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	<title>Comments on: Pennsylvania fundie: Homo Agenda using Christmas as cover to pass anti-discrimination measure</title>
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		<title>by: JoAnne</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Toilet fear was a big part of the anti-ERA campaign.  They convinced a lot of people that Equal Rights meant men in the women's room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Toilet fear was a big part of the anti-ERA campaign.  They convinced a lot of people that Equal Rights meant men in the women&#8217;s room.
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		<title>by: drakyn</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/23/pennsylvania-fundie-homo-agenda-using-christmas-as-cover-to-pass-anti-discrimination-measure/#comment-476272</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You know Ema, most trans*guys preffer to stay out of women's restrooms so this sort of measure helps to prevent guys from going into the women's room! 
It also helps women, specifically trans*women, from being forced to hold it or face violence in the men's room. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You know Ema, most trans*guys preffer to stay out of women&#8217;s restrooms so this sort of measure helps to prevent guys from going into the women&#8217;s room!<br />
It also helps women, specifically trans*women, from being forced to hold it or face violence in the men&#8217;s room.
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		<title>by: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/23/pennsylvania-fundie-homo-agenda-using-christmas-as-cover-to-pass-anti-discrimination-measure/#comment-476242</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>bekabot:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Stuff like this, IMO, isn’t even bullshit: what it is, is an expression of the kind of visceral disgust that claims no justification and needs none. It’s the modern-day version of: “…and then they’ll sit down next to us at lunch counters just as nonchalant as you please and then horrible things will happen.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It just occured to me that this attitude can be expressed as a &lt;i&gt;South Park&lt;/i&gt;-ism:

1) Gays in the workplace.
2) ???
3) Chaos!

This worldview relies on a whole string of wacky non-sequiturs and the assumption that no one will ever question them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>bekabot:</p>
	<blockquote><p>Stuff like this, IMO, isn’t even bullshit: what it is, is an expression of the kind of visceral disgust that claims no justification and needs none. It’s the modern-day version of: “…and then they’ll sit down next to us at lunch counters just as nonchalant as you please and then horrible things will happen.”</p></blockquote>
	<p>It just occured to me that this attitude can be expressed as a <i>South Park</i>-ism:</p>
	<p>1) Gays in the workplace.<br />
2) ???<br />
3) Chaos!</p>
	<p>This worldview relies on a whole string of wacky non-sequiturs and the assumption that no one will ever question them.
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		<title>by: bekabot</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/23/pennsylvania-fundie-homo-agenda-using-christmas-as-cover-to-pass-anti-discrimination-measure/#comment-476228</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s high time the AFA started a new chapter, the American Family Toilet Rights Association.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

That's not as unreasonable as it might at first sound, because the actual position held by organizations like the American Family Association (though they'll never admit it) is that bathroom fixtures have about as much will, intelligence, and decision-making capacity as most human beings.  Women are out of the picture because we're mysteriously &quot;threatened&quot; by the presence of XY individuals in or near the places we pick out to pee, even though we come into contact with dozens, scores or hundreds of such individuals every day, and men are out of the picture because their sense of protectiveness/ownership is so acute that the mere &lt;em&gt;notion&lt;/em&gt; of something like that happening is enough to make them run berserk.  IOW: neither sex can be trusted; both sexes have to be &lt;em&gt;ruled&lt;/em&gt;---by &lt;em&gt;somebody&lt;/em&gt;, somehow. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;(Though it’s pretty funny in the sense that it delineates as Thug Life Rapists men who by definition don’t have a sexual interest in women.)

Insert obligatory pointing out that some transwomen are lesbians, not that that’s relevant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know what you mean, and perhaps I ought to have chosen a better way to make my point, but I'm fairly sure we're fundamentally in agreement insofar as what I was getting at is that this entire &lt;em&gt;idea&lt;/em&gt; is Teh Stupid sans alloy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>It’s high time the AFA started a new chapter, the American Family Toilet Rights Association.</p></blockquote>
	<p>That&#8217;s not as unreasonable as it might at first sound, because the actual position held by organizations like the American Family Association (though they&#8217;ll never admit it) is that bathroom fixtures have about as much will, intelligence, and decision-making capacity as most human beings.  Women are out of the picture because we&#8217;re mysteriously &#8220;threatened&#8221; by the presence of XY individuals in or near the places we pick out to pee, even though we come into contact with dozens, scores or hundreds of such individuals every day, and men are out of the picture because their sense of protectiveness/ownership is so acute that the mere <em>notion</em> of something like that happening is enough to make them run berserk.  IOW: neither sex can be trusted; both sexes have to be <em>ruled</em>&#8212;by <em>somebody</em>, somehow. </p>
	<blockquote><p>(Though it’s pretty funny in the sense that it delineates as Thug Life Rapists men who by definition don’t have a sexual interest in women.)</p>
	<p>Insert obligatory pointing out that some transwomen are lesbians, not that that’s relevant.</p></blockquote>
	<p>I know what you mean, and perhaps I ought to have chosen a better way to make my point, but I&#8217;m fairly sure we&#8217;re fundamentally in agreement insofar as what I was getting at is that this entire <em>idea</em> is Teh Stupid sans alloy.
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		<title>by: zombie z</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This reminds me of the time the Onion wrote that article about gay recruitment and all the Christian organizations flipped the fuck out... 

Also: my boss already thinks I'm a sinner**, and has occassionally inserted her inappopriate ideas of personal advice into otherwise work situations, but it didn't make her fire me. 

**Young &amp;amp; unmarried but lived with a guy anyway. ONOES. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This reminds me of the time the Onion wrote that article about gay recruitment and all the Christian organizations flipped the fuck out&#8230; </p>
	<p>Also: my boss already thinks I&#8217;m a sinner**, and has occassionally inserted her inappopriate ideas of personal advice into otherwise work situations, but it didn&#8217;t make her fire me. </p>
	<p>**Young &amp; unmarried but lived with a guy anyway. ONOES.
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		<title>by: Matthew, Patron Saint of Affogato</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maybe I shouldn't have included that last paragraph... they might get ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe I shouldn&#8217;t have included that last paragraph&#8230; they might get ideas.
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		<title>by: Matthew, Patron Saint of Affogato</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/23/pennsylvania-fundie-homo-agenda-using-christmas-as-cover-to-pass-anti-discrimination-measure/#comment-476221</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yeah, heaven forbid that people use the &quot;cover&quot; of celebrating the birth of Jesus, who preached about accepting societies outcasts, to pass laws about accepting members of society who are on the fringes into the workplace.

I mean, that runs totally counter to Jesus' teachings, to accept marginalized members... of... oh, wait, uh... are these people really Christian? That's what I want to know. 'Cause if they make that claim, they got a whole lot of studying to do. Maybe afterwards they should sit in the corner for a while to think about what they've done.

In other news, these laws are good things to have (in my not so humble as it should be opinion). But they still won't prevent employers from firing whomever they want to fire. You can always find a reason. It just can't be &quot;omg he's GAY' anymore is all. If that's the real reason, I'm sure any reasonably creative employer can come up with a convincing smokescreen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, heaven forbid that people use the &#8220;cover&#8221; of celebrating the birth of Jesus, who preached about accepting societies outcasts, to pass laws about accepting members of society who are on the fringes into the workplace.</p>
	<p>I mean, that runs totally counter to Jesus&#8217; teachings, to accept marginalized members&#8230; of&#8230; oh, wait, uh&#8230; are these people really Christian? That&#8217;s what I want to know. &#8216;Cause if they make that claim, they got a whole lot of studying to do. Maybe afterwards they should sit in the corner for a while to think about what they&#8217;ve done.</p>
	<p>In other news, these laws are good things to have (in my not so humble as it should be opinion). But they still won&#8217;t prevent employers from firing whomever they want to fire. You can always find a reason. It just can&#8217;t be &#8220;omg he&#8217;s GAY&#8217; anymore is all. If that&#8217;s the real reason, I&#8217;m sure any reasonably creative employer can come up with a convincing smokescreen.
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		<title>by: stormkite</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>C'mon, these guys worship their own dicks and demand that their women do, too. They're absolutely terrified that any woman who belongs to them will get a look at another dick and decide she's a devotee of a lesser god, and want to convert.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>C&#8217;mon, these guys worship their own dicks and demand that their women do, too. They&#8217;re absolutely terrified that any woman who belongs to them will get a look at another dick and decide she&#8217;s a devotee of a lesser god, and want to convert.
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		<title>by: Mark Foxwell</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As a personal care provider for a disabled woman for a decade and a half, I more often went into women's than men's public restrooms, because those are the ones Natasha preferred to go to. I figured both out of courtesy and professionalism I shouldn't look around unnecessisarily when conveying her to a stall, but one must after all navigate somehow, and I confess freely I always sort of hoped I'd see something I shouldn't. 

But oddly enough, I never saw anything there I couldn't see outside the restrooms. For that matter, I've never really seen much of men's private parts in men's restrooms either, despite the openness of urinal stalls. That has to be deliberate not-looking of course.

Worrying about restrooms therefore strikes me as either disingenuous or evidence of wacky obsessions. IRL they are boring places.

As Isaac Asimov once wrote in &lt;i&gt;Murder at the ABA&lt;/i&gt;, &quot;they [women] always do come back from the ladies' room. Its charms are limited, apparently.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a personal care provider for a disabled woman for a decade and a half, I more often went into women&#8217;s than men&#8217;s public restrooms, because those are the ones Natasha preferred to go to. I figured both out of courtesy and professionalism I shouldn&#8217;t look around unnecessisarily when conveying her to a stall, but one must after all navigate somehow, and I confess freely I always sort of hoped I&#8217;d see something I shouldn&#8217;t. </p>
	<p>But oddly enough, I never saw anything there I couldn&#8217;t see outside the restrooms. For that matter, I&#8217;ve never really seen much of men&#8217;s private parts in men&#8217;s restrooms either, despite the openness of urinal stalls. That has to be deliberate not-looking of course.</p>
	<p>Worrying about restrooms therefore strikes me as either disingenuous or evidence of wacky obsessions. IRL they are boring places.</p>
	<p>As Isaac Asimov once wrote in <i>Murder at the ABA</i>, &#8220;they [women] always do come back from the ladies&#8217; room. Its charms are limited, apparently.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Louise, Bringer of Party Platters and Heinekens</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/23/pennsylvania-fundie-homo-agenda-using-christmas-as-cover-to-pass-anti-discrimination-measure/#comment-476201</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;That having been said, if someone performs their tasks well and gets along with their fellows at work, firing them for some extra-professional reason is just plain wrong. Who doesn’t understand that?&quot;

You mean, BESIDES the US Military machine? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;That having been said, if someone performs their tasks well and gets along with their fellows at work, firing them for some extra-professional reason is just plain wrong. Who doesn’t understand that?&#8221;</p>
	<p>You mean, BESIDES the US Military machine?
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