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		<title>by: rowmyboat</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-481985</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>And here's a day later update on HPV v. tetanus shots.  

My HPV shot arm feels fine, and has felt fine since last night.  I was able to sleep on that side last night.  

My tetanus shot arm, however, still aches.  Lifting my arm or picking things up -- in other words, anything that flexes the muscle around the injection site -- makes it hurt.  It also hurts if my arm gets touched within a couple inches of the injection sight.  I had to be careful last night not to roll over onto that side, and avoid cuddling with boyfriend, who sleeps on that side when in my bed.

Conclusion: I'd rather have an HPV shot than a tetanus shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And here&#8217;s a day later update on HPV v. tetanus shots.  </p>
	<p>My HPV shot arm feels fine, and has felt fine since last night.  I was able to sleep on that side last night.  </p>
	<p>My tetanus shot arm, however, still aches.  Lifting my arm or picking things up &#8212; in other words, anything that flexes the muscle around the injection site &#8212; makes it hurt.  It also hurts if my arm gets touched within a couple inches of the injection sight.  I had to be careful last night not to roll over onto that side, and avoid cuddling with boyfriend, who sleeps on that side when in my bed.</p>
	<p>Conclusion: I&#8217;d rather have an HPV shot than a tetanus shot.
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		<title>by: rowmyboat</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-481568</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ok friends, I know I'm a little late to the party, but I've got some (slightly pseudo-) scientific result for you here.

I just came back from the doctor and got a tetanus booster shot in one arm, and HPV shot #1 in the other.  

Needles going in hurt the same amount -- not much.  

Stuff going into arms -- didn't feel it for tetanus, ached a little for HPV.  Nurse said it was cause the HPV stuff is thick.  

Immediately after -- tetanus arm felt fine, HPV arm ached a little near injection site.  

Hour later (now) -- both ache just a little near injection site, no big deal.  Tetanus arm aches a little more, but that may be because it's my right arm, and I'm right handed.  I kinda feel like I don't want to pick up anything really heavy, but that's really it.  

In conclusion: nothing to fear, re: getting the shots themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ok friends, I know I&#8217;m a little late to the party, but I&#8217;ve got some (slightly pseudo-) scientific result for you here.</p>
	<p>I just came back from the doctor and got a tetanus booster shot in one arm, and HPV shot #1 in the other.  </p>
	<p>Needles going in hurt the same amount &#8212; not much.  </p>
	<p>Stuff going into arms &#8212; didn&#8217;t feel it for tetanus, ached a little for HPV.  Nurse said it was cause the HPV stuff is thick.  </p>
	<p>Immediately after &#8212; tetanus arm felt fine, HPV arm ached a little near injection site.  </p>
	<p>Hour later (now) &#8212; both ache just a little near injection site, no big deal.  Tetanus arm aches a little more, but that may be because it&#8217;s my right arm, and I&#8217;m right handed.  I kinda feel like I don&#8217;t want to pick up anything really heavy, but that&#8217;s really it.  </p>
	<p>In conclusion: nothing to fear, re: getting the shots themselves.
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		<title>by: mythago</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-479662</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Besides, Asperger’s is only as disabling as you allow it to be. In many ways, it’s pretty cool. :)&lt;/i&gt;

I'm trying to teach my daughter with Asperger's not to swear, but I think I'd give her a pass on telling you to go fuck yourself with a blender. Which she would, since she has Asperger's and doesn't think it's &quot;pretty cool&quot; or &quot;only as disabling as you allow it to be&quot;. 

But I guess minimizing and blaming somebody for their disability gives you some kind of sick pleasure.

Yes, autism is much worse. I know: my little brother is full-blown, low-functioning, lives-in-a-care-facility autistic. (He didn't get it from a fucking shot, either.) That doesn't mean Asperger's is the neurological equivalent of a stubbed toe. 

Hey, I bet somebody whose kid is in a persistent vegetative state would be thrilled to have a child with mere autism. Does that mean autism is &quot;pretty cool&quot;?

See previous reference re: fucking yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Besides, Asperger’s is only as disabling as you allow it to be. In many ways, it’s pretty cool. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </i></p>
	<p>I&#8217;m trying to teach my daughter with Asperger&#8217;s not to swear, but I think I&#8217;d give her a pass on telling you to go fuck yourself with a blender. Which she would, since she has Asperger&#8217;s and doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s &#8220;pretty cool&#8221; or &#8220;only as disabling as you allow it to be&#8221;. </p>
	<p>But I guess minimizing and blaming somebody for their disability gives you some kind of sick pleasure.</p>
	<p>Yes, autism is much worse. I know: my little brother is full-blown, low-functioning, lives-in-a-care-facility autistic. (He didn&#8217;t get it from a fucking shot, either.) That doesn&#8217;t mean Asperger&#8217;s is the neurological equivalent of a stubbed toe. </p>
	<p>Hey, I bet somebody whose kid is in a persistent vegetative state would be thrilled to have a child with mere autism. Does that mean autism is &#8220;pretty cool&#8221;?</p>
	<p>See previous reference re: fucking yourself.
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-479339</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Okay, I need some math help here:

There were 92.8 million prescriptions written for Vioxx between 1999 and 2003.

The FDA estimates that Vioxx &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/vioxx_estimates.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;led to the deaths of 27,785 people&lt;/a&gt;.

What's the injury rate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Okay, I need some math help here:</p>
	<p>There were 92.8 million prescriptions written for Vioxx between 1999 and 2003.</p>
	<p>The FDA estimates that Vioxx <a href="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/vioxx_estimates.html" rel="nofollow">led to the deaths of 27,785 people</a>.</p>
	<p>What&#8217;s the injury rate?
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		<title>by: Grubby</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-479315</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you really think that 13,500 cases of permanent paralysis would go unmentioned with all the controversy over this vaccine? Seriously?&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, seriously. The vast majority of pediatricians and family doctors fear liability for vaccine injury*, and thus are less likely to report vaccine reactions, especially serious ones, to the FDA. Reporting vaccine reactions to the FDA is voluntary for doctors, not mandatory. Thus the 1% estimated reporting rate.

I would imagine the controversy would only increase this fear vs. lessen it.

* Source: Freed et al., &lt;i&gt;Vaccine-Associated Liability Risk and Provider Immunization Practices,&lt;/i&gt;Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 1998;152:285-289. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Do you really think that 13,500 cases of permanent paralysis would go unmentioned with all the controversy over this vaccine? Seriously?</i></p>
	<p>Yes, seriously. The vast majority of pediatricians and family doctors fear liability for vaccine injury*, and thus are less likely to report vaccine reactions, especially serious ones, to the FDA. Reporting vaccine reactions to the FDA is voluntary for doctors, not mandatory. Thus the 1% estimated reporting rate.</p>
	<p>I would imagine the controversy would only increase this fear vs. lessen it.</p>
	<p>* Source: Freed et al., <i>Vaccine-Associated Liability Risk and Provider Immunization Practices,</i>Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 1998;152:285-289.
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		<title>by: VASpider</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-479303</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Heh.

My husband and I had to get rabies shots about two years ago - we woke up and there was a bat in our room, and the CDC says if you've been unconscious in a room and cannot say I WAS NOT BITTEN, well, better safe than sorry.

Said husband, who is nearly seven feet tall and built like a steel fridge, went down like a fainting goat at his ninth injection. 

Rabies is a terrible, terrible series.

It's better than dying.

I mean, come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Heh.</p>
	<p>My husband and I had to get rabies shots about two years ago - we woke up and there was a bat in our room, and the CDC says if you&#8217;ve been unconscious in a room and cannot say I WAS NOT BITTEN, well, better safe than sorry.</p>
	<p>Said husband, who is nearly seven feet tall and built like a steel fridge, went down like a fainting goat at his ninth injection. </p>
	<p>Rabies is a terrible, terrible series.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s better than dying.</p>
	<p>I mean, come on.
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		<title>by: history_mom</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-479283</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;that’s 135 reports to the FDA, which is projected to be 13,500 estimated cases of permanent paralysis.&lt;/i&gt;

Only if you assume, despite the fact that Gardasil is under much greater scrutiny than every other vaccine, that the 1% figure actually holds for this vaccine too. Do you really think that 13,500 cases of permanent paralysis would go unmentioned with all the controversy over this vaccine? Seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>that’s 135 reports to the FDA, which is projected to be 13,500 estimated cases of permanent paralysis.</i></p>
	<p>Only if you assume, despite the fact that Gardasil is under much greater scrutiny than every other vaccine, that the 1% figure actually holds for this vaccine too. Do you really think that 13,500 cases of permanent paralysis would go unmentioned with all the controversy over this vaccine? Seriously?
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		<title>by: Casey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-479200</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I got Gardasil, and until this article I had no idea the needle was &quot;different&quot; nor did i find it any more painful than any other vaccination. My arm hurt for a few days after, but less so than a flu shot. I think it's worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I got Gardasil, and until this article I had no idea the needle was &#8220;different&#8221; nor did i find it any more painful than any other vaccination. My arm hurt for a few days after, but less so than a flu shot. I think it&#8217;s worth it.
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		<title>by: feral</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-479179</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>i recall standing in lines like cattle on a regular basis for experimental vaccines in the navy way back when, and yet the worst shots i got were when i was headed overseas and had to get both typhus and anthrax and god only knows what all on the same day. they alternated arms and the corpsman looked at me with a whince of regret and said, &quot;sorry.&quot; i was going to the aleutians, but the island was on the line with japan and india and vietnam...

i couldnt lift my arms without aches for two days. driving was a big deal and i ran a light temp for three days. you just suck it up and know it goes away.

my daughter's getting the shot.

and i want her to have a sense of her own joy in her body as she matures into a woman, not fear of it or of sharing herself with another human being in a positive and giving way for both!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>i recall standing in lines like cattle on a regular basis for experimental vaccines in the navy way back when, and yet the worst shots i got were when i was headed overseas and had to get both typhus and anthrax and god only knows what all on the same day. they alternated arms and the corpsman looked at me with a whince of regret and said, &#8220;sorry.&#8221; i was going to the aleutians, but the island was on the line with japan and india and vietnam&#8230;</p>
	<p>i couldnt lift my arms without aches for two days. driving was a big deal and i ran a light temp for three days. you just suck it up and know it goes away.</p>
	<p>my daughter&#8217;s getting the shot.</p>
	<p>and i want her to have a sense of her own joy in her body as she matures into a woman, not fear of it or of sharing herself with another human being in a positive and giving way for both!
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		<title>by: Grubby</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/6523/#comment-479169</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I’d also like to remind you that, contrary to the assumptions you seem to be working off of, having abnormal cells removed from a body cavity is no more risk-free than any other minor surgery. &lt;/i&gt;

When did I ever make the assumption that it's risk-free?

It's really tiresome the amount of assumptions that other people have been making in this thread about what I believe that are completely contrary to what I've actually said or believe.

Criticisizing Gardasil has nothing to do with believing women are sluts, or that all vaccines are bad, or that the issue is even somewhat realistically a matter of choosing Gardasil over getting cervical cancer and/or pre-cancer treatment and/or death. There are so many argumentative fallacies and so much self-justification going on here that it reads like a textbook case from the book Amanda reviewed a little while ago, &quot;Mistakes Were Made, But Not By Me.&quot; 

I don't have a dog in this race, I haven't gotten the shot, haven't defended or criticized the shot before looking at the evidence, or made up my mind about it prior to looking at the evidence. I am a woman who cares about her own health and the health of others.

What I have done is try to look at the evidence objectively, and subsequently found Gardasil to be problematic in many ways. Just posting what I know to inform others. That's it.

Good luck, everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I’d also like to remind you that, contrary to the assumptions you seem to be working off of, having abnormal cells removed from a body cavity is no more risk-free than any other minor surgery. </i></p>
	<p>When did I ever make the assumption that it&#8217;s risk-free?</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s really tiresome the amount of assumptions that other people have been making in this thread about what I believe that are completely contrary to what I&#8217;ve actually said or believe.</p>
	<p>Criticisizing Gardasil has nothing to do with believing women are sluts, or that all vaccines are bad, or that the issue is even somewhat realistically a matter of choosing Gardasil over getting cervical cancer and/or pre-cancer treatment and/or death. There are so many argumentative fallacies and so much self-justification going on here that it reads like a textbook case from the book Amanda reviewed a little while ago, &#8220;Mistakes Were Made, But Not By Me.&#8221; </p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t have a dog in this race, I haven&#8217;t gotten the shot, haven&#8217;t defended or criticized the shot before looking at the evidence, or made up my mind about it prior to looking at the evidence. I am a woman who cares about her own health and the health of others.</p>
	<p>What I have done is try to look at the evidence objectively, and subsequently found Gardasil to be problematic in many ways. Just posting what I know to inform others. That&#8217;s it.</p>
	<p>Good luck, everybody.
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