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	<title>Comments on: Uncle Sam wants&#8230;to see your email</title>
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		<title>by: Bitter Scribe</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482418</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I read the New Yorker article last night. What's really sad about this McConnell is that he's sincerely committed to protecting the nation and has worked hard all his life to do so.

But he comes across as absolutely tone-deaf to the abusive potential of communications monitoring and &quot;aggressive&quot; interrogations. He's alienated powerful Democrats in Congress by jerking them around over FISA, the surveillance act. His excuse is that he's inexperienced in politics.

Sorry, Admiral, but that doesn't cut it. When you're proposing measures that have the potential to invade the privacy of ordinary citizens, and tar the good name of this country by associating it with abuse, you'd better get into &quot;politics&quot;---otherwise known as accountability. &quot;Give me what I want or the terrorists will get you&quot; is not sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I read the New Yorker article last night. What&#8217;s really sad about this McConnell is that he&#8217;s sincerely committed to protecting the nation and has worked hard all his life to do so.</p>
	<p>But he comes across as absolutely tone-deaf to the abusive potential of communications monitoring and &#8220;aggressive&#8221; interrogations. He&#8217;s alienated powerful Democrats in Congress by jerking them around over FISA, the surveillance act. His excuse is that he&#8217;s inexperienced in politics.</p>
	<p>Sorry, Admiral, but that doesn&#8217;t cut it. When you&#8217;re proposing measures that have the potential to invade the privacy of ordinary citizens, and tar the good name of this country by associating it with abuse, you&#8217;d better get into &#8220;politics&#8221;&#8212;otherwise known as accountability. &#8220;Give me what I want or the terrorists will get you&#8221; is not sufficient.
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		<title>by: Dunc</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482389</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482389</guid>
					<description>When you're searching for needles in a haystack, the obvious first move is to make the haystack as big as possible!

Still, they've been doing this shit to the rest of the world for ages with ECHELON.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When you&#8217;re searching for needles in a haystack, the obvious first move is to make the haystack as big as possible!</p>
	<p>Still, they&#8217;ve been doing this shit to the rest of the world for ages with ECHELON.
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		<title>by: clytemnestra</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482383</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482383</guid>
					<description>hello?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hello?
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		<title>by: clytemnestra</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482382</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482382</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Let me just say that no-one has nothing to hide. If you’ve ever sent a sexy email to your boy/girlfriend; if you’ve ever ordered anything from a shop; if you’ve ever given advice to a friend in confidence. Think how you’d feel if that geeky guy down in IT read through all of those things. If I were so inclined - and the Bush regime is so inclined - I have blackmail material on lots of people now. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Richard Gadsden -

Which is pretty much the point I made in an email I sent out to my family and friends - especially my Republican family and friends, advising them that since I email them and they email me the government can now read their email.  I asked them if they felt comfortable knowing that if they gave advice to a friend about their child's drug use could now be in the hands of the government, or they sought advice due to infidelity, or that email they sent to their spouse about that sexy night they had planned.

I also pointed out for those of them that might ask &quot;what good does that information due the government?&quot; that since the VA Tech shootings we now know the government is keeping a database of everyone in the US who is taking anti-depressants, what good is that information to the government and why do they need it?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Let me just say that no-one has nothing to hide. If you’ve ever sent a sexy email to your boy/girlfriend; if you’ve ever ordered anything from a shop; if you’ve ever given advice to a friend in confidence. Think how you’d feel if that geeky guy down in IT read through all of those things. If I were so inclined - and the Bush regime is so inclined - I have blackmail material on lots of people now. </p></blockquote>
	<p>Richard Gadsden -</p>
	<p>Which is pretty much the point I made in an email I sent out to my family and friends - especially my Republican family and friends, advising them that since I email them and they email me the government can now read their email.  I asked them if they felt comfortable knowing that if they gave advice to a friend about their child&#8217;s drug use could now be in the hands of the government, or they sought advice due to infidelity, or that email they sent to their spouse about that sexy night they had planned.</p>
	<p>I also pointed out for those of them that might ask &#8220;what good does that information due the government?&#8221; that since the VA Tech shootings we now know the government is keeping a database of everyone in the US who is taking anti-depressants, what good is that information to the government and why do they need it?
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		<title>by: Pam Spaulding</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482373</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482373</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;I’ve just been reading emails of some people where I work - legitimately; my employer had reasonable suspicion of gross misconduct, and the emails are evidence of that (and I do IT security).

I hate doing this; you end up finding out all sorts of personal information that you never wanted to know.&lt;/i&gt;

I know what you mean. I don't know how many times I've told people at work that they legally have no right of privacy in work email or in use of the network, as it is business communications and subject to being read by the employer. No one routinely monitors anything, but the point is if the folks upstairs suspect anything detrimental to business concerns is occurring, no one is going to come ask you if they can monitor your email.

It's amazing when you hear about dolts doing things like running pr0n FTPs from their work server and wondering why they get busted. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I’ve just been reading emails of some people where I work - legitimately; my employer had reasonable suspicion of gross misconduct, and the emails are evidence of that (and I do IT security).</p>
	<p>I hate doing this; you end up finding out all sorts of personal information that you never wanted to know.</i></p>
	<p>I know what you mean. I don&#8217;t know how many times I&#8217;ve told people at work that they legally have no right of privacy in work email or in use of the network, as it is business communications and subject to being read by the employer. No one routinely monitors anything, but the point is if the folks upstairs suspect anything detrimental to business concerns is occurring, no one is going to come ask you if they can monitor your email.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s amazing when you hear about dolts doing things like running pr0n FTPs from their work server and wondering why they get busted.
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		<title>by: betty sue</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482364</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482364</guid>
					<description>We've had remote controlled load shifting (not just thermostats but all sorts fo electrical loads) in some areas of Australia for nearly 5 years now.  It's a very effective way to manage excessive peak summer demand on a constrained electrical network.  However, it is an opt-in system (business or household had to actively agree to participate), and the utility has to compensate you if they switch off your load.  Also it is coupled with a time--of-use tariff which allows you to see via a display in your kitchen how much youre being charged at any one time.  Generally it is the tariff information that makes people switch off loads or use them at different times of day (eg, have the AC on at night to cool the house right down while the tariff is low, then you don't have to switch on during the day).  The utilities only over-ride electricity users on a very few occasions.

And yes, our utilities are state owned.

the email thing however, is vile
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We&#8217;ve had remote controlled load shifting (not just thermostats but all sorts fo electrical loads) in some areas of Australia for nearly 5 years now.  It&#8217;s a very effective way to manage excessive peak summer demand on a constrained electrical network.  However, it is an opt-in system (business or household had to actively agree to participate), and the utility has to compensate you if they switch off your load.  Also it is coupled with a time&#8211;of-use tariff which allows you to see via a display in your kitchen how much youre being charged at any one time.  Generally it is the tariff information that makes people switch off loads or use them at different times of day (eg, have the AC on at night to cool the house right down while the tariff is low, then you don&#8217;t have to switch on during the day).  The utilities only over-ride electricity users on a very few occasions.</p>
	<p>And yes, our utilities are state owned.</p>
	<p>the email thing however, is vile
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		<title>by: Richard Gadsden</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482363</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482363</guid>
					<description>I've just been reading emails of some people where I work - legitimately; my employer had reasonable suspicion of gross misconduct, and the emails are evidence of that (and I do IT security).

I hate doing this; you end up finding out all sorts of personal information that you never wanted to know.

Let me just say that no-one has nothing to hide.  If you've ever sent a sexy email to your boy/girlfriend; if you've ever ordered anything from a shop; if you've ever given advice to a friend in confidence.  Think how you'd feel if that geeky guy down in IT read through all of those things.  If I were so inclined - and the Bush regime is so inclined - I have blackmail material on lots of people now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve just been reading emails of some people where I work - legitimately; my employer had reasonable suspicion of gross misconduct, and the emails are evidence of that (and I do IT security).</p>
	<p>I hate doing this; you end up finding out all sorts of personal information that you never wanted to know.</p>
	<p>Let me just say that no-one has nothing to hide.  If you&#8217;ve ever sent a sexy email to your boy/girlfriend; if you&#8217;ve ever ordered anything from a shop; if you&#8217;ve ever given advice to a friend in confidence.  Think how you&#8217;d feel if that geeky guy down in IT read through all of those things.  If I were so inclined - and the Bush regime is so inclined - I have blackmail material on lots of people now.
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		<title>by: Darkrose, Countess of Creme Brulee</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482360</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482360</guid>
					<description>Samantha--with PG&amp;amp;E I'd be more worried that about them intentionally cooling things down more than you wanted so they could charge you more. I can't understand why the proposal to let SMUD expand didn't pass last election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Samantha&#8211;with PG&amp;E I&#8217;d be more worried that about them intentionally cooling things down more than you wanted so they could charge you more. I can&#8217;t understand why the proposal to let SMUD expand didn&#8217;t pass last election.
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		<title>by: clytemnestra</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482354</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Samantha Vimes -

Do you have a battery powered nebulizer?  My aunt had one for when they traveled over seas and I am getting one for the same reason.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Samantha Vimes -</p>
	<p>Do you have a battery powered nebulizer?  My aunt had one for when they traveled over seas and I am getting one for the same reason.
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		<title>by: Samantha Vimes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482352</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/uncle-sam-wantsto-see-your-email/#comment-482352</guid>
					<description>OMGWTF?!

One of the reasons I'm practically homebound is that my asthma gets worse when the temp is over 75 degrees. This is apparently the &quot;kill a bunch of people&quot; bill. At least while I'm living in the SMUD electricity district I know they will have some kind of medical exception, but I'm not exactly trusting PG &amp;amp; E, which I will have after I move. 
Guess I'd better start writing to the legislature. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OMGWTF?!</p>
	<p>One of the reasons I&#8217;m practically homebound is that my asthma gets worse when the temp is over 75 degrees. This is apparently the &#8220;kill a bunch of people&#8221; bill. At least while I&#8217;m living in the SMUD electricity district I know they will have some kind of medical exception, but I&#8217;m not exactly trusting PG &amp; E, which I will have after I move.<br />
Guess I&#8217;d better start writing to the legislature.
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