Comments on: Odds and Ends - open thread http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:14:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Neko-Onna http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473663 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:25:22 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473663 Gee, I can't think of any place where peace and acceptance are modeled LESS than the 'nuclear family'. Personal ancedotes aside, I can think of no narrative in literature that runs deeper than the misery of family relations gone wrong. But then, I bet the Pope doesn't have much time to read, and I bet HIS homelife as a child was hunkey-dorey, considering that his parents were probably terrified that he might turn them in to the Hitler Youth leader if they stepped out of line... Gee, I can’t think of any place where peace and acceptance are modeled LESS than the ‘nuclear family’. Personal ancedotes aside, I can think of no narrative in literature that runs deeper than the misery of family relations gone wrong. But then, I bet the Pope doesn’t have much time to read, and I bet HIS homelife as a child was hunkey-dorey, considering that his parents were probably terrified that he might turn them in to the Hitler Youth leader if they stepped out of line…

]]> by: roses http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473553 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:34:42 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473553 Tonybrown, I don't know about African-American lesbians, but I know African-American straight men who have the: "I don't date black men" problem when it comes to women. And the black man is fetishised in straight pornography too. I guess there's no particular reason to expect the gay community to be less racist than the straight community. Tonybrown, I don’t know about African-American lesbians, but I know African-American straight men who have the: “I don’t date black men” problem when it comes to women. And the black man is fetishised in straight pornography too. I guess there’s no particular reason to expect the gay community to be less racist than the straight community.

]]> by: DAS http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473513 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:21:14 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473513 <i>I don’t know what to make of Chris Matthew, but liberal he is not</i> - AtomicFruitBat I know that. You know that. All us here know that. But I reckon even most relatively informed Americans might know Chris Matthews was involved in the Carter admin and figure him to be a liberal. And less informed Americans would figure him to be a liberal 'cause he's on the TeeVee. And when he does say liberal things, it just reenforces the image that he's a liberal. And is he really the kind of person we want people to think is on our side? I don’t know what to make of Chris Matthew, but liberal he is not - AtomicFruitBat

I know that. You know that. All us here know that. But I reckon even most relatively informed Americans might know Chris Matthews was involved in the Carter admin and figure him to be a liberal. And less informed Americans would figure him to be a liberal ‘cause he’s on the TeeVee.

And when he does say liberal things, it just reenforces the image that he’s a liberal. And is he really the kind of person we want people to think is on our side?

]]> by: DBK http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473502 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:30:50 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473502 Why do they say stuff that is so fucking stupid? Why? I can't even begin to describe all the ways in which Eggs Benedict's remarks are stupid. Just totally idiotic. Is he senile? Maybe he'll start his second childhood and start talking about the Juden and how we need to round up the Juden, like those happy days when he was a member of Hitler Youth. Seriously, so stupid. Why do they say stuff that is so fucking stupid? Why? I can’t even begin to describe all the ways in which Eggs Benedict’s remarks are stupid. Just totally idiotic. Is he senile? Maybe he’ll start his second childhood and start talking about the Juden and how we need to round up the Juden, like those happy days when he was a member of Hitler Youth.

Seriously, so stupid.

]]> by: Abel http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473497 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:52:12 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473497 I disagree with everything Glasgow said. If pornography says anything about the sexual preferences of those who consume it, it'd turn out that black men are the least attractive ethnic group to the average gay male. -- I have no clue of what he means by saying black gay men are fetishized. Glasgow also offers a pathetically stereotyped image of (non-black) gay men, making one believe they have no standards of analyzing other men other than by sexual fitness; and no way of relating to them other than by sexual stereotyping. He is too light on (of even apologetic of) black homophobia - his only explanation for it is based on emasculation of enslaved black men. I'm sorry but -- whata hell? It is surely a creative explanation, but is it realistic? Higher degree of religiosity, lower levels of educational achievement (both of which are negatively correlated with tolerance in any community), plus the very fact that blacks are still on some level second-class citizens would be more accurate explanations for <i>modern</i> black homophobia instead of the "haunting" image of emasculated slaves. Am I to believe, after all, that when Beenie Man calls for the execution and burning of gay men, he does so because this poor child is frightened of the thought of having his penis cut off? Glasgow, for some reason, just sounds resentful and bitter at the gay community (specially the gay male community). His portrayal of gay men (which are readily embraced by some lesbians, just see some of the comments on this page) is no more accurate than some random white stereotype of blacks. He said: <blockquote>they [the gay community] are not doing any anti-racism work</blockquote> Really? I've seen more efforts from the gay community to confront its own racism (which I do not believe to be more intense than in the general population), than I've seen sincere efforts from the black community to confront its own homophobia (which is obviously higher than in the general population - http://www.thebody.com/content/art31186.htm). The liberal black community is still pretty much in denial about its own homophobia (http://www.colorq.org/Articles/article.aspx?d=2004&amp;x=homop). I disagree with everything Glasgow said. If pornography says anything about the sexual preferences of those who consume it, it’d turn out that black men are the least attractive ethnic group to the average gay male. — I have no clue of what he means by saying black gay men are fetishized.

Glasgow also offers a pathetically stereotyped image of (non-black) gay men, making one believe they have no standards of analyzing other men other than by sexual fitness; and no way of relating to them other than by sexual stereotyping. He is too light on (of even apologetic of) black homophobia - his only explanation for it is based on emasculation of enslaved black men. I’m sorry but — whata hell? It is surely a creative explanation, but is it realistic? Higher degree of religiosity, lower levels of educational achievement (both of which are negatively correlated with tolerance in any community), plus the very fact that blacks are still on some level second-class citizens would be more accurate explanations for modern black homophobia instead of the “haunting” image of emasculated slaves. Am I to believe, after all, that when Beenie Man calls for the execution and burning of gay men, he does so because this poor child is frightened of the thought of having his penis cut off?

Glasgow, for some reason, just sounds resentful and bitter at the gay community (specially the gay male community). His portrayal of gay men (which are readily embraced by some lesbians, just see some of the comments on this page) is no more accurate than some random white stereotype of blacks.

He said:

they [the gay community] are not doing any anti-racism work

Really? I’ve seen more efforts from the gay community to confront its own racism (which I do not believe to be more intense than in the general population), than I’ve seen sincere efforts from the black community to confront its own homophobia (which is obviously higher than in the general population - http://www.thebody.com/content/art31186.htm). The liberal black community is still pretty much in denial about its own homophobia (http://www.colorq.org/Articles/article.aspx?d=2004&x=homop).

]]> by: Abel http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473496 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:51:33 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473496 I disagree with everything Glasgow said. If pornography says anything about the sexual preferences of those who consume it, it'd turn out that black men are the least attractive ethnic group to the average gay male. -- I have no clue of what he means by saying black gay men are fetishized. Glasgow also offers a pathetically stereotyped image of (non-black) gay men, making one believe they have no standards of analyzing other men other than by sexual fitness; and no way of relating to them other than by sexual stereotyping. He is too light on (of even apologetic of) black homophobia - his only explanation for it is based on emasculation of enslaved black men. I'm sorry but -- whata hell? It is surely a creative explanation, but is it realistic? Higher degree of religiosity, lower levels of educational achievement (both of which are negatively correlated with tolerance in any community), plus the very fact that blacks are still on some level second-class citizens would be more accurate explanations for <i>modern</i> black homophobia instead of the "haunting" image of emasculated slaves. Am I to believe, after all, that when Beenie Man calls for the execution and burning of gay men, he does so because this poor child is frightened by the thought of having his penis cut off? Glasgow, for some reason, just sounds resentful and bitter at the gay community (specially the gay male community). His portrayal of gay men (which are readily embraced by some lesbians, just see some of the comments on this page) is no more accurate than some random white stereotype of blacks. He said: <blockquote>they [the gay community] are not doing any anti-racism work</blockquote> Really? I've seen more efforts from the gay community to confront its own racism (which I do not believe to be more intense than in the general population), than I've seen sincere efforts from the black community to confront its own homophobia (which is obviously higher than in the general population - http://www.thebody.com/content/art31186.htm). The liberal black community is still pretty much in denial about its own homophobia (http://www.colorq.org/Articles/article.aspx?d=2004&amp;x=homop). I disagree with everything Glasgow said. If pornography says anything about the sexual preferences of those who consume it, it’d turn out that black men are the least attractive ethnic group to the average gay male. — I have no clue of what he means by saying black gay men are fetishized.

Glasgow also offers a pathetically stereotyped image of (non-black) gay men, making one believe they have no standards of analyzing other men other than by sexual fitness; and no way of relating to them other than by sexual stereotyping. He is too light on (of even apologetic of) black homophobia - his only explanation for it is based on emasculation of enslaved black men. I’m sorry but — whata hell? It is surely a creative explanation, but is it realistic? Higher degree of religiosity, lower levels of educational achievement (both of which are negatively correlated with tolerance in any community), plus the very fact that blacks are still on some level second-class citizens would be more accurate explanations for modern black homophobia instead of the “haunting” image of emasculated slaves. Am I to believe, after all, that when Beenie Man calls for the execution and burning of gay men, he does so because this poor child is frightened by the thought of having his penis cut off?

Glasgow, for some reason, just sounds resentful and bitter at the gay community (specially the gay male community). His portrayal of gay men (which are readily embraced by some lesbians, just see some of the comments on this page) is no more accurate than some random white stereotype of blacks.

He said:

they [the gay community] are not doing any anti-racism work

Really? I’ve seen more efforts from the gay community to confront its own racism (which I do not believe to be more intense than in the general population), than I’ve seen sincere efforts from the black community to confront its own homophobia (which is obviously higher than in the general population - http://www.thebody.com/content/art31186.htm). The liberal black community is still pretty much in denial about its own homophobia (http://www.colorq.org/Articles/article.aspx?d=2004&x=homop).

]]> by: Redstar http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473443 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:27:09 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473443 I wrote a <a href="http://www.grahamad.com/blog/2007/12/12/beating-the-beatdown/" rel="nofollow">wrap-up of the public housing debacle in NOLA</a>, providing links to different sources of info and coverage. As I was doing that, I got word from activists in the city that demoliition of B.W. Cooper, one of the developments, started this afternoon. So awful. I wrote a wrap-up of the public housing debacle in NOLA, providing links to different sources of info and coverage. As I was doing that, I got word from activists in the city that demoliition of B.W. Cooper, one of the developments, started this afternoon. So awful.

]]> by: Peter http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473438 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:14:13 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473438 If anything that stands in the way of the nuclear family is such a problem, what about siphoning men and women into a life of celibacy and/'or chastity? Why isn't the priesthood itself judged by the same standards? If anything that stands in the way of the nuclear family is such a problem, what about siphoning men and women into a life of celibacy and/’or chastity?

Why isn’t the priesthood itself judged by the same standards?

]]> by: Thene http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473433 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:57:23 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473433 Ohh, and I meant to share these two delightful blogs that get not nearly their fair share of love; <a>http://radicalmasculinity.blogspot.com/</a> - a really in-depth look at feminism and gender issues on the F2M spectrum. <a>http://learnalilgivinanlovin.blogspot.com/</a> - an AusBC blog about race, art, mental health, and occasionally Jesus. Ohh, and I meant to share these two delightful blogs that get not nearly their fair share of love;

http://radicalmasculinity.blogspot.com/ - a really in-depth look at feminism and gender issues on the F2M spectrum.

http://learnalilgivinanlovin.blogspot.com/ - an AusBC blog about race, art, mental health, and occasionally Jesus.

]]> by: Thene http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473430 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:49:32 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/12/odds-and-ends-open-thread/#comment-473430 <blockquote>Presenting the nuclear family as the “first and indispensable teacher of peace” and the “primary agency of peace,” the 15-page document links sexual and medical ethics to international relations.</blockquote> Wow. There was me thinking that the nuclear family was a really recent social phenomenon, that extended family units were far more common til recent times and in many parts of the world still are, that until perhaps 150 years ago maternal bereavement was incredibly common, that in the countries worst affected by the AIDS epidemic it's currently common for a child to lose one or both parents before maturity... Well, I guess peace is hard to come by. Maybe impossible if you've not lived as a privileged person in a Western society in the 20th-21st centuries. Wow.

Presenting the nuclear family as the “first and indispensable teacher of peace” and the “primary agency of peace,” the 15-page document links sexual and medical ethics to international relations.

Wow. There was me thinking that the nuclear family was a really recent social phenomenon, that extended family units were far more common til recent times and in many parts of the world still are, that until perhaps 150 years ago maternal bereavement was incredibly common, that in the countries worst affected by the AIDS epidemic it’s currently common for a child to lose one or both parents before maturity… Well, I guess peace is hard to come by. Maybe impossible if you’ve not lived as a privileged person in a Western society in the 20th-21st centuries. Wow.

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