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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's kind of odd when I think about it, but as a white woman going to white hairdressers, it was really hard for me to find one who didn't want to immediately change my hair texture or (even worse) didn't have a clue how to cut straight, fine, thick hair like mine.  I've had much better luck with hairdressers who trained in Asia because they seem to &quot;get&quot; straight hair more.

On the black hair front, I wish there were a glamorous African-American woman out there who treated her hair the way Carl Reiner used to treat his toupee -- strictly as an accessory.  Sometimes he'd wear it, sometimes he wouldn't, and he basically dared people to comment on it.  Sometimes he'd even doff it like a hat when he took a bow.

I know, I'm dreaming if I think that could happen in our society with our media.  But a girl can dream, can't she?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s kind of odd when I think about it, but as a white woman going to white hairdressers, it was really hard for me to find one who didn&#8217;t want to immediately change my hair texture or (even worse) didn&#8217;t have a clue how to cut straight, fine, thick hair like mine.  I&#8217;ve had much better luck with hairdressers who trained in Asia because they seem to &#8220;get&#8221; straight hair more.</p>
	<p>On the black hair front, I wish there were a glamorous African-American woman out there who treated her hair the way Carl Reiner used to treat his toupee &#8212; strictly as an accessory.  Sometimes he&#8217;d wear it, sometimes he wouldn&#8217;t, and he basically dared people to comment on it.  Sometimes he&#8217;d even doff it like a hat when he took a bow.</p>
	<p>I know, I&#8217;m dreaming if I think that could happen in our society with our media.  But a girl can dream, can&#8217;t she?
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		<title>by: Red Stapler</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>@Shasta: You are absolutely gorgeous.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@Shasta: You are absolutely gorgeous.</p>
	<p>Nothing else to add. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;EH? I think the issue is the guy, not the hair. I don’t know what his dealie was about touching them, there’s nothing mysterious about it — it’s just hair. As for wrapping it up at night, if his locs were really long or heavy, he may have done that to reduce the chances of them breaking at the scalp. Mine are shoulder length and I just put them in a pony tail at night, or if I want them to curl the next day, spritz them, separate them into groups of 4 or 5, twist those together and put a bandanna on. Undo them the next day and off I go.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for clearing that up for me. He gave me the impression that i would seriously mess up his dreads if i touched them.  His hair was just past his collar and always wrapped it up the way Lucy(I Love Lucy)would when doing heavy housework, before going to bed. He instilled a fear in me of dating guys with dreads.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>EH? I think the issue is the guy, not the hair. I don’t know what his dealie was about touching them, there’s nothing mysterious about it — it’s just hair. As for wrapping it up at night, if his locs were really long or heavy, he may have done that to reduce the chances of them breaking at the scalp. Mine are shoulder length and I just put them in a pony tail at night, or if I want them to curl the next day, spritz them, separate them into groups of 4 or 5, twist those together and put a bandanna on. Undo them the next day and off I go.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Thanks for clearing that up for me. He gave me the impression that i would seriously mess up his dreads if i touched them.  His hair was just past his collar and always wrapped it up the way Lucy(I Love Lucy)would when doing heavy housework, before going to bed. He instilled a fear in me of dating guys with dreads.
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		<title>by: beth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think my hair is probably like Orange's, thin fine flat; I had a hairdresser tell me once, &quot;you have absolutely the *limpest* hair I have ever seen.&quot;  As a white woman, I didn't have to suffer from racial implications of my hgair, but when I think of all the cumulative time I spent trying to get my hair to DO something, anything (the products, the perms, the blowdrying, the curlers, the clips and combs that all just slid right out)....what a waste!  I finally came to my senses -- now it's just straight and limp and I don't give a rat's ass, I just put it in a ponytail and get on with my life.

Tlazolteotl, I agree about your idea of a gorgeous head of black hair, I have always LOVED the look of the natural 70's afro!  And I was thinking about this woman here where I work, and the first time I saw her: She's very tall and was wearing some tall shoes on top of that, bright clothes and this big beautiful afro, and I was just stunned by how GORGEOUS she looked -- so bold and powerful, a downright Amazon!  Wow!  and I was thinking about that when I read Serena's comment:

&lt;blockquote&gt; but seriously, why should black people’s hair even *be able* to intimidate white people?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and I consider that comment in light of the words that pop into my head when I describe my co-worker's look: bold, proud, powerful.... well, serena, there's your answer right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think my hair is probably like Orange&#8217;s, thin fine flat; I had a hairdresser tell me once, &#8220;you have absolutely the *limpest* hair I have ever seen.&#8221;  As a white woman, I didn&#8217;t have to suffer from racial implications of my hgair, but when I think of all the cumulative time I spent trying to get my hair to DO something, anything (the products, the perms, the blowdrying, the curlers, the clips and combs that all just slid right out)&#8230;.what a waste!  I finally came to my senses &#8212; now it&#8217;s just straight and limp and I don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass, I just put it in a ponytail and get on with my life.</p>
	<p>Tlazolteotl, I agree about your idea of a gorgeous head of black hair, I have always LOVED the look of the natural 70&#8217;s afro!  And I was thinking about this woman here where I work, and the first time I saw her: She&#8217;s very tall and was wearing some tall shoes on top of that, bright clothes and this big beautiful afro, and I was just stunned by how GORGEOUS she looked &#8212; so bold and powerful, a downright Amazon!  Wow!  and I was thinking about that when I read Serena&#8217;s comment:</p>
	<blockquote><p> but seriously, why should black people’s hair even *be able* to intimidate white people?</p></blockquote>
	<p>and I consider that comment in light of the words that pop into my head when I describe my co-worker&#8217;s look: bold, proud, powerful&#8230;. well, serena, there&#8217;s your answer right there.
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		<title>by: Olivia</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Being a somewhat ingnorant white girl because I didn't grow up aroung people of color, I have been surprised to learn how early the processing of hair for black women begins.  The daughter of a Nigerian friends (they have lived in the U.S. for 15 yrs) has extensions braided into her hair, and she's only 8 years old.  I was also surpised that influence or pressure to straighten or add extensions reaches even African countries with very little white population. 

I witnessed the hassle and pain of removing the extions once in preperation for a new set, and I was saddened by how damaged the natural hair was.  I expect my future children to have pretty kinky hair like their Nigerian dad, and I have vowed not to do that to their hair.

As a side note, I wish more women would be happy with the hair they have.  I have finally accepted my straight, no volume hair for what it is, and it has made all the difference in how much money and time I spend on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Being a somewhat ingnorant white girl because I didn&#8217;t grow up aroung people of color, I have been surprised to learn how early the processing of hair for black women begins.  The daughter of a Nigerian friends (they have lived in the U.S. for 15 yrs) has extensions braided into her hair, and she&#8217;s only 8 years old.  I was also surpised that influence or pressure to straighten or add extensions reaches even African countries with very little white population. </p>
	<p>I witnessed the hassle and pain of removing the extions once in preperation for a new set, and I was saddened by how damaged the natural hair was.  I expect my future children to have pretty kinky hair like their Nigerian dad, and I have vowed not to do that to their hair.</p>
	<p>As a side note, I wish more women would be happy with the hair they have.  I have finally accepted my straight, no volume hair for what it is, and it has made all the difference in how much money and time I spend on it.
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		<title>by: Sniper</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;has the right to react with fear and anger to the hair that grows out of your head– regardless of what you do with it, they reserve that right? that’s nutty. &lt;/i&gt;

Not only nutty, but kind of hilarious if you starting thinking about hair-fu as a martial art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>has the right to react with fear and anger to the hair that grows out of your head– regardless of what you do with it, they reserve that right? that’s nutty. </i></p>
	<p>Not only nutty, but kind of hilarious if you starting thinking about hair-fu as a martial art.
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		<title>by: serena kitt</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jill Scott is such a hair diva. she's a woman of size, so i think she's learned to adapt to expectations when she feels like it and throw other expectations out the window. Same with Angie Stone, too-- back in the day, she had some serious hair. it says a lot that most of the women Ebony chose are skinny and popular along with their straight hair, rather than coming from slightly-harder-to-find venues where they wouldn't fit the selling-hair-and-beauty-products purpose of the magazine.

i think Donna Edwards is a good candidate, but seriously, why should black people's hair even *be able* to intimidate white people? think about that: someone has the right to react with fear and anger to the hair that grows out of your head-- regardless of what you do with it, they reserve that right? that's nutty. it smacks of a sense of ownership over other people's bodies, and the fact that the fear-and-anger response is tempered only by looking &quot;sexy&quot; really says what that sense of ownership is for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jill Scott is such a hair diva. she&#8217;s a woman of size, so i think she&#8217;s learned to adapt to expectations when she feels like it and throw other expectations out the window. Same with Angie Stone, too&#8211; back in the day, she had some serious hair. it says a lot that most of the women Ebony chose are skinny and popular along with their straight hair, rather than coming from slightly-harder-to-find venues where they wouldn&#8217;t fit the selling-hair-and-beauty-products purpose of the magazine.</p>
	<p>i think Donna Edwards is a good candidate, but seriously, why should black people&#8217;s hair even *be able* to intimidate white people? think about that: someone has the right to react with fear and anger to the hair that grows out of your head&#8211; regardless of what you do with it, they reserve that right? that&#8217;s nutty. it smacks of a sense of ownership over other people&#8217;s bodies, and the fact that the fear-and-anger response is tempered only by looking &#8220;sexy&#8221; really says what that sense of ownership is for.
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		<title>by: Pam Spaulding</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I gave my godmother Crowns for Christmas one year. I haven't seen Queens, will check out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I gave my godmother Crowns for Christmas one year. I haven&#8217;t seen Queens, will check out.
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		<title>by: Sniper</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pam, have you read the book &lt;i&gt;Queens&lt;/i&gt;. It's by the same guy who did &lt;i&gt;Crowns&lt;/i&gt; and is a celebration of black women's hair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pam, have you read the book <i>Queens</i>. It&#8217;s by the same guy who did <i>Crowns</i> and is a celebration of black women&#8217;s hair.
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		<title>by: Daomadan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Do white women with naturally kinky/curly hair have the same experience as Black women? No. Absolutely not, it’s a whole different playing field and intersects with all sorts of other oppressions, particularly in the US (where I’ve never lived, and so I’m sure others know much more about it than I do). 

On the other hand, does it still suck feeling pressured to see your natural hair as unacceptable/ugly/’inappropriate’? Also, absolutely.&quot;

I agree. I have dark, long, curly-hair and the first person who ever helped me style it was a black woman because the straight-haired (white) hair stylists at the salon took one look at it and freaked and immediately wanted to straighten it.  

While I don't experience racism, all of the slurs that have been directed at me and my hair were all racialized (&quot;afro puff&quot;, &quot;kinky&quot;, etc).  While I still maintain my white privilege, the white people around me are making racist comments about my hair because they associate it with something they don't approve of = black women's hair or &quot;ethnic hair&quot;.  After all they said to me I shudder to think what they say to WOC with kinky hair, locs, etc. I could talk all day on how I'm perceived simply because I have dark, curly hair.   

Those stupid kiosks at the mall with straightening products they try to push on you?  Wow, do I love telling those people to shove it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Do white women with naturally kinky/curly hair have the same experience as Black women? No. Absolutely not, it’s a whole different playing field and intersects with all sorts of other oppressions, particularly in the US (where I’ve never lived, and so I’m sure others know much more about it than I do). </p>
	<p>On the other hand, does it still suck feeling pressured to see your natural hair as unacceptable/ugly/’inappropriate’? Also, absolutely.&#8221;</p>
	<p>I agree. I have dark, long, curly-hair and the first person who ever helped me style it was a black woman because the straight-haired (white) hair stylists at the salon took one look at it and freaked and immediately wanted to straighten it.  </p>
	<p>While I don&#8217;t experience racism, all of the slurs that have been directed at me and my hair were all racialized (&#8221;afro puff&#8221;, &#8220;kinky&#8221;, etc).  While I still maintain my white privilege, the white people around me are making racist comments about my hair because they associate it with something they don&#8217;t approve of = black women&#8217;s hair or &#8220;ethnic hair&#8221;.  After all they said to me I shudder to think what they say to WOC with kinky hair, locs, etc. I could talk all day on how I&#8217;m perceived simply because I have dark, curly hair.   </p>
	<p>Those stupid kiosks at the mall with straightening products they try to push on you?  Wow, do I love telling those people to shove it.
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