(UPDATE: But wait, there’s more. How about this quote from Huck: ““I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives…I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.”)
I’m sorry that I have to bring up this GOP clown car occupant again, but the unhinged utterances from the rapist/murderer-releasing Baptist minister and former Arkansas governor are being unearthed by the boatload. From GQ magazine:
Huck joins Daddy Dobson in the belief that if two people of the same sex marry, something cataclysmic will occur. Daddy D’s quote on the matter:GQ: Is the strategy shifting because social conservatives are losing on those core issues? Ten years ago, it would have been unimaginable to have gay marriage even in liberal Massachusetts. Now it’s there.
Huckabee: I don’t think the issue’s about being against gay marriage. It’s about being for traditional marriage and articulating the reason that’s important. You have to have a basic family structure. There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived. So there is a sense in which, you know, it’s one thing to say if people want to live a different way, that’s their business. But when you want to redefine what family means or what marriage means, then that’s an issue that should require some serious and significant debate in the public square.
“Homosexuals are not monogamous. They want to destroy the institution of marriage,” Dobson said. It will destroy marriage. It will destroy the Earth.”Also, watch Huck defend his 1992 remarks that AIDS patients should be quarantined on Faux News Sunday. He tries unsuccessfully to hinge his position on not having used the word “quarantine.”
In the 1992 questionnaire he answered during a U.S. Senate race, he said: we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague. He tries unsuccessfully to split hairs with Chris Wallace over it, all while still claiming, even to Wallace’s disbelief, that it was common knowledge at the time that HIV could not be spread through casual contact.
I had simply made the point, and I still believe this today, that in the late ’80s and early ’90s, when we didn’t know as much as we do now about AIDS, we were acting more out of political correctness than we were about the normal public health protocols that we would have acted — as we have recently, for example, with avian flu, which — I spent hours and hours, and months, in fact, as a governor dealing with a pandemic plan that we were looking at which called for isolating carriers if they contracted that disease.At the Values Voter debate in September, Huckabee made it clear he was going to claim the fringe faction of the party (he’s received the endorsements of fundies Janet Folger, Rick Scarborough, and Tim and Beverly LaHaye). Via Right Wing Watch:WALLACE: But, Governor, forgive me. I don’t think that’s right. All the way back in 1985, this wasn’t political correctness. The Centers for Disease Control back in ‘85, seven years before you made your statement, said that AIDS could not be spread by casual contact.
HUCKABEE: There was also the case of Kimberly Bergalis, who testified before Congress in 1991. She had contracted AIDS from her dentist.
We didn’t think that there was a casual transmission. There were studies that showed that. But there were other concerns being voiced by public health officials.
Now, would I say things a little differently in 2007? Probably so. But I’m not going to recant or retract from the statement that I did make because, again, the point was not saying we ought to lock people up who have HIV/AIDS.
I knew people who had AIDS. I had a close friend who died of it in the 1980s. He was a hemophiliac. He contracted it through a blood transfusion. I had other friends of mine, one of whom passed away — he was, in fact, homosexual.
But my point is that I was trying to talk about the different public health protocols that we were dealing with. I think what it really does show, though, is that when people are digging back into everything I’ve ever said and done — and I understand that, it’s part of the political process.
But what I’m not going to do is to go back and now try to change every story I’ve ever had. I’m going to simply say that that was exactly what I said. I don’t run from it, don’t recant from it.
Would I say it a little differently today? Sure, in light of 15 years of additional knowledge and understanding, I would.
In the yes or no segment of the debate, Huckabee pledged himself to a long far-right wish-list, including:A man this far outside of the mainstream has no business in the White House.* support for ousted Alabama Chief Judge Roy Moore’s court-stripping bill to keep federal courts from meddling with public officials who use their office to promote religion;
* vetoes of hate crimes legislation, ENDA (anti-discrimination law), and the fairness doctrine;
* stripping schools of federal funding for exposing children to “homosexual propaganda”; repealing IRS restrictions on churches endorsing candidates;
* bringing back Bush’s social security privatization plan;
* imposing a ban on federal funding for any U.S. group that performs or advocates for abortion;
* boosting federal abstinence spending to match contraceptive funding.Huckabee was the runaway winner of the straw poll taken among the organizers’ hand-picked attendees. More than that, he was declared an answer to prayer by organizer Janet Folger (author of “The Criminalization of Christianity”), who said Huckabee had been revealed by God to be the “David among Jesse’s son’s.” Folger has only ramped up her rhetoric since then, insisting that God’s hand is on Huckabee and that he will be the next president of the United States. Folger was recently named to co-chair Huckabee’s Faith and Family Values Coalition.
Related:
* Mike Huckabee wanted to quarantine AIDS patients
* Huck’s little rapist/murderer problem
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I know that many Americans are abysmally ignorant of history, but it startles me every time to realize just how ignorant they are.
Yes, Mike, marriage and family has stayed exactly the same since ancient times, which is why most American men are in polygamous marriages where they married a set of sisters just like in the Bible.
HUCKABEE: There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived.
If anybody here is a historian I’m sure everybody would love to hear what they have to say on the matter.
I’m no historian, but IIRC, the idea of monogamous marriage was a new idea at one time, a break from the norm, and the civilizations that adopted it seem to have survived just fine.
Wow. Jinx, Mnemosyne!
I’m not a historian, though, and I’m waiting for all of the yummy linkage that the real historians will bring us as they mock the Huckster. I love Historian Christmas!
The Sodomites! Fear our power! We will destroy your civilization and turn you queer with heroin-like orgasms. Resistance is futile Bwahahahahahaha.
Me too, ’tis a magical time of the year.
I just watched the video and two things came to mind:
1) If he really did have a friend who was gay and died from this, I wonder how that person would feel about him saying this shit, and,
2) He would say it today “a little differently” now that he knows more? No man, sorry, the correct answer is “I would not say that today, now that I know more.”
*shaking my head*
You forgot to tell us we were gonna be assimilated, MAJeff. :p
No need to go back that far in time mates, wasn’t the Victorian formula for the family that children should be seen and not heard? That it was fitting and appropriate to edjucate men and not women and that the father of the bride should have “settlements” to induce men to marry their daughters? How many men nowadays ask their father in law for 10 years living expenses that they can invest for their wives to live on? How reasonable is it today for men openly keep mistresses after their marriage?
How can they possibly say that marriage has stayed constant? My grandparents had different reasons for marrying and different expectations from my parents, and my parents had different reasons and expectations than I do.
Why is this guy getting wet kisses from some progressive commentators? It’s like he’s this season’s version of John McCain or Bob Dole. I just don’t get it.
Maybe the fact that Fox News and the NY Post are against him has something to do with it, I don’t know. The thing to remember is that, much like a tornado, very occasinally the Murdoch empire will hit somebody who actually deserves it.
“How can they possibly say that marriage has stayed constant?”
Keen awareness of just how self-deluded and/or ignorant their audience is.
No republican ever lost underestimating how stupid his/her voters are…
Not content to just elect actors, now we’re going for Kevin Spacey impersonators?
“I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer.”
What is this “government” he speaks of, and how can we stop it from ruining our country? There must be some way of organizing ourselves so we may work together to eliminate this and other scourges…?
“I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives”
Shorter Huckster: I determined that I was chosen by god to undermine and eliminate the government by turning America into a theocracy…
I’m sure, however, he would look at a place like Iran and be completely unable see it as the mirror-reflection of his theocratic desires…
I know how Mike!
We should band together and vote on a bunch of people to represent us against this scourge! We could give them a portion of our money so that they have the resources to fight this ‘government’ threat! And because they represent us, we should give them power to do the things that are best for us!
I wonder what we can call this new thing though?!
“I wonder what we can call this new thing though?!”
That is a very interesting problem.
In Huckster’s world I’m sure it would be called something like: “God’s plan for our lives which was given to us through prophets, seers, and leaders who would never have any reason to organize things for their own benefit and against the stated goals of our religion - which we just made up anyway.”
Doesn’t really roll off the tongue though…
You mean, like making it okay for people of different races to marry? We don’t have to go back as far as Victorian times - though in so many ways, mixed race marriages are nothing compared to the shift from women as legal property to women as legal partners.
But it continually blows my mind that the people who say modern American marriage (except Massachucetts, now) is completely aligned with an unchanging tradition given us by the Bible — these are the people who are supposed to have READ the thing!
Because so many modern men work seven years for their future father-in-law, only to be wed to the wrong sister and then start the whole process over again. And so many women put up with that arrangement!
Of course, this is right there with “no civilization has accepted homosexuality and survived.” It conveniently overlooks the fact that the population of civilizations includes ONLY a) those that are still around, and b) those that aren’t. And the ones that aren’t, just aren’t. Prove the cause and effect!
Because he’s the only one of the Clown Car who occasionally exhibits a teeny-weeny shred of compassion. I’m not saying it’s a lifestyle or anything, but he doesn’t actively hate poor brown children, which makes him a moral giant compared to the other clowns.And the Club for Growth hates him, which is a comparative endorsement.
“No republican ever lost underestimating how stupid his/her voters are”
Exactly. People, by and large, are sheep. They don’t want to hear how the world fails to align with their beliefs. They prefer a simple, formulaic approach to life, one that does not require them to think or be discerning. Partly, this is due to laziness. Partly, this is due to having forgotten how we got to where we are. Partly, maybe the biggest part, is due to the fact that most people are highly motivated by their fears, rather than being motivated by what they love. Fundamentalist “Christians” seem especially susceptible to this mind set, as they’ve been told all their lives that God is something to be feared. Authoritarianism at its finest!
Of course, this is right there with “no civilization has accepted homosexuality and survived.”
You’d think that the fact that there have been plenty of civilizations that did not accept homosexuality and yet died out anyway would register eventually, but no such luck.
“Huckabee: I don’t think the issue’s about being against gay marriage. It’s about being for traditional marriage and articulating the reason that’s important.”
Remind you of anything?
Like the White Pride people?
They’re not against black people, you see. They’re just for white people.
I believe it was Barry Goldwater who said,
“When you say “radical right” today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.”
If Mike Huckabee is the Republican nominee, kiss politics goodbye.
The Romans accepted homosexuality and Conservatives often blame that for their collapse.
But couldn’t you also say, since they collapsed after converting to Christianity in large numbers, Christianity caused their collapse?
Well, that’s the thing AF, there’s far more correlation between the Roman conversion to Christianity than there ever was to acceptance of homosexuality.
Romans had accepted forms of homosexual behaviour for a long long time and were perfectly stable as a society and an empire. But convert to Christianity, and *poof* they fall.
I think we need to take heed of this … more lions I say.
Not only did the Romans convert to Christianity in large numbers, they made it the state religion. Every Roman emperor starting with Constantine the Great was a committed Christian (with the exception of Julian the Apostate).This fact is guaranteed to annoy conservatives who make the Gayz Made the Roman Empire Collapse argument.
“I think we need to take heed of this … more lions I say.”
I think Sarah_in_Chicago just won in the best comment of the day category.
So, us homos are to destroy marriage with our evil non-monogamous orgies and horribly erotic sex lives that kinda sorta turn you on when no-one is looking. This of course is just another case of Right Wing Bigot Projection. They think we are out to destroy marriage when really the only people with destruction on their minds is the Christians in regards to us. They condemn our sex lives because they want to have all the liberated heathen sex that they imagine we are having. And of course they label us “evil” and amoral because they themselves are very familiar with both of those concepts.
How can they possibly say that marriage has stayed constant?”
Keen awareness of just how self-deluded and/or ignorant their audience is.
“Most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.” - Michael Rivero
I’m no historian, but IIRC, the idea of monogamous marriage was a new idea at one time, a break from the norm, and the civilizations that adopted it seem to have survived just fine.
I AM a historian, (it says so on that sheepskin I finally got) and yes, the shift to monogamy was rather painless. If one wants to claim that the cultures that made the shift and died out don’t count, alright. but then you have alot of explaining to do for Islam, which, despite the rather hideous modern practices of polygamy they have in a few token areas, still rather universally abandoned the practice.
as did Judaism. and Chinese Culture.
And anyone who claims Chinese culture has not endured is, well, disregarded the glorious middle kingdom.
But even ignoring that one, AMERICAN culture has endured an even more dramatic shift in marriage and endured: the shift from the status of women from chattel to persons with legal protections and everything.
the thing that really gets my goat about this is Huckabee is the exact sort of person who argues that all the evidence, about the abolition of DADT, or universal health care, or any other ovious equality measure, all these things with proven track records of working fantastically don’t count, because “America is different.”
That was pretty much the fucking hammerpoint of my history department: American Exceptionalism is the biggest load of crap since, well, ever.
So “No Culture has changed marriage and survived.” alright, even if we pretend that’s true America is different from all those others, right? that’s why gays in the military in europe or israel don’t show it would work, or universal health care in the rest of the industrialized nations on earth doesn’t count either.
douchefucker.
So, us homos are to destroy marriage with our evil non-monogamous orgies and horribly erotic sex lives that kinda sorta turn you on when no-one is looking.
I’m getting to old to keep at this every day. Thank the gods it’s been a successful recruiting year in the local high schools.
I’m getting to old to keep at this every day. Thank the gods it’s been a successful recruiting year in the local high schools.
to be fair, given the pace of the Iraq war, pescaphilia would probably have a banner recruitment year if it got you immunity from the Draft.
karpad gave the obvious change in marriage in the US (of course the US will probably go away at some point so …), so instead I’ll remind you that Huckabee had never heard of the NIE two days after the revision of the NIE of Iran came out and was plastered everywhere. He said he hadn’t been briefed-umm shouldn’t a person running for president know about something that might completely change our foreign policy? So, it’s not surprising that he doesn’t know much about history.
to be fair, given the pace of the Iraq war, pescaphilia would probably have a banner recruitment year if it got you immunity from the Draft.
Yes, but the institutionalization of the elementary school indoctrination centers also continues apace. We’re on the way toward pwning straight civilization.
we’re in ur skoolz, rekrutin ur kidz.
MAJeff, you’re never too old.
We have found, however, that certain conditions in the home seem to erode our capabilities to assault ‘the family’. I won’t name these conditions because I don’t know who’s reading. In the right hands, these powerful tools could be used to wipe out the entire gay agenda of frequent and deeply satisfying sex with one or more same-sex adults, but I’ll tiptoe around it:
One of these super-secret conditions starts with an ‘m’ and rhymes with carriage; it requires ongoing contact with odd people known as ‘in-laws’. The other one makes a lot of noise before the sun is up and is highly inquisitive about human behavior…the little coital interruption, as we like to refer to her.
Oppressed by these factors, we barely struggle forward toward our goal of destroying the family.
One of these super-secret conditions starts with an ‘m’ and rhymes with carriage; it requires ongoing contact with odd people known as ‘in-laws’. The other one makes a lot of noise before the sun is up and is highly inquisitive about human behavior…the little coital interruption, as we like to refer to her.
*Runs screaming into the night*
Mike Huckabee woke one night in a cold sweat.
“What’s wrong?” inquired his wife.
“A nightmare, a horrible nightmare! They’re coming!” cried Mikey as he related the dream:
His head falls into his hands, he is weeping. “It was horrible, just horrible. I think we should pray.”
He looks up only to find his wife with assimilation tubes out stretched
Of course civilizations have accepted same-sex relationships and survived. If Mr. Huckabee was part of the reality-based community, he might know that.
And if Mr. Huckabee was part of the reality-based community, he might also know that other sovereign nations of the world have marriage equality RIGHT NOW. And they are surviving and flourishing.
Also, Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the US. But let’s not confuse Mr. Huckabee with these silly little “truth” thingies.
The following night, Huck had a more horrific dream:
So did Huck’s sheets. And his underewear.
Same sex marriage will “destroy the Earth”???
I’m no physicist, but to TOTALLY destroy the Earth would require HUGE amounts of energy. If we can but HARNESS the incredible energy apparently available in same sex marriage, we can tell Saudi Arabi to go fuck itself in a sand storm.
Looks like Teh Huckster has solved the energy situation.
(Except, merely destroying the ecosystem takes much less energy. I hope he didn’t meant THAT.)
errrrrr, “ungulates forth”? Isn’t “ungulates” a plural noun?
>;^)
I’m no physicist, but to TOTALLY destroy the Earth would require HUGE amounts of energy. If we can but HARNESS the incredible energy apparently available in same sex marriage, we can tell Saudi Arabi to go fuck itself in a sand storm.
To do so safely, presumably, would involve straight Republicans jerking off to gay porn under very very controlled conditions.
We wouldn’t want anything to go supercritical, after all…
Oh contrare, Human Exceptionalism is the biggest load of crap since ever. But American Exceptionalism comes close.
I believe I heard something relatively recently about a culture in Asia that is polyandrous (one women marries multiple men) and that this occurred because in the mountainous area there was insufficient arable land to support a group of brothers splitting it amongst several family groups. This has decreased recently because of the ability to leave for the outside world. And you could easilly argue that this is an artificial state resulting from a unique set of stresses. On the other hand, you could argue the same thing for monogamous marriage (with the possible exception of some). That the only reason for traditional marrage to have existed at all is that the female of the species was not allowed to provide for herself and so was required to marry (or become a nun).
If we get this guy in, is he gonna line us atheist/ agnostics up for our Jesus brain chips? Fuck that!
“Walking down a hallway he enters a room with 12-young, muscled men sitting around a table. He is given the place of honor at the head of the table.”
I’ve seen that video, except it involved a blonde on a bed!
Huckabee has to gang up on the LGBT community to show us what real man he is. If he has to pick on a group of American citizens why doesn’t he pick a group that has the same rights, benefits & protections as he has?
OK, lessee if I got this right -
Some LGBTQ people want to marry, and some are in fact actually married. Therefore, we want to destroy marriage.
Some LGBTQ people want to raise, and in fact are raising, children in a stable, secure family unit. Therefore, we want to destroy familes.
OK, I get it now.
Up is down.
Red is green.
Some of the animals are more equal than others.
I am a historian as well. My specialty area is East Africa, so I cannot claim to be an expert in the history of American marriage (although I think I know it relatively well just as a moderately aware member of this particular civilization, and as a feminist).
I remember learning in one of my classes as an undergrad about a culture in Central Africa where it was an acceptable practice for married women who were successful as merchants (or any other for-profit occupation outside the home), to take wives of their own who would do the domestic labor for their household. This is not a polygamous relationship because the wife of the wife was NOT considered to be the wife of the husband.
It is a fascinating setup because it really shows how everyone involved acknowledged that marriage was an economic arrangement whose primary function was providing a man (or high-status woman) with basically a permanent domestic servant.
This is just something I remember from a lecture several years ago, so I apologize that I don’t have any references or even the name of the culture I am describing. Just an interesting bit of trivia. And evidence that households built on same-sex marriages are not so unheard of.
GROAN! Can we all please register as Republicans and vote for this clown in the primaries? With him as Republican presidential candidate, even Bill Richardson could win in 2008!
I just don’t share everyone’s optimism because I’m afraid that more of our fellow citizens agree with Mr. Schmuckabee than people want to accept.
Agreed, MA Jeff, and that’s why this guy scares me most.
If we get this guy in, is he gonna line us atheist/ agnostics up for our Jesus brain chips? Fuck that!
Nah, you’ll just have to get in line for a little re-Neducation.
Me, too, MA Jeff and Louise; me, too!
Can Huckabee name any civilization that tried to permit gay marriage and was destroyed? I’m pretty good at history and I can’t think of any.
Don’t ask, Tommykey, and DON’T TELL!! But my guess is that he would say “Atlantis”, then wait for people to prove otherwise.
I remember learning in one of my classes as an undergrad about a culture in Central Africa where it was an acceptable practice for married women who were successful as merchants (or any other for-profit occupation outside the home), to take wives of their own who would do the domestic labor for their household. This is not a polygamous relationship because the wife of the wife was NOT considered to be the wife of the husband.
IIRC, similiar relationships developed in the SA Homelands with the husbands gone to work in SA under the aparthied regimes.
I look at Huckabee, and people like him who go to seminary and come out as biblical literalist conservatives, and wonder how that happened.
Having actually attended a seminary, I cannot believe that they either weren’t offered or fell asleep in classes concerning history and critique of the bible, but somehow aced the hatemongering, homophobia, and sexism.
sparta had institutionalized homosexuality and only married to keep troop numbers up. and sparta supposedly saved western civ from the OG brown hordes back in the day.
There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived.
Wow, so after the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) got rid of polygamy, Mormon civilization didn’t survive?
NO “civilization” has ever “survived”.
All cultures change, so are not the “same” culture through time.
All cultures have ended or will end.
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The dominant form of “marriage” in human history has been irregular. Many if not most humans who have lived together & borne children have done so without what we would call marriage. Polygyny for the rich & informal monogomy for everyone else has been the most common form of marriage since the development of “civilization”.
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By the way, the Jewish bible clearly condemns one man marrying sisters. It also condemns men having sex with their daughters (like Noah & Lot) and having sex with your daughter-in-law (like Judah when he founded the Jewish people by having sex with Tamar, who was disguised as a Canaanite temple prostitute…also a no no). But selling your daughters is OK!
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NO “civilization” has ever “survived”.
All cultures change, so are not the “same” culture through time.
All cultures have ended or will end.
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The dominant form of “marriage” in human history has been irregular. Many if not most humans who have lived together & borne children have done so without what we would call marriage. Polygyny for the rich & informal monogomy for everyone else has been the most common form of marriage since the development of “civilization”.
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By the way, the Jewish bible clearly condemns one man marrying sisters. It also condemns men having sex with their daughters (like Noah & Lot) and having sex with your daughter-in-law (like Judah when he founded the Jewish people by having sex with Tamar, who was disguised as a Canaanite temple prostitute…also a no no). But selling your daughters is OK!
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That “gay friend” of Huckabee’s was probably just some bloke he met in an airport restroom.