and college and by college had three jobs to stay in a state school.   Throughout that seven years of HS/college, I almost never read a book outside of school.  When I graduated college, I spent years reading for pleasure again.  

What I'm saying is that during all the time I was in school I would have had to answer 'no, I don't read anything outside of school assignments,' but I was actually CONSTANTLY reading and making enormous advances in my own literacy.  So I think that cutting out assigned reading at work or school is to distort the reality of 'who is reading' for an alarmist statement that only actually reflects who has time to read voluntarily.

Many people who would love to be spending time reading are working themselves to death most of the time, especially if they are poor.  Plenty of middle-class people don't have the time either.

I appreciate all your points about reading not being superior to other entertainment/media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for pointing out that reading can be a middle-class privilege. I&#8217;ve been an avid reader all my life. I read all I could get from the library and books from rummage sales until about 8th grade. By tenth grade I had my first job to basically start helping my Mom and Dad by supporting myself, (I was the oldest in a big family.) I bought all my clothes, but also started paying for things like my own (extremely necessary) eyewear, and some of my own medical care by 16. I also spent any spare I had buying &#8216;presents&#8217; for my younger siblings&#8211; i.e. helping out with clothing and feeding us.  </p>
	<p>I was a top student in high school and college and by college had three jobs to stay in a state school.   Throughout that seven years of HS/college, I almost never read a book outside of school.  When I graduated college, I spent years reading for pleasure again.  </p>
	<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that during all the time I was in school I would have had to answer &#8216;no, I don&#8217;t read anything outside of school assignments,&#8217; but I was actually CONSTANTLY reading and making enormous advances in my own literacy.  So I think that cutting out assigned reading at work or school is to distort the reality of &#8216;who is reading&#8217; for an alarmist statement that only actually reflects who has time to read voluntarily.</p>
	<p>Many people who would love to be spending time reading are working themselves to death most of the time, especially if they are poor.  Plenty of middle-class people don&#8217;t have the time either.</p>
	<p>I appreciate all your points about reading not being superior to other entertainment/media.
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		<title>by: junk science</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-486054</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;A guy calling himself “Libertarian” says some nice things about libraries?&lt;/i&gt;

Sure he does. They let him learn about &quot;the black experience&quot; so he can be all cultured and enlightened, and they let him feel superior (though he doesn't, of course) to the &quot;dumb&quot; people who are &quot;losing out&quot; by not reading. And if he had a choice, he'd get rid of libraries and make it even harder for the &quot;dumb&quot; to get access to books, so he could continue to not feel superior to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>A guy calling himself “Libertarian” says some nice things about libraries?</i></p>
	<p>Sure he does. They let him learn about &#8220;the black experience&#8221; so he can be all cultured and enlightened, and they let him feel superior (though he doesn&#8217;t, of course) to the &#8220;dumb&#8221; people who are &#8220;losing out&#8221; by not reading. And if he had a choice, he&#8217;d get rid of libraries and make it even harder for the &#8220;dumb&#8221; to get access to books, so he could continue to not feel superior to them.
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		<title>by: Pinky</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-485784</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, that Google 'e-book'? Nah. Google is the work of the devil... Can't stand Google.

'Get money for nothing, and your chicks for free'?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, that Google &#8216;e-book&#8217;? Nah. Google is the work of the devil&#8230; Can&#8217;t stand Google.</p>
	<p>&#8216;Get money for nothing, and your chicks for free&#8217;?
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		<title>by: Pinky</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-485782</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I grew up in a house with no books except for the phone book.

Now my office is nearing critical mass and may implode at any moment. I hate to throw them away.

Some I will treasure for ever.

I have the original Tolkien Fellowship of the Rings that I got off a friend of mine in high school after his fundie minister father blew a gasket about it when he found it in his room. I don't remember how I got it but I devoured it and loved every morsel.

I've got several first editions and a signed HHGTTG!

Books are so cool. I feel like Capt. Pickard on the Enterprise. Although I do have techno lust over that new Sony 'e-book' (even though I know that Sony treats their customers worse than dirt with bugs, root kits and obnoxious software).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I grew up in a house with no books except for the phone book.</p>
	<p>Now my office is nearing critical mass and may implode at any moment. I hate to throw them away.</p>
	<p>Some I will treasure for ever.</p>
	<p>I have the original Tolkien Fellowship of the Rings that I got off a friend of mine in high school after his fundie minister father blew a gasket about it when he found it in his room. I don&#8217;t remember how I got it but I devoured it and loved every morsel.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve got several first editions and a signed HHGTTG!</p>
	<p>Books are so cool. I feel like Capt. Pickard on the Enterprise. Although I do have techno lust over that new Sony &#8216;e-book&#8217; (even though I know that Sony treats their customers worse than dirt with bugs, root kits and obnoxious software).
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		<title>by: indefinitelee</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-485715</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>ok well im sure i fall into the not reading category. I read about 30 books for school, but they don't count. 

harumph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>ok well im sure i fall into the not reading category. I read about 30 books for school, but they don&#8217;t count. </p>
	<p>harumph.
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		<title>by: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-485604</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;What’s the difference between a file-sharing network and a public library?&lt;/i&gt;

You mean apart from the fact that very very few people have a scriptorium sitting on their desktop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What’s the difference between a file-sharing network and a public library?</i></p>
	<p>You mean apart from the fact that very very few people have a scriptorium sitting on their desktop?
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		<title>by: Doug S.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-485594</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[threadjack]
&lt;blockquote&gt;I was having a conversation recently about how if libraries were a new thing, people would think they were a great idea. But as it is, I think a lot of people forget about them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If libraries were invented today, copyright owners would be furious. 

What's the difference between a file-sharing network and a public library?
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	<blockquote><p>I was having a conversation recently about how if libraries were a new thing, people would think they were a great idea. But as it is, I think a lot of people forget about them.</p></blockquote>
	<p>If libraries were invented today, copyright owners would be furious. </p>
	<p>What&#8217;s the difference between a file-sharing network and a public library?<br />
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		<title>by: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-485576</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Apologies to those who may have mentioned this already, but: libraries are fantastic. I have fantasized about working in one for several years, just to be surrounded by the DDS, books, and the sounds of knowledge seeping out of musty pages all day long. And, yes, they are free and many of them do have an online catalogue which is readily available  to renew or request media, which is a huge bonus to those of us to have internet access. 

However - and this is a big however - if one lives in my town (St. Louis county/ city) and lives in an area that is generally regarded in layman's terms as &quot;dangerous,&quot; &quot;sketchy,&quot; or any other synonyms that are euphemisms for &quot;black people exist there&quot; (St. Louis is incredibly segregated), libraries are a rare find. Public transport in this city is in a disparaging state and the public schools are essentially designed to weed out undesireables - to avert them from scholarly aspirations or anything that might elevate their levels of cognization, conciousness, and an overall sense of awareness. Then there is the problem of factors that encourage behaviors that result in having children at too young an age and the process of the underclass begins all over again; I believe strongly that I am not the only one who has noticed this (obviously; I probably don't even need to go on this diatribe) or that it is specific to this region.

This has less to do with a lack of reading and is more a supportive argument of the conspiracy theory previously mentioned that the public is not supposed to think, much less read. 

As a disclaimer: I read quite a bit but mostly non-fiction. Currently reading Clinton Heylin's new book (and it rocks!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Apologies to those who may have mentioned this already, but: libraries are fantastic. I have fantasized about working in one for several years, just to be surrounded by the DDS, books, and the sounds of knowledge seeping out of musty pages all day long. And, yes, they are free and many of them do have an online catalogue which is readily available  to renew or request media, which is a huge bonus to those of us to have internet access. </p>
	<p>However - and this is a big however - if one lives in my town (St. Louis county/ city) and lives in an area that is generally regarded in layman&#8217;s terms as &#8220;dangerous,&#8221; &#8220;sketchy,&#8221; or any other synonyms that are euphemisms for &#8220;black people exist there&#8221; (St. Louis is incredibly segregated), libraries are a rare find. Public transport in this city is in a disparaging state and the public schools are essentially designed to weed out undesireables - to avert them from scholarly aspirations or anything that might elevate their levels of cognization, conciousness, and an overall sense of awareness. Then there is the problem of factors that encourage behaviors that result in having children at too young an age and the process of the underclass begins all over again; I believe strongly that I am not the only one who has noticed this (obviously; I probably don&#8217;t even need to go on this diatribe) or that it is specific to this region.</p>
	<p>This has less to do with a lack of reading and is more a supportive argument of the conspiracy theory previously mentioned that the public is not supposed to think, much less read. </p>
	<p>As a disclaimer: I read quite a bit but mostly non-fiction. Currently reading Clinton Heylin&#8217;s new book (and it rocks!).
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		<title>by: Ole</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/29/americans-dont-read/#comment-485472</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, Ole, according the NEA’s definitions, those people arne’t “readers” either, unless they read books–and specifically, “literary” books. Reading newspapers doesn’t count. Participating in political public debates isn’t reading.&lt;/i&gt;

Mythago, my point is that Amanda's argument that reading is for those with time is flawed, IMHO.  I used the example with the working-class around the turn of the century because with work weeks of 72+ hours they worked twice as many hours per week as most Europeans today. Yet they still had time to read and do lots of other stuff. And they read books too, not just newspapers.

Besides, at the turn of the century almost every union and political party in Europe had its own newspaper where, among other things, poems and short stories were frequently printed - for the benefit of the author (lots of exposure) and reader (cheap!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Well, Ole, according the NEA’s definitions, those people arne’t “readers” either, unless they read books–and specifically, “literary” books. Reading newspapers doesn’t count. Participating in political public debates isn’t reading.</i></p>
	<p>Mythago, my point is that Amanda&#8217;s argument that reading is for those with time is flawed, IMHO.  I used the example with the working-class around the turn of the century because with work weeks of 72+ hours they worked twice as many hours per week as most Europeans today. Yet they still had time to read and do lots of other stuff. And they read books too, not just newspapers.</p>
	<p>Besides, at the turn of the century almost every union and political party in Europe had its own newspaper where, among other things, poems and short stories were frequently printed - for the benefit of the author (lots of exposure) and reader (cheap!).
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