We have another live one here, this from a fellow who wasn’t happy with my post about the new creationism theme park planned across the pond in the U.K. by some fundies there (Are we exporting our creationism batsh*ttery?).
AH Trust is raising funds to construct a a 5,000-seat television studio that will produce and show family-friendly religious films. Merely bringing this news to the attention of the reality-based crowd here motivated this entertaining holiday damnation missive:
Subject: UK Creationist ParkNice. I think the references to “truth” found at Alan Chambers-led Exodus, and even better, Stephen Bennett Ministries, are worthy of protecting one’s keyboards.
From: “Russell Davis” (EMAIL REMOVED)
Date: Tue, December 25, 2007 12:55 am
To: pamDear Pam:
In Googling about the UK Creationist Park I found your sad site’s antiChrist fundamentalist regurgitated uncritically repeated lies about evolution and creation, and since it is rather the truth that sets us free wanted you to have it: www.answersinGenesis.org and www.trueorigin.org
Special refutation of the countless lies told about young-earth creationist Galileo (Newton was one too) can be seen at “The Galileo affair” www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i1/galileo.asp and “The Galileo twist” www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/galileo.asp
Both www.answersinGenesis.org and www.trueorigin.org are extensive in their refutation of the countless lies of evolution versus the countless proofs of creation (Answers in Genesis far more exhaustively) as the only true scientific or reasonable position only opposed by the elite antiChrist lovers of perversion who are the ringleaders mindlessly and uncritically followed by their sycophants, like the gullible who also fall for the “homophobia” nonsense refuted by “The “gay” invention” at http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f
You’re really embracing the phobia of the homoerotic by guaranteeing their death from AIDS in refusing to confront them with the truth of their certain fatal condition (typical for egotistical postmoderns), making you and your blog accomplices to their death for which you will answer to God their Creator.
Because God will have mercy on whomever He will (Romans 9), including me and you, also seen in the many testimonies of His rescuing of the “ex-gays” you blindly without reality or facts (merely the uncritically regurgitated propaganda of today’s outdated old lying fascist media (like the NYT) still losing market share) pretend don’t exist in your unreality zone but refuted by the truth of thousands at places like www.exodus.to and www.sbministries.org and “Michael Glatze … no longer a homosexual, and many others), I invite you to visit www.desiringGod.org to see the riches of the true Christian faith of which you have likely no idea, better than I could. In recent weeks (beginning 11/18/2007, see www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2007/) Pastor John’s started a sermon series on the “new birth” of the truly “born again” Christian that I pray might be an entrance for you to heaven forever with God through Jesus Christ His Son.
God bless you and Merry Christmas,
Russ Davis
Happy Holidays to you, Mr. Davis!
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What is it with these guys and their piling on of adjectives? I mean “elite antiChrist lovers of perversion”, geez Louise.
Well, you sure Feel Teh Love from THAT Christian. Good show, old boy!
It’s like you have to clean off the desperate spittle on the INSIDE of the monitor……
Do you think if there was an answerinStephanJayGould’sessays site, he would read? Or comprehend if he did?
Sam, it’d take at least another ten, twelve years of education before he’d even be ABLE to read Gould, another forty years before he’d have te background to understand it.
And by then he’d be a drooling idiot.
Again.
That’s all we needed in England, US style fundies.
An interesting yet scary thing: those of us who are progressive and care about the world’s affairs are forced to keep an eye on the US crazies, because whatever the fuck they do, we’ll end up having our own crazies immitating it.
Maybe it’s just me, but there seems to be several sentences in that e-mail that just don’t make sense, not to mention words that seem like they’ve been tacked on only because the writer suscribes to the schoolyard notion that turning around the vocabulary of criticism, no matter how inappropriate, is clever.
You rang?
So nice of these folks to send along warm regards in the holiday spirit, eh, Pam? Sometimes it IS better to receive than get! What swell guys.
Seriously, these photos completely creep me out- besides, I’d rather mentally feast on Pam’s “regurgitations” than their shit.
Merry/Merry!!
Although it’s a chicken or egg situation, I think the notion that gays can be turned straight comes from the homophobic notion that straight people can be turned gay , whether by osmosis, proselytizing, or whatever. “Straight” people “turning gay” are most likely gay people who unsuccessfully tried to live as a straight, for the obvious reasons: fit into society, meet parental expectations, etc. This happened to four of the older folks I know, who had been married and now have same sex partners.
The bottom line is that people who think one’s sexuality can be changed are most likely people ashamed of their same-sex attraction.
LOL! Reading out-loud the part about how you + all of us are responsible for the death of all gay people made me realize: THIS SHIT MAKES NO SENSE. I guess he succeeded in letting us know what he wanted to say, but…technically speaking…WTF, dude.
That guy sure knows how to torture an English sentence.
These people make me SO ANGRY. It’s idiocy like that that leads people to assume that thinking, loving, serious christians share these closed-minded positions and are just waiting for the opportunity to share them condescendingly.
Gah. People like this give Christianity a bad name. (Yes, I am one, but I would never spout such unloving nonsense as this.)
Alan Chambers is “perhaps in remission”? We’re not talking about cancer, idjits.
Gah. People like this give Christianity a bad name. (Yes, I am one, but I would never spout such unloving nonsense as this.)
Alan Chambers is “perhaps in remission”? We’re not talking about cancer, idjits.
Oops. Sorry for double-dipping…sometimes I can’t read the anti-spam numbers very well.
I totally agree.
Now, on the off-chance that Davis might be reading this, I’m gonna respond to this point by point. Even if he isn’t, I wanna do it anyway, just to vent.
Thanks, but I think I’ll still put my money on evolution. And you know what, Mr. Davis? Even if it somehow turns out that I’m entirely wrong about that, as far as I know it’s not a sin to be mistaken.
Eep. AntiChrist lovers of perversion? That’s just a teensy bit harsh, isn’t it? Unless it’s true, of course, so I must ask: have you guys been throwing perverted antiChrist-loving parties without inviting me? ‘Cause that would really hurt my feelings, being left out like that.
You know what, I don’t have the mental or emotional stamina to look at that article. I’m just going to guess it’s full of infuriating BS and take a pass. Homophobia is real, Mr. Davis. If you or anybody you are aware of feels uncomfortable around gay people for no good reason, that is homophobia. It happens, therefore it isn’t “nonsense.” And you know, if you’re uncomfortable around somebody who does not wish you any discomfort or pain and is doing their best not to antagonize you, that’s not good. If you, on the other hand, intentionally cause them discomfort or pain, or antagonize them, that’s even worse.
Hey, genius. Breaking news: you do not get AIDS because you’re sleeping with somebody of the same gender as yourself.
You know what, pal, I have a link for YOU. http://mrcranky.com/movies/starparkerignorati.html He makes some good points, but if you have as little inclination to click on my link as I do on yours, here is possibly the most relevant one to this topic:
“…Parker has located a former gay person who’s no longer gay because he’s been healed through the power of prayer. Obviously, because this formerly gay person is no longer gay, that means that all gay people can be healed of their gayness through the power of Jesus Christ.
“This is a common tack of the fascist religious right these days and it’s being bought hook, line, and sinker by every undereducated moron whose ignorance has become a defense of their hypocrisy. Basically, here s how their logic works: if 100 people say the sun sets in the West, but we can find 1 person who says it sets in the east then we can say that the sun sets in the east.”
I won’t go so far as to call you a liar, Mr. Davis. For all I know, this Michael Glatze may actually somehow be straight now. Anything’s possible. If he somehow changed, and if that’s what he wanted (instead of what he was pressured into forcing on himself), and if he’s happy with who he is, then great. It’s not my place to tell him how to live, just as it isn’t your place to tell others how to live. It’s not my place to tell him what his orientation should be any more than it is yours. But what you need to realize, Mr. Davis, is that people like Glatze, if they are indeed no longer gay as you claim, are the exception. They’re the single person who sees the sun setting in the east when the other ninety-nine see it setting in the west.
There are tons of people who would make their sexual orientation and/or sexuality “normal” if it were as simple as you make it sound. I used to be one of them before I gave up. It isn’t that simple. You are asking either the impossible or the EXTREMELY difficult. You’re asking it not only of people who wish they could change, but asking it of people who are at peace with their natures and have found happiness. Why?! Mind your own fucking business.
I’ll ask of you the same thing that’s often asked of gay people. Perhaps it’s a rude request; if so, consider it reciprocation for your own words. Here is my request: you feel free to engage in whatever rituals you like behind closed doors, whether in your home or in your church. Whatever floats your boat, but keep it in the appropriate venues and don’t preach in public to those who don’t want to hear it. Don’t tell them what to do, and don’t tell them terrible things will happen to them if they don’t listen to you. If and when they’re interested in hearing what you have to say, they’ll let you know.
Merry fucking Christmas, jerk.
He’s claiming Galileo on the side of “Young Earth” theory?
Would that have been before, or after, Galileo was shown the instruments of torture by the Inquisition?
I have both a gay brother and sister, and at four years old my sister announced, “I’m going to be a boy when I grow up.”
When I contradicted her, told her she’d grow up to be a woman, she started a fist fight.
Sis may not have had the correct terminology at four, but she obviously knew who she was.
There’s no such thing as an ex-gay: just a miserable closet case.
The writer, with his cheery Christmas letter, certainly sounds miserable enough.
Flame Warriors by Mike Reed
Enjoy!
Wow, what utter shit
after I got one “evolution is a lie” Christers comments I put the NCSE symbol on my blog with “This blog supports SCIENCE education and the NCSE” amd a link straight to them.
cuz I’, rather tired of arguing with people who can’t see the difference between religion and science.
http://orestia.blogspot.com
Thanks, Ms. Kate.
I haven’t looked at them all, but I think that I might be some kind of mutant cross between a Bliss Ninny and a Tireless Rebutter, if that’s possible.
. . . [someone other than Mr. Davis’s] regurgitated uncritically repeated lies . . .
Now, there’s a man with no sense of irony.
In particular, you notice Mr. Davis makes absolutely no arguments of his own–it’s all “look at these websites, they do all my thinking for me.” (1)
It’s one thing to believe in God. (2) But if you’re convinced that there’s a omniscient Supreme Being who has nothing better to do than critique your sex life . . . face it, you’ve never given the matter a moment’s thought, just took some guilt-mongering hustler’s word for everything.
However, having said this: Mr. Davis, it does not apply to you. In your case, whoever told you that those things you try not to think about—involving your privates and someone else’s mouth—was right: God would be horrified if you acted on them. Simply horrified.
And a century from now, while the rest of us are frying in Hell for the vile sin of having given pleasure to the people we love, you will be lying in a peaceful grave, enjoying the sex life you deserve—no doubt identical to the one you have now.
(1) To his credit, he at least didn’t—as true believers like himself are wont—attempt to express himself by cutting and pasting enormous chunks of text from some site from which they get all their opinions; usually, they don’t bother with attribution in these cases, either because they’re trying to pass it off as some sort of original thought, or (more likely) because they’re so boorish that their social graces simply don’t extend to giving credit where it’s due.
(2) Given the limitations in our perceptions, I find it hard to completely ‘86 the possibility of God/gods as energies with intelligences, especially since, even in the most atheistic light, we are forms of energy with intelligences. Energy that can experience, among other things, pleasure. Grief. Dinner. How weird is that?
Ahhhh! The teeth! The TEETH!!!
Pam, you should really put up a warning before posting that damn picture of the GLOWING TEETH.
Ahhh. My retinas!
Topic? Oh, more bullshit from idiot Neo-Pharisees damning sinners instead of embracing them as their messiah did.
Is it just more do as I say not as I do? Or that I think I do?
Why do I do it? Why do I go to sites that I KNOW will just piss me off with their idiocy?
From answersinGenesis:
So, those evil yellow-faced folk weren’t really more advanced than Europeans–they just listened to their European missionaries. They didn’t have science at all, actually, they just took credit for the Jesuits! They were so grateful for astronomy that they gave them exclusive license for the Silk Road! Ya-huh!I bet if I look further, I’ll find bestiality. It always comes down to man-on-dog eventually.
I’m going to call my band the Egotistical Postmoderns.
Don’t y’all just love how these right wing homophobes can insist that homosexuality is some sort of learned behavior which can be changed and then insist that gender roles that really only existed in 1950s TV shows are inborn? Then they’ll go on and on about how homosexuality is a perversion because so many homosexuals are unhappy, have adjustment issues, etc. — as if discrimination against gays might not be an issue?
Of course, these are the same people who threaten abortion clinics, including people coming to those clinics for reasons other than abortions, and then wonder “if abortion is just another operation, why don’t they do it at hospitals?”.
I’m sure back in the day these were the same sorts of people that made sure the only profession open to Jews was money lending and then complained about Jewish usurers.
BTW … is this phrase:
You’re really embracing the phobia of the homoerotic
A tell? Perhaps for these people trying to pass as straight and picking up random dudes in bathrooms, for example, is erotic. As others have pointed out, as more gays are comfortable being out of the closet, you’ll see less cruising in bathrooms. Which means that the outlet these guys prefer would diminish.
So maybe to them our insistence that gays are just like straights takes the erotic tension out of gay encounters for these people? So to them we really are afraid of what they consider to be homoerotic?
Hmmm…. text loss
Hokay,
I just want to know if you were going to tour with the Effete Corps of impudent Snobs.
Charlie’s band would be “Israel and the Palistinians”…
Agreed, Bonnie. Some of my dearest friends in our little town are very devout Christians and the sweetest of people- they know we are not religious at all and we simply “live and let live” on the issue. No big deal at all.
Although I have privately thought it a bit amusing that there are at least 4 divorces in their immediate family and none in mine…
Whatever. I’m surely glad this guy is not my neighbour. As someone not planning to be an ex-gay, he’d no doubt be slipping “salvation literature” under my door, at every turn! Yuk. Go away nasty man.
Well, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I take pride in being an elite antiChrist lover of perversion.
It’s NEW YEARS EVE and I’m alrady drunk enough to not have the patience or focus (I mean with my crappy eyes) to have read that schmuck’s BS. All I gotta say right now is WOWEE that dude sure has some WHITE TEETH!
Man I had teeth like that I wouldn’t need a headlight on my bicycle.
HAPPY NEW YEARS!!!!!!
And the Elite Lovers of Perversion will be the warm up.
I love he said “Elite”.
1. (uncountable) A special group or social class of people which have a superior intellectual, social or economic status as, the elite of society.
2. (countable) Someone who is among the best at certain task.
WE’RE AT THE TOP OF THE GAME, BABY! WE’RE THE BEST ANTICHRIST LOVERS OF PERVERSION AROUND! WATCH OUT YOU SUBPAR, SUBSTANDARD, WANNABE ANTICHRIST LOVERS OF PERVERSIONS! YOUR TIME IS UP, THE ELITE ARE HERE!!
really?