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		<title>by: Jovan1984</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474587</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That is why the old saying goes, Nice Guys ™ don't win.  This rings especially true in relationships with a woman.

I gonna consider myself a Mean Guy ™. :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That is why the old saying goes, Nice Guys ™ don&#8217;t win.  This rings especially true in relationships with a woman.</p>
	<p>I gonna consider myself a Mean Guy ™.  <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Cindy Lou Who</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474406</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474406</guid>
					<description>What amazes me is how quickly the &quot;nice guy&quot; facade drops and the swears and hateful words emerge once they're rejected.

A real &quot;nice guy&quot; doesn't change colors that fast.

In those cases, I suspect it was a farce all along.  Men like that want to put you in a box, tell you how they want you to be, and think true love is purchaseable.  &quot;Every Kiss begins with Kay (jewelers)&quot;  Sad.  But even more sad are the women and children they leave in their wake.

I wish they'd just stick with the blow-up girls, or purchase their sex more directly. Hey now, there's a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What amazes me is how quickly the &#8220;nice guy&#8221; facade drops and the swears and hateful words emerge once they&#8217;re rejected.</p>
	<p>A real &#8220;nice guy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t change colors that fast.</p>
	<p>In those cases, I suspect it was a farce all along.  Men like that want to put you in a box, tell you how they want you to be, and think true love is purchaseable.  &#8220;Every Kiss begins with Kay (jewelers)&#8221;  Sad.  But even more sad are the women and children they leave in their wake.</p>
	<p>I wish they&#8217;d just stick with the blow-up girls, or purchase their sex more directly. Hey now, there&#8217;s a thought.
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		<title>by: tzs</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474396</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474396</guid>
					<description>NiceGuys (TM) don't have the fine integrity of spirit to be truly misanthropic.  They're just narcissitic clueless whiners upset that they Can't Get The Girl.  

&quot;Clueless&quot; is a good word, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>NiceGuys &#8482; don&#8217;t have the fine integrity of spirit to be truly misanthropic.  They&#8217;re just narcissitic clueless whiners upset that they Can&#8217;t Get The Girl.  </p>
	<p>&#8220;Clueless&#8221; is a good word, too.
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		<title>by: preying mantis</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474347</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474347</guid>
					<description>&quot;The NiceGuy ™ is generally just a misogynist I’m afraid, and often congregates with groups of other NiceGuys ™ for support.&quot;

A lot of them seem to serve up a side order of misandry into the bargain, but rarely in portions big enough to qualify them as a general misanthrope.  It's usually just there to shore up their position as a martyr to their niceness or underpin the idea that niceness in a man is something so rare and special that it alone ought to earn them all the pussy they can stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The NiceGuy ™ is generally just a misogynist I’m afraid, and often congregates with groups of other NiceGuys ™ for support.&#8221;</p>
	<p>A lot of them seem to serve up a side order of misandry into the bargain, but rarely in portions big enough to qualify them as a general misanthrope.  It&#8217;s usually just there to shore up their position as a martyr to their niceness or underpin the idea that niceness in a man is something so rare and special that it alone ought to earn them all the pussy they can stand.
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		<title>by: hbsweet, empress of ice cream</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474332</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474332</guid>
					<description>Lucy van Pelt, from &quot;Peanuts,&quot; was referred to as a fussbudget--other than that, I haven't heard it used much. A lot of what Dr. Helen was citing her &quot;men are being told not to get married&quot; from was from the UK, so maybe it's a more common term over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lucy van Pelt, from &#8220;Peanuts,&#8221; was referred to as a fussbudget&#8211;other than that, I haven&#8217;t heard it used much. A lot of what Dr. Helen was citing her &#8220;men are being told not to get married&#8221; from was from the UK, so maybe it&#8217;s a more common term over there.
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		<title>by: SKM</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474312</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ailurophile--
Fussbudget...wow, you don't hear that one much, and I'm loving the sound of it. If wanting a man who is &quot;attractive, interesting, hard-working, compatible on essential issues, etc.&quot; makes one a fussbudget, well then, I'm not just a fussbudget, I'm a Fussbudget (tm) 


Dr. Helen saddens me. With a wrathful sadness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ailurophile&#8211;<br />
Fussbudget&#8230;wow, you don&#8217;t hear that one much, and I&#8217;m loving the sound of it. If wanting a man who is &#8220;attractive, interesting, hard-working, compatible on essential issues, etc.&#8221; makes one a fussbudget, well then, I&#8217;m not just a fussbudget, I&#8217;m a Fussbudget &#8482; </p>
	<p>Dr. Helen saddens me. With a wrathful sadness.
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		<title>by: Mary</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474311</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474311</guid>
					<description>Clearly, because &quot;dr.&quot; helen's career -- her movie about girl killers, her publicizing her persistent idea that men/boys are societal victims, her blog itself -- relies so much on her husband's Insta success, she projects this view on all other women.

She is a denier to the nth degree -- even her heart attack was not because of her lifestyle, diet or genes -- she was just one of the random ones it struck, like catching a heart attack as a bug.   

Not accepting responsibility is not pretty in anyone, but the &quot;men&quot; who choose to listen to her are doooming themselves to forever stay within her victim web; she needs them to support her social theories.

My favorite was when the NYT earlier this year interviewed &quot;boys&quot; who were not making the grade at college.  Turns out, they chose not to do the work and did not put the time into studies like the female students.  They were ok with that, accepting what they earned gradewise.  They just believed the grades, the classes inconsequential.

It really shot to hell her theory that it was somehow a big woman-based plot in the classroom to hold the &quot;boys&quot; back and cater to the female students.  If you've built your career setting yourself off from women who worked their way up, of course you'll be protective of your status.  

It's understandable, and even makes you pity her ... just a bit:
Being the &quot;instawife&quot; is probably not all that it's cracked up to be -- particularly when the Big Guy notes online she relies on his freebie publisher review books, or that she's a princess who can't wash a dish (he's always complaining about the non-dishwasher safe stuff that gets ruined at home)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Clearly, because &#8220;dr.&#8221; helen&#8217;s career &#8212; her movie about girl killers, her publicizing her persistent idea that men/boys are societal victims, her blog itself &#8212; relies so much on her husband&#8217;s Insta success, she projects this view on all other women.</p>
	<p>She is a denier to the nth degree &#8212; even her heart attack was not because of her lifestyle, diet or genes &#8212; she was just one of the random ones it struck, like catching a heart attack as a bug.   </p>
	<p>Not accepting responsibility is not pretty in anyone, but the &#8220;men&#8221; who choose to listen to her are doooming themselves to forever stay within her victim web; she needs them to support her social theories.</p>
	<p>My favorite was when the NYT earlier this year interviewed &#8220;boys&#8221; who were not making the grade at college.  Turns out, they chose not to do the work and did not put the time into studies like the female students.  They were ok with that, accepting what they earned gradewise.  They just believed the grades, the classes inconsequential.</p>
	<p>It really shot to hell her theory that it was somehow a big woman-based plot in the classroom to hold the &#8220;boys&#8221; back and cater to the female students.  If you&#8217;ve built your career setting yourself off from women who worked their way up, of course you&#8217;ll be protective of your status.  </p>
	<p>It&#8217;s understandable, and even makes you pity her &#8230; just a bit:<br />
Being the &#8220;instawife&#8221; is probably not all that it&#8217;s cracked up to be &#8212; particularly when the Big Guy notes online she relies on his freebie publisher review books, or that she&#8217;s a princess who can&#8217;t wash a dish (he&#8217;s always complaining about the non-dishwasher safe stuff that gets ruined at home)
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		<title>by: Jeff Fecke</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474309</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474309</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;There’s also the (anti-feminist) idea that the only quality a woman should demand from a man is “niceness.”&lt;/i&gt;

And the only quality that a woman possesses worth actually wanting is sex.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>There’s also the (anti-feminist) idea that the only quality a woman should demand from a man is “niceness.”</i></p>
	<p>And the only quality that a woman possesses worth actually wanting is sex.
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		<title>by: Mark Foxwell</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474308</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474308</guid>
					<description>Thanks, Eileen.

An essential college survival tip is, when you haven't actually done the reading you were supposed to, show up in class anyway, look wise, and, hoping to pick up enough from professor and classmates' discussion and whatever passages you can furtively read while they are under discussion, either 1) do the wise thing and say as little as possible, but fake it with aplomb if called on or 2) the foolhardy thing of offering strong opinions and interpretations based on the half-baked impression you've got from this hasty browsing plus generic prior knowledge, and hope you will be heard as bold and fresh rather than a lazy/distracted idiot.

I am not nearly as wise as my wisdom.

And my well-trained, doublethinking ability to do this has eroded for whatever reason--brain decay, being more honest with myself, humility, whatever--so I don't go to college classes anymore.

Just not up to it tonight. Dr Helen, bad, OK that seems reasonable. thnxskbye!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, Eileen.</p>
	<p>An essential college survival tip is, when you haven&#8217;t actually done the reading you were supposed to, show up in class anyway, look wise, and, hoping to pick up enough from professor and classmates&#8217; discussion and whatever passages you can furtively read while they are under discussion, either 1) do the wise thing and say as little as possible, but fake it with aplomb if called on or 2) the foolhardy thing of offering strong opinions and interpretations based on the half-baked impression you&#8217;ve got from this hasty browsing plus generic prior knowledge, and hope you will be heard as bold and fresh rather than a lazy/distracted idiot.</p>
	<p>I am not nearly as wise as my wisdom.</p>
	<p>And my well-trained, doublethinking ability to do this has eroded for whatever reason&#8211;brain decay, being more honest with myself, humility, whatever&#8211;so I don&#8217;t go to college classes anymore.</p>
	<p>Just not up to it tonight. Dr Helen, bad, OK that seems reasonable. thnxskbye!
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		<title>by: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/15/dr-helen-panders-to-the-nice-guys/#comment-474304</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mark Foxwell...  I'm linking to the wrong thing too.  I had to google search Dr. Helen and then look for references to nice guys to get what was going on.

&lt;i&gt;Is the NiceGuy ™ purely a misogynist or is generally a misanthrope?&lt;/i&gt;

The NiceGuy (TM) is generally just a misogynist I'm afraid, and often congregates with groups of other NiceGuys (TM) for support.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mark Foxwell&#8230;  I&#8217;m linking to the wrong thing too.  I had to google search Dr. Helen and then look for references to nice guys to get what was going on.</p>
	<p><i>Is the NiceGuy ™ purely a misogynist or is generally a misanthrope?</i></p>
	<p>The NiceGuy &#8482; is generally just a misogynist I&#8217;m afraid, and often congregates with groups of other NiceGuys &#8482; for support.
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