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	<title>Comments on: Time to trot out the black surrogates for dirty work</title>
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		<title>by: Darkrose, Countess of Creme Brulee</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-482102</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“So…basically what you’re saying is that if you don’t support Clinton because of her pro-Iraq War vote, her hawkishness on Iran, and her ties to Rupert Murdoch and the K Street crowd, you’re not a feminist. ”

Nice strawman you got going there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

    &quot;Then again, in a place where we see the “Shillary” moniker taken out… I guess Pandagon’s feminist days are indeed over.&quot;

Since the &quot;Shillary&quot; nickname was, IIRC, bestowed upon Clinton by progressives due to her pandering to the right and her corporate connections, I'm curious as to how you can say that &quot;Pandagon's feminist days are indeed over&quot; because Pam used that nickname, and made a post critical of the Clinton campaign, and then accuse me of setting up a straw man.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>“So…basically what you’re saying is that if you don’t support Clinton because of her pro-Iraq War vote, her hawkishness on Iran, and her ties to Rupert Murdoch and the K Street crowd, you’re not a feminist. ”</p>
	<p>Nice strawman you got going there.</p></blockquote>
	<p>    &#8220;Then again, in a place where we see the “Shillary” moniker taken out… I guess Pandagon’s feminist days are indeed over.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Since the &#8220;Shillary&#8221; nickname was, IIRC, bestowed upon Clinton by progressives due to her pandering to the right and her corporate connections, I&#8217;m curious as to how you can say that &#8220;Pandagon&#8217;s feminist days are indeed over&#8221; because Pam used that nickname, and made a post critical of the Clinton campaign, and then accuse me of setting up a straw man.
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-482051</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you have any fucking idea as to what you are talking about or do I need to explain it to you in detail?&lt;/i&gt;

Detail, please.  I would love to hear your view on how someone with disordered thinking makes a perfectly rational electoral choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Do you have any fucking idea as to what you are talking about or do I need to explain it to you in detail?</i></p>
	<p>Detail, please.  I would love to hear your view on how someone with disordered thinking makes a perfectly rational electoral choice.
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		<title>by: soopermouse</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481987</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481987</guid>
					<description>&quot;So…basically what you’re saying is that if you don’t support Clinton because of her pro-Iraq War vote, her hawkishness on Iran, and her ties to Rupert Murdoch and the K Street crowd, you’re not a feminist. &quot;

Nice strawman you got going there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;So…basically what you’re saying is that if you don’t support Clinton because of her pro-Iraq War vote, her hawkishness on Iran, and her ties to Rupert Murdoch and the K Street crowd, you’re not a feminist. &#8221;</p>
	<p>Nice strawman you got going there.
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		<title>by: soopermouse</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481983</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481983</guid>
					<description>Mnemosyne
&quot;How was it derogatory? If anything, I was making fun of McCain and implying that you would need to be mentally ill to vote for him voluntarily.&quot;

And how in the hell is that NOT derogatory?
 Do you have any fucking idea as to what you are talking about or do I need to explain it to you in detail?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mnemosyne<br />
&#8220;How was it derogatory? If anything, I was making fun of McCain and implying that you would need to be mentally ill to vote for him voluntarily.&#8221;</p>
	<p>And how in the hell is that NOT derogatory?<br />
 Do you have any fucking idea as to what you are talking about or do I need to explain it to you in detail?
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		<title>by: FlipYrWhig</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481930</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481930</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;the man she gets to do her hatchet job&lt;/i&gt;

Come on.  You don't know that she's &quot;getting [him] to do her hatchet job.&quot;  In fact, you've just documented quite well that Bob Johnson is perfectly capable of being a dillweed dimwit all on his own, with no orders from the Clinton campaign cabal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>the man she gets to do her hatchet job</i></p>
	<p>Come on.  You don&#8217;t know that she&#8217;s &#8220;getting [him] to do her hatchet job.&#8221;  In fact, you&#8217;ve just documented quite well that Bob Johnson is perfectly capable of being a dillweed dimwit all on his own, with no orders from the Clinton campaign cabal.
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		<title>by: Pinky</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481870</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481870</guid>
					<description>I leave to vote 'uncommitted' in the Michigan primary...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I leave to vote &#8216;uncommitted&#8217; in the Michigan primary&#8230;
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		<title>by: invisible_hand</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481830</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>it shows what kind of politician and candidate clinton is when the man she gets to do her hatchet job is bob johnson, friend of george w bush, the man who calls the estate tax and social security &quot;racist,&quot; and CEO of the misogynistic BET.  in the immortal words of charlie brown: augh!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>it shows what kind of politician and candidate clinton is when the man she gets to do her hatchet job is bob johnson, friend of george w bush, the man who calls the estate tax and social security &#8220;racist,&#8221; and CEO of the misogynistic BET.  in the immortal words of charlie brown: augh!!
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		<title>by: mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481685</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481685</guid>
					<description>Apparently it was all getting too ugly for anyone to take, because both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton made statements today that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/012898.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;we're all Democrats.&lt;/a&gt;  So, hopefully, the partisans on both sides will take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize that we're gonna have to vote for one of these or say hello to President McCain (or, worse, President Huckabee) next November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Apparently it was all getting too ugly for anyone to take, because both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton made statements today that <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/012898.php" rel="nofollow">we&#8217;re all Democrats.</a>  So, hopefully, the partisans on both sides will take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize that we&#8217;re gonna have to vote for one of these or say hello to President McCain (or, worse, President Huckabee) next November.
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		<title>by: FlipYrWhig</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481626</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481626</guid>
					<description>soopermouse, are you reading &quot;shillary&quot; as &quot;shrillary&quot;?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>soopermouse, are you reading &#8220;shillary&#8221; as &#8220;shrillary&#8221;?
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		<title>by: Darkrose, Countess of Creme Brulee</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481620</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/14/time-to-trot-out-the-black-surrogates-for-dirty-work/#comment-481620</guid>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;Then again, in a place where we see the “Shillary” moniker taken out… I guess Pandagon’s feminist days are indeed over.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So...basically what you're saying is that if you don't support Clinton because of her pro-Iraq War vote, her hawkishness on Iran, and her  ties to Rupert Murdoch and the K Street crowd, you're not a feminist. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Then again, in a place where we see the “Shillary” moniker taken out… I guess Pandagon’s feminist days are indeed over.</p></blockquote>
	<p>So&#8230;basically what you&#8217;re saying is that if you don&#8217;t support Clinton because of her pro-Iraq War vote, her hawkishness on Iran, and her  ties to Rupert Murdoch and the K Street crowd, you&#8217;re not a feminist.
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