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		<title>by: Acanthus</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472887</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tim Goodman of the SF Chronicle has a video of the promo for the Wire &quot;catch up&quot; specials scheduled to air on the 20th and 21st of this month on his &quot;The Bastard Machine&quot; blog. I could swear one of the faces that flashes across the screen is that of...Joe Klein. Ah well...I guess you have to take the bad with the good.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tim Goodman of the SF Chronicle has a video of the promo for the Wire &#8220;catch up&#8221; specials scheduled to air on the 20th and 21st of this month on his &#8220;The Bastard Machine&#8221; blog. I could swear one of the faces that flashes across the screen is that of&#8230;Joe Klein. Ah well&#8230;I guess you have to take the bad with the good.</p>
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		<title>by: K Trujillo</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472726</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Randy's plight in Season 4 affected me greatly.  The kids in this season were terrific and their stories heartbreaking and compelling.  One thing that surprised me was how much sympathy I had for Bodie in this season since I was still angry at him for killing Wallace in Season 1.  

Another vote for Omar.  I love me some Omar. He lights up every scene.  The whole exchange about his killing his grandma's crown and violating the Sunday morning truce is classic. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Randy&#8217;s plight in Season 4 affected me greatly.  The kids in this season were terrific and their stories heartbreaking and compelling.  One thing that surprised me was how much sympathy I had for Bodie in this season since I was still angry at him for killing Wallace in Season 1.  </p>
	<p>Another vote for Omar.  I love me some Omar. He lights up every scene.  The whole exchange about his killing his grandma&#8217;s crown and violating the Sunday morning truce is classic.
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		<title>by: Pesto</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472681</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the refresher, Lindsay!  You and Amanda have both made great points about Kima, Sheryl and McNulty.

My wife and I own Season 1 on DVD -- all the Pandagon posts about &lt;i&gt;The Wire&lt;/i&gt; have inspired us to rewatch the whole season, especially since HBO is showing crap on Sunday nights now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the refresher, Lindsay!  You and Amanda have both made great points about Kima, Sheryl and McNulty.</p>
	<p>My wife and I own Season 1 on DVD &#8212; all the Pandagon posts about <i>The Wire</i> have inspired us to rewatch the whole season, especially since HBO is showing crap on Sunday nights now.
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		<title>by: LauraB</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472678</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I love The Wire, and I'm glad you're writing about it.  I finished the fourth season around 2 o'clock Saturday morning.  I have to say it's probably my least favorite season, but I think so highly of the first three that that's honestly not saying much.

My favorite moment in S3 is when Stringer and Avon are on the balcony reminiscing about when they were kids, getting into trouble and dreaming about being rich and powerful.  They both know at that point that the relationship is coming to an end.  It's heartbreaking.  Second favorite moment is the one someone mentioned above... When McNulty finds an Adam Smith book in Stringer's apartment and he says, &quot;who the fuck was I chasing?&quot;

The first scene of the first episode of S4 is pure David Simon genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I love The Wire, and I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re writing about it.  I finished the fourth season around 2 o&#8217;clock Saturday morning.  I have to say it&#8217;s probably my least favorite season, but I think so highly of the first three that that&#8217;s honestly not saying much.</p>
	<p>My favorite moment in S3 is when Stringer and Avon are on the balcony reminiscing about when they were kids, getting into trouble and dreaming about being rich and powerful.  They both know at that point that the relationship is coming to an end.  It&#8217;s heartbreaking.  Second favorite moment is the one someone mentioned above&#8230; When McNulty finds an Adam Smith book in Stringer&#8217;s apartment and he says, &#8220;who the fuck was I chasing?&#8221;</p>
	<p>The first scene of the first episode of S4 is pure David Simon genius.
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		<title>by: Lindsay Beyerstein</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472675</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>McNulty drops by the harbor cop's house just as he's about to get transferred back to walk a beat in the Western District. Come to think of it, he asks to meet her kids. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>McNulty drops by the harbor cop&#8217;s house just as he&#8217;s about to get transferred back to walk a beat in the Western District. Come to think of it, he asks to meet her kids.
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		<title>by: Pesto</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472674</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thinking back to &lt;i&gt;Homicide&lt;/i&gt;, virtually all the cops have terrible family lives.  G seems to have been very happily married (he was a widower during the whole run of the show, IIRC -- and his relationship with his son was clearly tense, to say the least); Russert, IIRC, was a happily-married lieutenant until she, too, was widowed; Pembleton was happily married, though of course he was famous as the detective who didn't get along with any of his coworkers.  I think Crosetti's marriage was okay...but he killed himself after season 1.  

All the rest were a total mess.  Multiple divorces, loveless marriages, painful struggles over sexuality...I think Burns/Simon assume that detectives will have failed personal lives characterized by deception, cheating and misery.

It struck me watching all those scenes in the box over the years that detectives have a completely warped way of relating to people -- everything they do in the box is about getting the suspect to reveal/tell the truth.  And yet, the cops themselves lie, lie, lie as much as they can to get to that end.  They're obsessed with not being played, while they play everyone else (sometimes even fellow members of the force).  Kima might have thought she could bluff her way through being a supportive parent because being good at that kind of thing is one of the keys to her job.  

My memory of the &lt;i&gt;Wire&lt;/i&gt; timeline is a little fuzzy, but doesn't McNulty's relationship with the harbor cop develop after he gets back into uniform on a beat? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thinking back to <i>Homicide</i>, virtually all the cops have terrible family lives.  G seems to have been very happily married (he was a widower during the whole run of the show, IIRC &#8212; and his relationship with his son was clearly tense, to say the least); Russert, IIRC, was a happily-married lieutenant until she, too, was widowed; Pembleton was happily married, though of course he was famous as the detective who didn&#8217;t get along with any of his coworkers.  I think Crosetti&#8217;s marriage was okay&#8230;but he killed himself after season 1.  </p>
	<p>All the rest were a total mess.  Multiple divorces, loveless marriages, painful struggles over sexuality&#8230;I think Burns/Simon assume that detectives will have failed personal lives characterized by deception, cheating and misery.</p>
	<p>It struck me watching all those scenes in the box over the years that detectives have a completely warped way of relating to people &#8212; everything they do in the box is about getting the suspect to reveal/tell the truth.  And yet, the cops themselves lie, lie, lie as much as they can to get to that end.  They&#8217;re obsessed with not being played, while they play everyone else (sometimes even fellow members of the force).  Kima might have thought she could bluff her way through being a supportive parent because being good at that kind of thing is one of the keys to her job.  </p>
	<p>My memory of the <i>Wire</i> timeline is a little fuzzy, but doesn&#8217;t McNulty&#8217;s relationship with the harbor cop develop after he gets back into uniform on a beat?
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		<title>by: Lindsay Beyerstein</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472666</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yeah, I definitely empathize with Kima's reluctance to accept the drudgery  of caring for an infant. 

It just occurred to me that there's an interesting asymmetry between Kima and McNulty... 

One of the big themes of season 3 is that Kima becoming more like her womanizing, hard drinking policing partner. One of McNulty's best attributes is that he's a really enthusiastic dad. He's not always the most competent or responsible parent, but he loves his kids. Ultimately, his marriage still failed because of his infidelities, alcohol abuse, and his obsession with detective work--the same problems that Kima has.  

Here's the part that hadn't occurred to me. When McNulty's on a date with the political consultant, he reveals an interesting biographical detail. She asks him about college and he says, with some regret, that he had to drop out after a year because he got his girlfriend pregnant. McNulty's still insecure about not being a college graduate all these years later. So, he had to sacrifice something in order to be parent, but he still managed to love his kids, even if he wasn't willing to be a conventional family man. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, I definitely empathize with Kima&#8217;s reluctance to accept the drudgery  of caring for an infant. </p>
	<p>It just occurred to me that there&#8217;s an interesting asymmetry between Kima and McNulty&#8230; </p>
	<p>One of the big themes of season 3 is that Kima becoming more like her womanizing, hard drinking policing partner. One of McNulty&#8217;s best attributes is that he&#8217;s a really enthusiastic dad. He&#8217;s not always the most competent or responsible parent, but he loves his kids. Ultimately, his marriage still failed because of his infidelities, alcohol abuse, and his obsession with detective work&#8211;the same problems that Kima has.  </p>
	<p>Here&#8217;s the part that hadn&#8217;t occurred to me. When McNulty&#8217;s on a date with the political consultant, he reveals an interesting biographical detail. She asks him about college and he says, with some regret, that he had to drop out after a year because he got his girlfriend pregnant. McNulty&#8217;s still insecure about not being a college graduate all these years later. So, he had to sacrifice something in order to be parent, but he still managed to love his kids, even if he wasn&#8217;t willing to be a conventional family man.
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		<title>by: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472639</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good points, Lindsay.  My sympathies for Kima are quite irrational; I think I mostly sympathize with her reservations about the tedious norms of marriage and child-rearing.  And I tend to think about how people do get sucked up into the logic of, &quot;Well, that's just what you &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt; when you're grown up,&quot; without ever thinking about it all the way through.  And in the abstract, we all know that it is better to voice your doubts from the beginning, and let the chips fall where they may. In their case, it would have most likely meant an end of the relationship before kids.  But we all also know that it's easier said than done.  I do think with Cheryl and Kima, they both had an opportunity to put the brakes on when they first started to see problems crop up, and both swallowed doubts they should have aired from the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good points, Lindsay.  My sympathies for Kima are quite irrational; I think I mostly sympathize with her reservations about the tedious norms of marriage and child-rearing.  And I tend to think about how people do get sucked up into the logic of, &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s just what you <b>do</b> when you&#8217;re grown up,&#8221; without ever thinking about it all the way through.  And in the abstract, we all know that it is better to voice your doubts from the beginning, and let the chips fall where they may. In their case, it would have most likely meant an end of the relationship before kids.  But we all also know that it&#8217;s easier said than done.  I do think with Cheryl and Kima, they both had an opportunity to put the brakes on when they first started to see problems crop up, and both swallowed doubts they should have aired from the beginning.
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		<title>by: Justin K.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472637</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Season Four is great--Dukie and the other 8th graders will break your heart--but I still enjoyed Season Three the most. The Westside War that begins with the dynamiting of the towers, the fall of the House of Barksdale, The dissolution of Avon and Stringer's brotherhood in an elegant double cross, Hamsterdam, Marlo's chilly ruthlessness, Colvin, Carcetti, Cutty, and Omar and Mouzone's revenge all added up to the gritty grandeur of Shakespeare history play. Season Three was when The Wire really started to feel like the story of a whole city, not just a couple benighted corners and the cops who watch them. 

The kids' stories in Season Four are good, but they're necessarily smaller, humbler stories. I missed the larger-than-life dimensions the gangsters took on, from the prison yard parting for Avon in 3.1 to Bell dying at the hands of two legendary gunslingers. Marlo, in Season Four, is ruthless and despicable, but he's also a lizard, cold humorless, and passionless, and he lacks the charisma of the other crooks. Omar's still around, but after finally avenging Brandon he doesn't have the same fire. I missed Avon, Stringer and Mouzone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Season Four is great&#8211;Dukie and the other 8th graders will break your heart&#8211;but I still enjoyed Season Three the most. The Westside War that begins with the dynamiting of the towers, the fall of the House of Barksdale, The dissolution of Avon and Stringer&#8217;s brotherhood in an elegant double cross, Hamsterdam, Marlo&#8217;s chilly ruthlessness, Colvin, Carcetti, Cutty, and Omar and Mouzone&#8217;s revenge all added up to the gritty grandeur of Shakespeare history play. Season Three was when The Wire really started to feel like the story of a whole city, not just a couple benighted corners and the cops who watch them. </p>
	<p>The kids&#8217; stories in Season Four are good, but they&#8217;re necessarily smaller, humbler stories. I missed the larger-than-life dimensions the gangsters took on, from the prison yard parting for Avon in 3.1 to Bell dying at the hands of two legendary gunslingers. Marlo, in Season Four, is ruthless and despicable, but he&#8217;s also a lizard, cold humorless, and passionless, and he lacks the charisma of the other crooks. Omar&#8217;s still around, but after finally avenging Brandon he doesn&#8217;t have the same fire. I missed Avon, Stringer and Mouzone.
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		<title>by: Lindsay Beyerstein</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/08/6414/#comment-472627</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Amanda, it's interesting that you're more sympathetic to Kima on the whole. It's a reflection of how well-written the show is that they don't stack the deck either way. Kima's a very sympathetic character overall, but I tend to sympathize with Sheryl more than Kima on the home front. 

The couple is already deep into the IVF process when we meet them. Early in season 1, Kima sighs when she sees the doctor bill and says, &quot;A thousand dollars worth of baby...&quot; You can see her ambivalence, but not the abject rejection we see in subsequent episodes. The scene with the IVF bill establishes that the couple has already made some kind of agreement to try for a baby together. It's not like Sheryl goes out and gets herself pregnant behind Kima's back. 

I feel like Kima's outright indifference to the baby is overplayed, or presented without sufficient context. She is a parent, but she acts like a total stranger to her son. Even reluctant parents tend to have some vestiges of affection for their own kids mixed in with their frustration and bitterness. 

We see some negotiation and renegotiation between Kima and Sheryl about the baby, but it's well-established that Kima agreed. I think that makes her a lot less sympathetic than someone who ended up being a parent by accident and found themselves unable to deal with the responsibility. 

Also, Kima agreed to quit the police force and didn't follow through, so I sort of feel like she owed Sheryl some major concessions about their lifestyle. It's one thing to be an absent parent, it's quite another to help yourself to a double life because you're pissed off about a child you helped bring into the world. The writers are careful to show that Kima contributed financially and emotionally to the making of that baby, even though she's not the bioparent. We see that Sheryl stuck with Kima when she got shot and even when she broke her promise to quit the force. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amanda, it&#8217;s interesting that you&#8217;re more sympathetic to Kima on the whole. It&#8217;s a reflection of how well-written the show is that they don&#8217;t stack the deck either way. Kima&#8217;s a very sympathetic character overall, but I tend to sympathize with Sheryl more than Kima on the home front. </p>
	<p>The couple is already deep into the IVF process when we meet them. Early in season 1, Kima sighs when she sees the doctor bill and says, &#8220;A thousand dollars worth of baby&#8230;&#8221; You can see her ambivalence, but not the abject rejection we see in subsequent episodes. The scene with the IVF bill establishes that the couple has already made some kind of agreement to try for a baby together. It&#8217;s not like Sheryl goes out and gets herself pregnant behind Kima&#8217;s back. </p>
	<p>I feel like Kima&#8217;s outright indifference to the baby is overplayed, or presented without sufficient context. She is a parent, but she acts like a total stranger to her son. Even reluctant parents tend to have some vestiges of affection for their own kids mixed in with their frustration and bitterness. </p>
	<p>We see some negotiation and renegotiation between Kima and Sheryl about the baby, but it&#8217;s well-established that Kima agreed. I think that makes her a lot less sympathetic than someone who ended up being a parent by accident and found themselves unable to deal with the responsibility. </p>
	<p>Also, Kima agreed to quit the police force and didn&#8217;t follow through, so I sort of feel like she owed Sheryl some major concessions about their lifestyle. It&#8217;s one thing to be an absent parent, it&#8217;s quite another to help yourself to a double life because you&#8217;re pissed off about a child you helped bring into the world. The writers are careful to show that Kima contributed financially and emotionally to the making of that baby, even though she&#8217;s not the bioparent. We see that Sheryl stuck with Kima when she got shot and even when she broke her promise to quit the force.
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