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		<title>by: Skillz Check Soccer Academy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-486836</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>No surprise...</description>
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		<title>by: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484626</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484626</guid>
					<description>Pablo, you're missing the point here -- he's an actual advocate for his constituents. That he isn't a pork barrel Alaska-bridge-to-nowhere Congressperson is a *good* thing. Cimperman and the others aren't going to do anything more than he does and I find it difficult to believe they'll improve on his direct outreach record, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pablo, you&#8217;re missing the point here &#8212; he&#8217;s an actual advocate for his constituents. That he isn&#8217;t a pork barrel Alaska-bridge-to-nowhere Congressperson is a *good* thing. Cimperman and the others aren&#8217;t going to do anything more than he does and I find it difficult to believe they&#8217;ll improve on his direct outreach record, too.
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		<title>by: Vegan</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484313</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484313</guid>
					<description>He was the highest ranking vegan politician in the US.  For the millions of American vegans, we can only hope more will come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>He was the highest ranking vegan politician in the US.  For the millions of American vegans, we can only hope more will come.
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		<title>by: derrp</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484306</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If I had a left nut, I would give it, to have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gravel2008.us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mike Gravel&lt;/a&gt; win the presidency.  Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he has a snowball's chance in hell. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If I had a left nut, I would give it, to have <a href="http://www.gravel2008.us/" rel="nofollow">Mike Gravel</a> win the presidency.  Unfortunately, it doesn&#8217;t look like he has a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: pablo</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484247</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484247</guid>
					<description>Ace- I'm just telling you what i've heard on the street and read in the local papers. I had a much higher opinion of Kucinich myself before i moved into his district about 3 months ago.  But if you examine his actual record of non-accomplishment in the House of Rep then you can really see the local's point.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ace- I&#8217;m just telling you what i&#8217;ve heard on the street and read in the local papers. I had a much higher opinion of Kucinich myself before i moved into his district about 3 months ago.  But if you examine his actual record of non-accomplishment in the House of Rep then you can really see the local&#8217;s point.
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		<title>by: Tom</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484243</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484243</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;See video:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFVmWlPIR8E&amp;amp;feature=PlayList&amp;amp;p=18D89F71DD728BBA&amp;amp;index=0&amp;amp;playnext=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kucinich Drops Out and Doesn't Endorse Anyone&lt;/a&gt;
http://representativepress.googlepages.com/DropOut.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>See video:</strong> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFVmWlPIR8E&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=18D89F71DD728BBA&amp;index=0&amp;playnext=1" rel="nofollow">Kucinich Drops Out and Doesn&#8217;t Endorse Anyone</a><br />
<a href='http://representativepress.googlepages.com/DropOut.html' rel='nofollow'>http://representativepress.googlepages.com/DropOut.html</a>
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		<title>by: The Local Crank</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484239</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484239</guid>
					<description>&quot;That’s not flakiness, it’s desperation. Kucinich was never going to get the nomination and he knew it, so he was free to say whatever came into his head no matter what the implications.&quot;

To me, that's even more damning.  If he was willing to throw in with a neo-Nazi backed, racist, anti-semitic character like Paul as a publicity stunt, that says even more about his lack of fitness for the office he sought and his lack of real commitment to the ideals he proclaimed so loudly.
And speaking of stunts, I agree that there is no way impeachment was ever going go happen and certainly no chance now.  Sadly, Bush and Cheney will leave office, segue back into the corporate world, make tons more money and never give a second thought to the disaster they left behind.  They will never ever be called to account for any of it, either.  That's not just, of course, but the important thing is, they will leave office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;That’s not flakiness, it’s desperation. Kucinich was never going to get the nomination and he knew it, so he was free to say whatever came into his head no matter what the implications.&#8221;</p>
	<p>To me, that&#8217;s even more damning.  If he was willing to throw in with a neo-Nazi backed, racist, anti-semitic character like Paul as a publicity stunt, that says even more about his lack of fitness for the office he sought and his lack of real commitment to the ideals he proclaimed so loudly.<br />
And speaking of stunts, I agree that there is no way impeachment was ever going go happen and certainly no chance now.  Sadly, Bush and Cheney will leave office, segue back into the corporate world, make tons more money and never give a second thought to the disaster they left behind.  They will never ever be called to account for any of it, either.  That&#8217;s not just, of course, but the important thing is, they will leave office.
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		<title>by: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484167</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, Pablo, please. Stop it with the &quot;do nothing&quot; bullshit about Kucinich. You say you live in his district? (I do, too). Have you ever actually reached out to his office for help on something? There is *immediate* response from a well-trained staff of constituent advocates who -- gasp -- know what the hell they're talking about on just about every issue.

Letting someone like that in-the-back-pockets-of-the-downtown-developer-mafia frat boy Cimperman get elected would be a damned shame. And when I heard Rosemary Palmer campaigning against Kucinich, I wanted to throw things at the television. She told an older lady who said she liked Kucinich and planned to vote for him that &quot;well, things we like aren't always good for us.&quot; Give me a frickin' break, lady. Nanny somewhere else.

When the local gas company neglected to read our meter for over a year (violating Ohio utility codes) then tried to say we owed them over $2000 (we didn't), Kucinich's office stepped up to help. When my future mother in law needed to get on an emergency flight to Hungary for her mother's funeral, the woman in charge of immigration-related issues at Kucinich's office helped us figure out if it would cause any problems with her ongoing citizenship application. 

There are hundreds, probably thousands of stories just like mine of people who have been helped by Kucinich, advocated for by Kucinich, etc. He's anything but &quot;do nothing.&quot;

By contrast, Cimperman is a cheap politico with a taste for drama and a craving for approval from his developer pals. And his campaign's behavior has been less than honorable:

http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/cimperman_gets_nailed_by_local_press
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, Pablo, please. Stop it with the &#8220;do nothing&#8221; bullshit about Kucinich. You say you live in his district? (I do, too). Have you ever actually reached out to his office for help on something? There is *immediate* response from a well-trained staff of constituent advocates who &#8212; gasp &#8212; know what the hell they&#8217;re talking about on just about every issue.</p>
	<p>Letting someone like that in-the-back-pockets-of-the-downtown-developer-mafia frat boy Cimperman get elected would be a damned shame. And when I heard Rosemary Palmer campaigning against Kucinich, I wanted to throw things at the television. She told an older lady who said she liked Kucinich and planned to vote for him that &#8220;well, things we like aren&#8217;t always good for us.&#8221; Give me a frickin&#8217; break, lady. Nanny somewhere else.</p>
	<p>When the local gas company neglected to read our meter for over a year (violating Ohio utility codes) then tried to say we owed them over $2000 (we didn&#8217;t), Kucinich&#8217;s office stepped up to help. When my future mother in law needed to get on an emergency flight to Hungary for her mother&#8217;s funeral, the woman in charge of immigration-related issues at Kucinich&#8217;s office helped us figure out if it would cause any problems with her ongoing citizenship application. </p>
	<p>There are hundreds, probably thousands of stories just like mine of people who have been helped by Kucinich, advocated for by Kucinich, etc. He&#8217;s anything but &#8220;do nothing.&#8221;</p>
	<p>By contrast, Cimperman is a cheap politico with a taste for drama and a craving for approval from his developer pals. And his campaign&#8217;s behavior has been less than honorable:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/cimperman_gets_nailed_by_local_press' rel='nofollow'>http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/cimperman_gets_nailed_by_local_press</a>
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		<title>by: Mark Foxwell</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484137</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dana,

I believe Bush and Cheney are both criminals, on a massive scale, with repeated counts of separate, multiple offenses, which all bear directly on their performance of their public office and which have had drastic, often fatal, consequences for Americans and people overseas, and which will cost us all dearly in both money and reputation for generations to come. They may well have sent the USA into a downward spiral that we may never recover from, with tragic consequences for us and people all over the world. I'm enough of a patriot to believe that.

Therefore justice against them, no matter how long delayed, is better than their walking off scot-free. 

It's more than I expect to happen at this point. But it will never be too late, in my opinion, for them to be tried, convicted, and punished.

If this just makes them the right-wing mirror-image of FDR or the Warren Court--very well, remind us again of the legacy of good work I'm supposed to be overlooking in my supposedly partisan zeal. 

I could point out that on the pro-Bush side one finds people who think Abraham Lincoln was Teh Evil. So if it is a matter of just choosing sides--well, I like my side better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dana,</p>
	<p>I believe Bush and Cheney are both criminals, on a massive scale, with repeated counts of separate, multiple offenses, which all bear directly on their performance of their public office and which have had drastic, often fatal, consequences for Americans and people overseas, and which will cost us all dearly in both money and reputation for generations to come. They may well have sent the USA into a downward spiral that we may never recover from, with tragic consequences for us and people all over the world. I&#8217;m enough of a patriot to believe that.</p>
	<p>Therefore justice against them, no matter how long delayed, is better than their walking off scot-free. </p>
	<p>It&#8217;s more than I expect to happen at this point. But it will never be too late, in my opinion, for them to be tried, convicted, and punished.</p>
	<p>If this just makes them the right-wing mirror-image of FDR or the Warren Court&#8211;very well, remind us again of the legacy of good work I&#8217;m supposed to be overlooking in my supposedly partisan zeal. </p>
	<p>I could point out that on the pro-Bush side one finds people who think Abraham Lincoln was Teh Evil. So if it is a matter of just choosing sides&#8211;well, I like my side better.
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		<title>by: Caren, Creator of Animorphic Pancakes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/24/dennis-kucinich-drops-out/#comment-484136</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s not just about making good decisions, it’s about inspiring people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm sorry, but that's just such a spectacularly stupid statement, even if it explains why people vote for George W &quot;Great guy to have a beer with&quot; Bush.

To paraphrase Kucinich himself, you can have a president who stands for the right principals, or you can have one that's tall.

We don't even have that with the shrimp in office.

&lt;b&gt;Dana,&lt;/b&gt; we have to impeach Cheney first, especially since he's masterminded most of the crimes.  They both need to go.  Investigations and prosecutions need to happen even if it's after they've left office.  

They've committed crimes against the country and damaged her and her citizens.  They need to pay, and it will be a real shame if we have to leave it up to The Hague to do it for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>It’s not just about making good decisions, it’s about inspiring people.</p></blockquote>
	<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but that&#8217;s just such a spectacularly stupid statement, even if it explains why people vote for George W &#8220;Great guy to have a beer with&#8221; Bush.</p>
	<p>To paraphrase Kucinich himself, you can have a president who stands for the right principals, or you can have one that&#8217;s tall.</p>
	<p>We don&#8217;t even have that with the shrimp in office.</p>
	<p><b>Dana,</b> we have to impeach Cheney first, especially since he&#8217;s masterminded most of the crimes.  They both need to go.  Investigations and prosecutions need to happen even if it&#8217;s after they&#8217;ve left office.  </p>
	<p>They&#8217;ve committed crimes against the country and damaged her and her citizens.  They need to pay, and it will be a real shame if we have to leave it up to The Hague to do it for us.
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