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		<title>by: history_mom</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-480100</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I just watched the Bill Maher video. What a fucking tool.  Guess what asshole? My child has a RIGHT to be nourished with the best food I am able to provide him. If that is my breastmilk, then he has the RIGHT to be breastfed wherever and whenever he is hungry with whatever means are available. If YOU have a problem with it, grow the fuck up and look way douchebag.  Just because you see women as fucktoys for your own amusement and don't want to be bothered with the evidence that we are more than that does not mean that lactivists are the crazies here.

Sorry for the rant, but to compare breastfeeding to masturbation is both logically flawed and seriously twisted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just watched the Bill Maher video. What a fucking tool.  Guess what asshole? My child has a RIGHT to be nourished with the best food I am able to provide him. If that is my breastmilk, then he has the RIGHT to be breastfed wherever and whenever he is hungry with whatever means are available. If YOU have a problem with it, grow the fuck up and look way douchebag.  Just because you see women as fucktoys for your own amusement and don&#8217;t want to be bothered with the evidence that we are more than that does not mean that lactivists are the crazies here.</p>
	<p>Sorry for the rant, but to compare breastfeeding to masturbation is both logically flawed and seriously twisted.
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		<title>by: cminus, dark lord of castle nutella</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478815</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;
Not sure what the laws protecting nursing moms are in VA — they are pretty non-existant in DC — but afaik this is a new thing.
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Also from the department of new things, last month DC adopted a law to guarantee the right of mothers to nurse.  It's actually pretty strong: it prohibits discrimination against breast-feeding women, allows a woman to breast-feed anywhere she and the child are otherwise permitted to be, and requires employers to provide break time and a clean and private place (not a bathroom stall) to breast-feed or pump milk.

http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/images/00001/20071015114725.pdf
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Not sure what the laws protecting nursing moms are in VA — they are pretty non-existant in DC — but afaik this is a new thing.<br />
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	<p>Also from the department of new things, last month DC adopted a law to guarantee the right of mothers to nurse.  It&#8217;s actually pretty strong: it prohibits discrimination against breast-feeding women, allows a woman to breast-feed anywhere she and the child are otherwise permitted to be, and requires employers to provide break time and a clean and private place (not a bathroom stall) to breast-feed or pump milk.</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/images/00001/20071015114725.pdf' rel='nofollow'>http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/images/00001/20071015114725.pdf</a>
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		<title>by: Anna Phor</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478797</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>National airport (in DC -- well, technically, VA) has converted one of the disabled stalls in the women's room -- there's now a sign on the door saying &quot;nursing lounge&quot;. 

Uh, lounge?? Not sure what the laws protecting nursing moms are in VA -- they are pretty non-existant in DC -- but afaik this is a new thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>National airport (in DC &#8212; well, technically, VA) has converted one of the disabled stalls in the women&#8217;s room &#8212; there&#8217;s now a sign on the door saying &#8220;nursing lounge&#8221;. </p>
	<p>Uh, lounge?? Not sure what the laws protecting nursing moms are in VA &#8212; they are pretty non-existant in DC &#8212; but afaik this is a new thing.
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		<title>by: Song</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478717</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478717</guid>
					<description>Paul at #39 above has it right -- this breastfeeding-in-public &quot;controversy&quot; is fundamentally about people's right to be female in public.  It is driven by sexism far more than prudishness or politics in the usual sense.  

I'm more than a bit amazed that there is only one reference in all these comments to Bill Maher's infamous tirade against lactivism last fall.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa696L6M6Sw

(fast forward to 7:13)  

Proof positive (in case anyone needed reminding) that fear of the breast is a bipartisan condition.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Paul at #39 above has it right &#8212; this breastfeeding-in-public &#8220;controversy&#8221; is fundamentally about people&#8217;s right to be female in public.  It is driven by sexism far more than prudishness or politics in the usual sense.  </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m more than a bit amazed that there is only one reference in all these comments to Bill Maher&#8217;s infamous tirade against lactivism last fall.  </p>
	<p><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa696L6M6Sw' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa696L6M6Sw</a></p>
	<p>(fast forward to 7:13)  </p>
	<p>Proof positive (in case anyone needed reminding) that fear of the breast is a bipartisan condition.
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		<title>by: ks, queen mother of the peach pie</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478701</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d heard some of those writers and the crew talk about her “behavior” on set, of just “whipping it out,” and how that made them uncomfortable. Maybe she’d heard that do and didn’t want to “offend” any of them. I really don’t know, I never asked her directly I just thought it was odd.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I had a friend say something similar to me once, while I was feeding my son.  We were at a party and were sitting around outside talking/drinking and I was breastfeeding.  I did have him covered up, more because of the mosquitoes than for modesty, and my friend went on a little rant along the lines of why were other women as discreet as me and why did they all feel so comfortable just 'whipping it out' just to feed the kid.  Like how dare those women not take His!Personal!Comfort! into account before feeding their babies.  My husband just got that look on his face, like he felt sorry for the poor guy, because he knew what was coming next.  I came down on him like a ton of bricks and he never said anything like that in my hearing again.

Other than him (and a few of the husband's older relatives--all of mine knew better than to say anything to me), I never really had any issues when I was breastfeeding.  It isn't something I particularly enjoyed, as I'm not a cuddly person and I'm very territorial about my body, but it is best for the kid and it's much cheaper than formula (that stuff is very expensive).  But I did it and I wasn't about to let anyone tell me that I couldn't do it anywhere I was that the kid was hungry.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I like bathrooms that are clean and have couches on them in a little room to the side. I forgot which mall had that, it’s really neat looking, gives me a comfortable place to rest mid-shopping, away from The Male Gaze that are totally there. One of the washrooms at the university I go to have that too, and sometimes people nap on that couch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Our mall recently had major renovations done and one of the improvements was to add a 'family lounge' near the food court.  It's really nice.  They have several couches and armchairs, a tv playing nonstop cartoons, toys and a large rug for a play area, some curtained areas with comfy chairs and magazine racks for breastfeeding, a kid sized bathroom and an adult one, and a couple of microwaves and bottle warmers available.  Both moms and dads take kids in there, but it is mostly women.  There should be more of that sort of thing in public spaces, as far as I'm concerned.  Not that feeding in there should be mandatory (and it isn't), but it is a really nice space to get away from the crowds and let the kids and the parents have a breather. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I’d heard some of those writers and the crew talk about her “behavior” on set, of just “whipping it out,” and how that made them uncomfortable. Maybe she’d heard that do and didn’t want to “offend” any of them. I really don’t know, I never asked her directly I just thought it was odd.</p></blockquote>
	<p>I had a friend say something similar to me once, while I was feeding my son.  We were at a party and were sitting around outside talking/drinking and I was breastfeeding.  I did have him covered up, more because of the mosquitoes than for modesty, and my friend went on a little rant along the lines of why were other women as discreet as me and why did they all feel so comfortable just &#8216;whipping it out&#8217; just to feed the kid.  Like how dare those women not take His!Personal!Comfort! into account before feeding their babies.  My husband just got that look on his face, like he felt sorry for the poor guy, because he knew what was coming next.  I came down on him like a ton of bricks and he never said anything like that in my hearing again.</p>
	<p>Other than him (and a few of the husband&#8217;s older relatives&#8211;all of mine knew better than to say anything to me), I never really had any issues when I was breastfeeding.  It isn&#8217;t something I particularly enjoyed, as I&#8217;m not a cuddly person and I&#8217;m very territorial about my body, but it is best for the kid and it&#8217;s much cheaper than formula (that stuff is very expensive).  But I did it and I wasn&#8217;t about to let anyone tell me that I couldn&#8217;t do it anywhere I was that the kid was hungry.</p>
	<blockquote><p>I like bathrooms that are clean and have couches on them in a little room to the side. I forgot which mall had that, it’s really neat looking, gives me a comfortable place to rest mid-shopping, away from The Male Gaze that are totally there. One of the washrooms at the university I go to have that too, and sometimes people nap on that couch.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Our mall recently had major renovations done and one of the improvements was to add a &#8216;family lounge&#8217; near the food court.  It&#8217;s really nice.  They have several couches and armchairs, a tv playing nonstop cartoons, toys and a large rug for a play area, some curtained areas with comfy chairs and magazine racks for breastfeeding, a kid sized bathroom and an adult one, and a couple of microwaves and bottle warmers available.  Both moms and dads take kids in there, but it is mostly women.  There should be more of that sort of thing in public spaces, as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  Not that feeding in there should be mandatory (and it isn&#8217;t), but it is a really nice space to get away from the crowds and let the kids and the parents have a breather.
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		<title>by: somegirls</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478698</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>“I don’t think it’s “bodies are disgusting” so much as “secreting fluid is disgusting”, thus the comparisions they keep giving. ”

I'm not going to be very articulate here, because this is an incomplete thought.  But I don't think the disgust over breast-feeding has anything to do with bodies or secretions or sex per-se.  I think people (especially misogynists) have a distinct fear of mothering, which translates to distinctly feminine power.  What more naked act of mothering is there other than feeding a baby from the breast.  Just as the penis is a symbol for raw male power...

Bahhh!  I'm sounding all new-agey and old school feminist but I do believe there's something in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>“I don’t think it’s “bodies are disgusting” so much as “secreting fluid is disgusting”, thus the comparisions they keep giving. ”</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not going to be very articulate here, because this is an incomplete thought.  But I don&#8217;t think the disgust over breast-feeding has anything to do with bodies or secretions or sex per-se.  I think people (especially misogynists) have a distinct fear of mothering, which translates to distinctly feminine power.  What more naked act of mothering is there other than feeding a baby from the breast.  Just as the penis is a symbol for raw male power&#8230;</p>
	<p>Bahhh!  I&#8217;m sounding all new-agey and old school feminist but I do believe there&#8217;s something in there.
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		<title>by: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478686</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;I don’t think it’s “bodies are disgusting” so much as “secreting fluid is disgusting”, thus the comparisions they keep giving. &quot;

Maybe, but surely breastmilk is among the most inoffensive bodily fluids we secrete?  It doesn't smell bad, doesn't pose a health risk to anyone else etc.  I don't see what the problem is.

Anyway, it's milk.  All milk is a bodily fluid of some kind, whether it's from a human or a cow.  If bodily fluids are disgusting in public, then so is a bottle or a glass of milk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I don’t think it’s “bodies are disgusting” so much as “secreting fluid is disgusting”, thus the comparisions they keep giving. &#8221;</p>
	<p>Maybe, but surely breastmilk is among the most inoffensive bodily fluids we secrete?  It doesn&#8217;t smell bad, doesn&#8217;t pose a health risk to anyone else etc.  I don&#8217;t see what the problem is.</p>
	<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s milk.  All milk is a bodily fluid of some kind, whether it&#8217;s from a human or a cow.  If bodily fluids are disgusting in public, then so is a bottle or a glass of milk.
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		<title>by: the opoponax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478683</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t think it’s “bodies are disgusting” so much as “secreting fluid is disgusting”, thus the comparisions they keep giving.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, but as wacky as these people are, I don't notice any of them advocating that menstruating women should eat in the restroom.

Very few Americans think that one ought to retreat the the restroom to blow one's nose, or that you shouldn't leave the house if you have an allergy flare-up and think your nose might run a little.

Nobody's ever been kicked out of a restaurant for crying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I don’t think it’s “bodies are disgusting” so much as “secreting fluid is disgusting”, thus the comparisions they keep giving.</i></p>
	<p>Yeah, but as wacky as these people are, I don&#8217;t notice any of them advocating that menstruating women should eat in the restroom.</p>
	<p>Very few Americans think that one ought to retreat the the restroom to blow one&#8217;s nose, or that you shouldn&#8217;t leave the house if you have an allergy flare-up and think your nose might run a little.</p>
	<p>Nobody&#8217;s ever been kicked out of a restaurant for crying.
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		<title>by: Caren, Creator of Animorphic Pancakes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478672</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey, I'll give a shout-out to Nordstrom's.  They not only have a women's room with a giant lounge with couches and chairs, but a &lt;i&gt;separate nursing room&lt;/i&gt; with chairs and a changing table.  Both areas are smartly decorated and impeccably clean (unlike the nursing room at Babes &quot;R&quot; Us).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey, I&#8217;ll give a shout-out to Nordstrom&#8217;s.  They not only have a women&#8217;s room with a giant lounge with couches and chairs, but a <i>separate nursing room</i> with chairs and a changing table.  Both areas are smartly decorated and impeccably clean (unlike the nursing room at Babes &#8220;R&#8221; Us).
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		<title>by: E</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/04/more-fundie-fear-of-the-boobie/#comment-478669</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't think it's &quot;bodies are disgusting&quot; so much as &quot;secreting fluid is disgusting&quot;, thus the comparisions they keep giving. And they probably don't know that babies feed more than three times a day and aren't good at switching back and forth to bottled milk, so nursing wherever mothers happen to go is really not &quot;showing off&quot; or optional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s &#8220;bodies are disgusting&#8221; so much as &#8220;secreting fluid is disgusting&#8221;, thus the comparisions they keep giving. And they probably don&#8217;t know that babies feed more than three times a day and aren&#8217;t good at switching back and forth to bottled milk, so nursing wherever mothers happen to go is really not &#8220;showing off&#8221; or optional.
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