Comments on: Obama wins - Brave New Films and The Young Turks cover the SC Primary results http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:44:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Blue Jean http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484695 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:23:38 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484695 Yes, one of my favorite Jon Stewart quotes came from that dark year 1998, when he was talking about the Judciary Comittee; "The Democratic side looked like America; they had the white guy, the black guy, the gay guy... The Republican side looked like every guy who ever fired my father." Yes, one of my favorite Jon Stewart quotes came from that dark year 1998, when he was talking about the Judciary Comittee; “The Democratic side looked like America; they had the white guy, the black guy, the gay guy… The Republican side looked like every guy who ever fired my father.”

]]> by: curious http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484682 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:44:26 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484682 I just read somewhere (a comment on Political Punch) that Bill Clinton was asked whether Obama could win as a black candidate and the reporter added the "double teaming" part before Clinton answered, but the first part of the question was cut off, making the answer sound puzzling. Does anyone have a clip which begins prior to the "double team" part of the question? I've tried looking and I can only find the clip that starts with the "double team" question (in fact it starts right there, not a little earlier). It would explain a lot, I think. I just read somewhere (a comment on Political Punch) that Bill Clinton was asked whether Obama could win as a black candidate and the reporter added the “double teaming” part before Clinton answered, but the first part of the question was cut off, making the answer sound puzzling. Does anyone have a clip which begins prior to the “double team” part of the question? I’ve tried looking and I can only find the clip that starts with the “double team” question (in fact it starts right there, not a little earlier). It would explain a lot, I think.

]]> by: gwangung http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484680 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:20:29 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484680 <blockquote> …Huckabee’s comment that Romney “looks like the guy who would lay you off.” </blockquote> and <blockquote> Personally, I would prefer that the guy gets defeated simply because he’s such a lying, manipulative weasel. </blockquote> Is there that much of a difference most times?

…Huckabee’s comment that Romney “looks like the guy who would lay you off.”

and

Personally, I would prefer that the guy gets defeated simply because he’s such a lying, manipulative weasel.

Is there that much of a difference most times?

]]> by: Bitter Scribe http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484672 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:58:03 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484672 <blockquote>...Huckabee’s comment that Romney “looks like the guy who would lay you off.” </blockquote>IIRC, Ted Kennedy used that approach, if not those very words, to defeat Romney for re-election to the Senate. It has some basis in fact, in that Romney's work as a business consultant did sometimes lead to layoffs. Personally, I would prefer that the guy gets defeated simply because he's such a lying, manipulative weasel. But hey, any port in a storm.

…Huckabee’s comment that Romney “looks like the guy who would lay you off.”

IIRC, Ted Kennedy used that approach, if not those very words, to defeat Romney for re-election to the Senate. It has some basis in fact, in that Romney’s work as a business consultant did sometimes lead to layoffs.

Personally, I would prefer that the guy gets defeated simply because he’s such a lying, manipulative weasel. But hey, any port in a storm.

]]> by: wayward http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484654 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:19:58 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484654 Edwards carried his native Oconee County. Clinton carried Horry (Myrtle Beach). Obama carried the rest. Damn. <blockquote> Even considering the weather last week in SC was reportedly not very good, the fact that overall Democratic turnout was ~10% higher than GOP turnout in South Carolina–SOUTH CAROLINA!!!–is amazing. </blockquote> Which is why I supported Barack Obama. South Carolina is not an important state in the general election. The Republicans almost always win it, and if SC does happen to be in play, then the Republican nominee will be probably be conceding before bedtime. What does matter is the elections down the ballot, specifically the SC House and SC Senate. If Hillary Clinton is at the top of the ticket, it's going to be a bloodbath for the Democrats at the bottom. If Barack Obama is at the top of the ticket, we are much more likely to get the turnout we need to turn some red seats blue. We lost Senate 25 by about 150 votes in a special election last November. It's up again in 2008. We need to win those local elections and we need someone who can turn out voters for us, not them. Edwards carried his native Oconee County. Clinton carried Horry (Myrtle Beach).

Obama carried the rest. Damn.

Even considering the weather last week in SC was reportedly not very good, the fact that overall Democratic turnout was ~10% higher than GOP turnout in South Carolina–SOUTH CAROLINA!!!–is amazing.

Which is why I supported Barack Obama.

South Carolina is not an important state in the general election. The Republicans almost always win it, and if SC does happen to be in play, then the Republican nominee will be probably be conceding before bedtime.

What does matter is the elections down the ballot, specifically the SC House and SC Senate. If Hillary Clinton is at the top of the ticket, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the Democrats at the bottom. If Barack Obama is at the top of the ticket, we are much more likely to get the turnout we need to turn some red seats blue. We lost Senate 25 by about 150 votes in a special election last November. It’s up again in 2008. We need to win those local elections and we need someone who can turn out voters for us, not them.

]]> by: ikl http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484573 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:46:07 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484573 My sense based on polls and the demographics of results so far is that Edwards supporters in the north and west would split between Obama and Clinton whereas in the south they would mostly go towards Clinton. But that is just a guess based on the numbers. In SC, I was sure that he was helping Obama by staying in. On Super Tuesday, it is much harder to say, but he probably still helps Obama given the number of southern states that are voting. My sense based on polls and the demographics of results so far is that Edwards supporters in the north and west would split between Obama and Clinton whereas in the south they would mostly go towards Clinton. But that is just a guess based on the numbers. In SC, I was sure that he was helping Obama by staying in. On Super Tuesday, it is much harder to say, but he probably still helps Obama given the number of southern states that are voting.

]]> by: teac http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484564 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:59:16 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484564 <i>Edwards voter here [snip] and FTR, I’d switch to Obama before I’d switch to Clinton.</i> I'm gonna have to second that. <i>However, I’d vote for someone’s pet ferret before I’d vote for any Republican.</i> And can I get a <b>RAmen</b> to that, people! Not one of the GOP runners is worth the paper he's printed on. Edwards voter here [snip] and FTR, I’d switch to Obama before I’d switch to Clinton.

I’m gonna have to second that.

However, I’d vote for someone’s pet ferret before I’d vote for any Republican.

And can I get a RAmen to that, people! Not one of the GOP runners is worth the paper he’s printed on.

]]> by: brady http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484562 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:32:16 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484562 This is a huge win for Obama and he is so good at capitalizing on victory speech time. It's going to be damn close on Feb 5, but I'm a believer. This is a huge win for Obama and he is so good at capitalizing on victory speech time. It’s going to be damn close on Feb 5, but I’m a believer.

]]> by: Blue Jean http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484559 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:44:19 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484559 Thanks, Pam! Now I can digest all the stats to my wonkish delight. :-) Thanks, Pam! Now I can digest all the stats to my wonkish delight. :-)

]]> by: Pam Spaulding http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484557 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:21:43 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/26/brave-new-films-and-the-young-turks-cover-the-sc-primary-results/#comment-484557 Blue Jean, if the display is giving you trouble, all the stats are here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226006/ Blue Jean, if the display is giving you trouble, all the stats are here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226006/

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