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		<title>by: Seraph</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472753</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does having buttsex instead of vaginal sex count as abstinence? If not, why not? After all, if practiced consistently, that substitution is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, it isn't.  It's pretty effective, but not 100%.  All it takes is a little dripping.  Which is exactly the sort of thing kids who are trying to stay &quot;abstinent&quot; by doing only buttsex (because all that's even been referred to in their classes is vaginal sex) need to know.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Does having buttsex instead of vaginal sex count as abstinence? If not, why not? After all, if practiced consistently, that substitution is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Actually, it isn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s pretty effective, but not 100%.  All it takes is a little dripping.  Which is exactly the sort of thing kids who are trying to stay &#8220;abstinent&#8221; by doing only buttsex (because all that&#8217;s even been referred to in their classes is vaginal sex) need to know.
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		<title>by: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of Ten Gold Chow Mein</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472731</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gore Vidal wrote about that phenomenon taking place amongst the young working-class residents in the area of Italy he lived in before he sold his residence there,

He reported that the women were known as 'virgins in the front, martyrs in the rear&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gore Vidal wrote about that phenomenon taking place amongst the young working-class residents in the area of Italy he lived in before he sold his residence there,</p>
	<p>He reported that the women were known as &#8216;virgins in the front, martyrs in the rear&#8221;.
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		<title>by: John in Nashville</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472702</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Does having buttsex instead of vaginal sex count as abstinence?  If not, why not?  After all, if practiced consistently, that substitution is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Does having buttsex instead of vaginal sex count as abstinence?  If not, why not?  After all, if practiced consistently, that substitution is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy.
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		<title>by: ahunt</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472523</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Uhm...and I know I'm gonna get hammered here...

...we opted out of the public school program in favor of our church abstinence based (but also reality based in terms of contraception/STDs) program....

If Mythago was around, the laughs would be echoing out here in podunk, Myth being there way back when.

So okay, goddammit...we failed utterly to impress on our teenaged sons the values that we ourselves utterly failed to adhere to at precisely the same ages.

But what we got through to our boys was the critical sense of responsibility, and yes, the idea of sexual relations in the context of friendship, love, respect and with the exception of the EE, commitment. We're proud of the way our sons have treated the young women in their lives, and yes... I would be seriously upset if they had exercised their sexuality randomly, carelessly and heartlessly.

Dishonest abstinence education is vile, but please do NOT underestimate the value of sex education that encourages genuine connection between partners. Our boys got that, along with getting their groove on...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Uhm&#8230;and I know I&#8217;m gonna get hammered here&#8230;</p>
	<p>&#8230;we opted out of the public school program in favor of our church abstinence based (but also reality based in terms of contraception/STDs) program&#8230;.</p>
	<p>If Mythago was around, the laughs would be echoing out here in podunk, Myth being there way back when.</p>
	<p>So okay, goddammit&#8230;we failed utterly to impress on our teenaged sons the values that we ourselves utterly failed to adhere to at precisely the same ages.</p>
	<p>But what we got through to our boys was the critical sense of responsibility, and yes, the idea of sexual relations in the context of friendship, love, respect and with the exception of the EE, commitment. We&#8217;re proud of the way our sons have treated the young women in their lives, and yes&#8230; I would be seriously upset if they had exercised their sexuality randomly, carelessly and heartlessly.</p>
	<p>Dishonest abstinence education is vile, but please do NOT underestimate the value of sex education that encourages genuine connection between partners. Our boys got that, along with getting their groove on&#8230;
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		<title>by: ahunt</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472511</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Uhm...and I know I'm gonna get hammered here...

...we opted out of the public school program in favor of our church abstinence based (but also reality based in terms of contraception/STDs) program....

If Mythago was around, the laughs would be echoing out here in podunk, Myth being there way back when.

So okay, goddammit...we failed utterly to impress on our teenaged sons the values that we ourselves utterly failed to adhere to at precisely the same ages.

But what we got through to our boys was the critical sense of responsibility, and yes, the idea of sexual relations in the context of friendship, love, respect and with the exception of the EE, commitment. We're proud of the way our sons have treated the young women in their lives, and yes... I would be seriously upset if they had exercised their sexuality randomly, carelessly and heartlessly.

Dishonest abstinence education is vile, but please do NOT underestimate the value of sex education that encourages genuine connection between partners. Our boys got that, along with getting their groove on...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Uhm&#8230;and I know I&#8217;m gonna get hammered here&#8230;</p>
	<p>&#8230;we opted out of the public school program in favor of our church abstinence based (but also reality based in terms of contraception/STDs) program&#8230;.</p>
	<p>If Mythago was around, the laughs would be echoing out here in podunk, Myth being there way back when.</p>
	<p>So okay, goddammit&#8230;we failed utterly to impress on our teenaged sons the values that we ourselves utterly failed to adhere to at precisely the same ages.</p>
	<p>But what we got through to our boys was the critical sense of responsibility, and yes, the idea of sexual relations in the context of friendship, love, respect and with the exception of the EE, commitment. We&#8217;re proud of the way our sons have treated the young women in their lives, and yes&#8230; I would be seriously upset if they had exercised their sexuality randomly, carelessly and heartlessly.</p>
	<p>Dishonest abstinence education is vile, but please do NOT underestimate the value of sex education that encourages genuine connection between partners. Our boys got that, along with getting their groove on&#8230;
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		<title>by: ahunt</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472510</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Uhm...and I know I'm gonna get hammered here...

...we opted out of the public school program in favor of our church abstinence based (but also reality based in terms of contraception/STDs) program....

If Mythago was around, the laughs would be echoing out here in podunk, Myth being there way back when.

So okay, goddammit...we failed utterly to impress on our teenaged sons the values that we ourselves utterly failed to adhere to at precisely the same ages.

But what we got through to our boys was the critical sense of responsibility, and yes, the idea of sexual relations in the context of friendship, love, respect and with the exception of the EE, commitment. We're proud of the way our sons have treated the young women in their lives, and yes... I would be seriously upset if they had exercised their sexuality randomly, carelessly and heartlessly.

Dishonest abstinence education is vile, but please do NOT underestimate the value of sex education that encourages genuine connection between partners. Our boys got that, along with getting their groove on...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Uhm&#8230;and I know I&#8217;m gonna get hammered here&#8230;</p>
	<p>&#8230;we opted out of the public school program in favor of our church abstinence based (but also reality based in terms of contraception/STDs) program&#8230;.</p>
	<p>If Mythago was around, the laughs would be echoing out here in podunk, Myth being there way back when.</p>
	<p>So okay, goddammit&#8230;we failed utterly to impress on our teenaged sons the values that we ourselves utterly failed to adhere to at precisely the same ages.</p>
	<p>But what we got through to our boys was the critical sense of responsibility, and yes, the idea of sexual relations in the context of friendship, love, respect and with the exception of the EE, commitment. We&#8217;re proud of the way our sons have treated the young women in their lives, and yes&#8230; I would be seriously upset if they had exercised their sexuality randomly, carelessly and heartlessly.</p>
	<p>Dishonest abstinence education is vile, but please do NOT underestimate the value of sex education that encourages genuine connection between partners. Our boys got that, along with getting their groove on&#8230;
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		<title>by: clytemnestra</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472465</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What if the argument was presented the abstinence education isn't cost effective?  Mrs. Joker Nickleson said that you need to have on going classes in abstinence educaton for the utes.  

But how many classes do you need to watch someone put a condom on a bananna?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What if the argument was presented the abstinence education isn&#8217;t cost effective?  Mrs. Joker Nickleson said that you need to have on going classes in abstinence educaton for the utes.  </p>
	<p>But how many classes do you need to watch someone put a condom on a bananna?
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		<title>by: bekabot</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472462</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have more sympathy for the latter than the former, since the latter was a literal survival skill in a world where lynching was treated as sport, and the former is a symbol of someone who knows on a deep level that she had a choice, but was too cowardly to take it, and now spends her days lapping the ass of the patriarchy and abandoning her dignity in a way that betrays her desire to punish women who weren’t big cowards like her.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'd like to introduce the possibility that perhaps she &lt;em&gt;doesn't&lt;/em&gt; think she has a choice.  What if she thinks, as Camille Paglia pretends to, that civilization and patriarchalism are pretty much the same thing, and that if the latter is ameliorated, the former falls?  In that case, she might willingly embrace her own degradation (especially if it comes with perks like appearances on the Abrams Report) on the basis that it's the only means she has of preserving her world.  I don't know whether or not I'm right, but if I am, it would account for that look of jut-jawed determination, that expression of someone determined to smile through agony, that Huber and so many other conservapologist women evince.  

(Laura Schlessinger.  Mona Charen.  The Grande Dragonne of 'em all, Phyllis Schlafly.  You guys are right, they all have the same look about them, as if---cat alert---they'd managed to think up some way of having Botox and wrinkles at the same time.  And BTW, folks, I'm old.  I was born in 1962, so I've seen several decades' worth of women of the same description come and go.  I've already mentioned Phyllis Schlafly, but I'm here to tell you that Midge Decter and Helen Andelin looked like that too, as did Anita Bryant before she saw the light.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I have more sympathy for the latter than the former, since the latter was a literal survival skill in a world where lynching was treated as sport, and the former is a symbol of someone who knows on a deep level that she had a choice, but was too cowardly to take it, and now spends her days lapping the ass of the patriarchy and abandoning her dignity in a way that betrays her desire to punish women who weren’t big cowards like her.</p></blockquote>
	<p>I&#8217;d like to introduce the possibility that perhaps she <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> think she has a choice.  What if she thinks, as Camille Paglia pretends to, that civilization and patriarchalism are pretty much the same thing, and that if the latter is ameliorated, the former falls?  In that case, she might willingly embrace her own degradation (especially if it comes with perks like appearances on the Abrams Report) on the basis that it&#8217;s the only means she has of preserving her world.  I don&#8217;t know whether or not I&#8217;m right, but if I am, it would account for that look of jut-jawed determination, that expression of someone determined to smile through agony, that Huber and so many other conservapologist women evince.  </p>
	<p>(Laura Schlessinger.  Mona Charen.  The Grande Dragonne of &#8216;em all, Phyllis Schlafly.  You guys are right, they all have the same look about them, as if&#8212;cat alert&#8212;they&#8217;d managed to think up some way of having Botox and wrinkles at the same time.  And BTW, folks, I&#8217;m old.  I was born in 1962, so I&#8217;ve seen several decades&#8217; worth of women of the same description come and go.  I&#8217;ve already mentioned Phyllis Schlafly, but I&#8217;m here to tell you that Midge Decter and Helen Andelin looked like that too, as did Anita Bryant before she saw the light.)
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		<title>by: Samantha Vimes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472449</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>idiosynchronic, I don't think the drill-team smile bit was meant to indicate that all drill team girls (or guys. Kennedy High School of Sacramento had an awesome banner team of 6 foot tall guys) are lock-step thinkers as well as marchers/dancers. It just means that the smiles are *forced*, part of the package being presented. No matter how much you love the performing, you're focusing on your moves and the weight of your props and if you're in line with the folks in your peripheral vision. 
Do we really want to derail the &quot;forced smiling for the cameras suggest these women aren't totally comfortable with their position&quot; message with a discussion of whether drill team members (of any kind) are independent thinkers? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>idiosynchronic, I don&#8217;t think the drill-team smile bit was meant to indicate that all drill team girls (or guys. Kennedy High School of Sacramento had an awesome banner team of 6 foot tall guys) are lock-step thinkers as well as marchers/dancers. It just means that the smiles are *forced*, part of the package being presented. No matter how much you love the performing, you&#8217;re focusing on your moves and the weight of your props and if you&#8217;re in line with the folks in your peripheral vision.<br />
Do we really want to derail the &#8220;forced smiling for the cameras suggest these women aren&#8217;t totally comfortable with their position&#8221; message with a discussion of whether drill team members (of any kind) are independent thinkers?
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		<title>by: idiosynchronic, The Unhip Carbonated Beverage</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472430</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/07/theyre-onto-us-grin-harder/#comment-472430</guid>
					<description>Are we talking dance drill teams or flag drill teams?

Because I know several dozen former flaggies that will hunt you down and spin you like a common torn banner for comparing them to Teh Evil Anti-Sex Misogynists. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Are we talking dance drill teams or flag drill teams?</p>
	<p>Because I know several dozen former flaggies that will hunt you down and spin you like a common torn banner for comparing them to Teh Evil Anti-Sex Misogynists.
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