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		<title>by: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-478322</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;On the Dark Side–could Ron Paul be The First Evil? Unable to act directly; able to masquerade as anyone good or bad who is dead; popping up in the form of the good dead to spread dissension and demoralization; served by blind minions who see only through mystic runes, their natural eyes having been gouged out; has popped up before as a minor (one ep/Lib candidate ‘88) side theme that later mushrooms into a whole season arc…&lt;/i&gt;

Harmony?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>On the Dark Side–could Ron Paul be The First Evil? Unable to act directly; able to masquerade as anyone good or bad who is dead; popping up in the form of the good dead to spread dissension and demoralization; served by blind minions who see only through mystic runes, their natural eyes having been gouged out; has popped up before as a minor (one ep/Lib candidate ‘88) side theme that later mushrooms into a whole season arc…</i></p>
	<p>Harmony?
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		<title>by: Mark Foxwell</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-478319</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-478319</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the opoponax
January 2, 2008 at 6:12 pm 

I need to stay out of this thread, as I’m a recent Whedonverse convert and am only up to season 3!!! Willow’s dark side? Lalalalalaa, I can’t hear you! 
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Willow's &quot;dark side,&quot; so-called, is right there in her character from the beginning. I wouldn't call it that at all. She's moral, in that she cares about the consequences of her actions and those of others, but she isn't &lt;em&gt;ethical&lt;/em&gt;--she doesn't think &quot;the rules&quot; apply to her. From the very beginning, even though she's socially mousy and terrorized by the Mean Girls led by Cordelia, she's a successful hacker. I think you'll find that she changes her grades and stuff without any shame or remorse.

Getting stronger with magic, which she treats pretty much as another form of hacking, just makes it more likely that not following &quot;the rules&quot; (as handed down by people like Giles and Tara, who was apparently trained in some kind of Wiccan lore by her late mother) might indeed have dire consequences, so she gradually learns her own ethics. Which she also had cause to learn when she was a mere hacker, as a couple first/2nd season eps demonstrate.

So-called &quot;Evil Willow&quot; or &quot;Dark Willow&quot; was actually Grieving Willow.

On thread--I really can't see any Scoobie Gang in the Dems, more's the pity. Hoping Edwards can indeed be Buffy and that Gore will be Giles.

If only we had a Willow in the running; Hillary is definitely not it. Maybe Hillary is Cordelia?

On the Dark Side--could Ron Paul be The First Evil? Unable to act directly; able to masquerade as anyone good or bad who is dead; popping up in the form of the good dead to spread dissension and demoralization; served by blind minions who see only through mystic runes, their natural eyes having been gouged out; has popped up before as a minor (one ep/Lib candidate '88) side theme that later mushrooms into a whole season arc...

As a Christianist Libertarian, he certainly does seem to embody the very heart of what plauges us.

An alternative might be that he's Warren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>the opoponax<br />
January 2, 2008 at 6:12 pm </p>
	<p>I need to stay out of this thread, as I’m a recent Whedonverse convert and am only up to season 3!!! Willow’s dark side? Lalalalalaa, I can’t hear you!
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	<p>Willow&#8217;s &#8220;dark side,&#8221; so-called, is right there in her character from the beginning. I wouldn&#8217;t call it that at all. She&#8217;s moral, in that she cares about the consequences of her actions and those of others, but she isn&#8217;t <em>ethical</em>&#8211;she doesn&#8217;t think &#8220;the rules&#8221; apply to her. From the very beginning, even though she&#8217;s socially mousy and terrorized by the Mean Girls led by Cordelia, she&#8217;s a successful hacker. I think you&#8217;ll find that she changes her grades and stuff without any shame or remorse.</p>
	<p>Getting stronger with magic, which she treats pretty much as another form of hacking, just makes it more likely that not following &#8220;the rules&#8221; (as handed down by people like Giles and Tara, who was apparently trained in some kind of Wiccan lore by her late mother) might indeed have dire consequences, so she gradually learns her own ethics. Which she also had cause to learn when she was a mere hacker, as a couple first/2nd season eps demonstrate.</p>
	<p>So-called &#8220;Evil Willow&#8221; or &#8220;Dark Willow&#8221; was actually Grieving Willow.</p>
	<p>On thread&#8211;I really can&#8217;t see any Scoobie Gang in the Dems, more&#8217;s the pity. Hoping Edwards can indeed be Buffy and that Gore will be Giles.</p>
	<p>If only we had a Willow in the running; Hillary is definitely not it. Maybe Hillary is Cordelia?</p>
	<p>On the Dark Side&#8211;could Ron Paul be The First Evil? Unable to act directly; able to masquerade as anyone good or bad who is dead; popping up in the form of the good dead to spread dissension and demoralization; served by blind minions who see only through mystic runes, their natural eyes having been gouged out; has popped up before as a minor (one ep/Lib candidate &#8216;88) side theme that later mushrooms into a whole season arc&#8230;</p>
	<p>As a Christianist Libertarian, he certainly does seem to embody the very heart of what plauges us.</p>
	<p>An alternative might be that he&#8217;s Warren.
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		<title>by: Mercurial Georgia</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-478236</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think Edwards could definitely be the Buffy, in the beginning anyways, Buffy didn't exactly wake up a hero, she grew into it in Prophecy Girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think Edwards could definitely be the Buffy, in the beginning anyways, Buffy didn&#8217;t exactly wake up a hero, she grew into it in Prophecy Girl.
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		<title>by: holly the contrarian</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-478109</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I wish I could see Clinton as Willow.  Or, any of the Dems as the Scooby Gang.  Just. Can't.

Wait... PIaToR brought up Angel...

ha!  Clinton as Illyria.

Yes.  That is it.  Maybe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wish I could see Clinton as Willow.  Or, any of the Dems as the Scooby Gang.  Just. Can&#8217;t.</p>
	<p>Wait&#8230; PIaToR brought up Angel&#8230;</p>
	<p>ha!  Clinton as Illyria.</p>
	<p>Yes.  That is it.  Maybe&#8230;
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		<title>by: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-478044</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;You take that back! I won’t stand for Willow’s name, especially Willow’s dark side to be impugned like this! Clinton’s dark side is consists of obsequiousness as opposed to wrath.&lt;/i&gt;

So - Wesley then.

OPOPONAX LOOK AWAY RIGHT NOW:











Pre baby-stealing, throat slitted, Fred-courting Wesley of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>You take that back! I won’t stand for Willow’s name, especially Willow’s dark side to be impugned like this! Clinton’s dark side is consists of obsequiousness as opposed to wrath.</i></p>
	<p>So - Wesley then.</p>
	<p>OPOPONAX LOOK AWAY RIGHT NOW:</p>
	<p>Pre baby-stealing, throat slitted, Fred-courting Wesley of course.
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		<title>by: Rufustfyrfly, Anti-Pope of Bubble Tea</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-478026</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I certainly agree that there isn't really a Buffy amongst the Democrats.  How could you really have a Reluctant Chosen One amongst people vying for the presidency?

Hillary Clinton would have to be someone at the Watcher's Council.  Well meaning, but stuck in very Establishment ways.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I certainly agree that there isn&#8217;t really a Buffy amongst the Democrats.  How could you really have a Reluctant Chosen One amongst people vying for the presidency?</p>
	<p>Hillary Clinton would have to be someone at the Watcher&#8217;s Council.  Well meaning, but stuck in very Establishment ways.
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		<title>by: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-477985</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hilary Clinton is Spike. Used to be a real terror on the liberal side, Now has a chip in her head from her corporate masters&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He had the chip removed! He fought to get his soul back! Doesn't that mean anything?

Besides, I don't want to shag Hillary rotten...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Hilary Clinton is Spike. Used to be a real terror on the liberal side, Now has a chip in her head from her corporate masters</p></blockquote>
	<p>He had the chip removed! He fought to get his soul back! Doesn&#8217;t that mean anything?</p>
	<p>Besides, I don&#8217;t want to shag Hillary rotten&#8230;
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		<title>by: Mercurial Georgia</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-477945</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-477945</guid>
					<description>re: Karpad

...and then she checks into rehab where she will make a teary speech and then be forgiven...

Dude, I was such a Willow fan when she was just a cute geek with spunk, and then when she was growing into herself, but I stopped fangirling her the moment she went evil and messed with Tara's mind.  Willow went /crazy/ with regret and grief after Tara died, not evil, she was that BEFORE.

I think Tara is probably THE most beautiful AND tragic character in Buffyverse.  She's a woman, who grew up kind and wise and strong in spite of her family the pigs of the patriarchy...she's flawed, she risked everyone's lives to cover up some other flaw she's been told she have, BUT, she over comes that.  She finds a fellow witch AND a geek to fall in love with.

Then a demi-god messed with her mind.
Then the woman she loves and trust tells her to shut up and messed with her minded
Then she, after coming so far, in spite of all the trouble in her path, is just struck down like that, by someone who thinks of women as things, as a collateral damage no less.  Feels like futility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>re: Karpad</p>
	<p>&#8230;and then she checks into rehab where she will make a teary speech and then be forgiven&#8230;</p>
	<p>Dude, I was such a Willow fan when she was just a cute geek with spunk, and then when she was growing into herself, but I stopped fangirling her the moment she went evil and messed with Tara&#8217;s mind.  Willow went /crazy/ with regret and grief after Tara died, not evil, she was that BEFORE.</p>
	<p>I think Tara is probably THE most beautiful AND tragic character in Buffyverse.  She&#8217;s a woman, who grew up kind and wise and strong in spite of her family the pigs of the patriarchy&#8230;she&#8217;s flawed, she risked everyone&#8217;s lives to cover up some other flaw she&#8217;s been told she have, BUT, she over comes that.  She finds a fellow witch AND a geek to fall in love with.</p>
	<p>Then a demi-god messed with her mind.<br />
Then the woman she loves and trust tells her to shut up and messed with her minded<br />
Then she, after coming so far, in spite of all the trouble in her path, is just struck down like that, by someone who thinks of women as things, as a collateral damage no less.  Feels like futility.
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		<title>by: karpad</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-477903</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Willow’s dark side? Lalalalalaa, I can’t hear you!&lt;/i&gt;

It comes out of nowhere too. They're forming battle lines against the BBEG, trying to form a plan, and BOOM, she kills Dumbledore, right in front of Harry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Willow’s dark side? Lalalalalaa, I can’t hear you!</i></p>
	<p>It comes out of nowhere too. They&#8217;re forming battle lines against the BBEG, trying to form a plan, and BOOM, she kills Dumbledore, right in front of Harry.
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		<title>by: the opoponax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-477898</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/01/02/which-bloodsucker-would-you-pick-for-your-overlord/#comment-477898</guid>
					<description>I need to stay out of this thread, as I'm a recent Whedonverse convert and am only up to season 3!!!  Willow's dark side?  Lalalalalaa, I can't hear you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I need to stay out of this thread, as I&#8217;m a recent Whedonverse convert and am only up to season 3!!!  Willow&#8217;s dark side?  Lalalalalaa, I can&#8217;t hear you!
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