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		<title>by: Kel</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-472968</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm so glad many jobs allow open shoes nowadays.For some reason wearing hose would make my feet feel like theyre burning up.If I wore them you would see me walking around the office without my shoes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m so glad many jobs allow open shoes nowadays.For some reason wearing hose would make my feet feel like theyre burning up.If I wore them you would see me walking around the office without my shoes on.
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		<title>by: larkspur</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-472322</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Let me &lt;strike&gt;second&lt;/strike&gt; third Trystero's comment (#34): &lt;blockquote&gt;...The idea was that going without hose required other time-intensive personal hygiene habits: shaving every day, lotions to maintain skin condition, exercise for muscle tone, etc, which among other things demonstrated that you had the time and money to maintain this appearance....&lt;/blockquote&gt;That's exactly it.  That's much of the underlying reason for all of it, the make-up, the shoes, the hair-styles.  In a sense, for many of us, it's not even necessary that we do it well: it's that we do it at all.  It says that we are willing to spend time, money, and sacrifice of personal comfort in order to stay right with the patriarchy.  It's wrong, but they pretend it's true.

However, sistren and brethren, pantyhose are excellent if you participate in ride-and-tie.

I remember working at Longs Drug Store many many years ago (it's a chain in the west).  Women were required to wear skirts or dresses and pantyhose.  Good thing we got a discount on pantyhose, because you couldn't get through a day without trashing them.  I mean, we lady-girls, although restricted from being employed in the career-track manager program, and consigned to the cash registers, nevertheless had to pinch-hit in the warehouse and the shopping cart round-up. 

I have a friend who's now in her 60s.  As a young &lt;strike&gt;flight attendant&lt;/strike&gt; stewardess, part of the daily inspection involved having their female supervisor randomly pinch through their skirts to snap their garters.

Old fashioned stockings sucked, too.  Most of us wore knee socks to school.  Wearing non-stretchy hose with non-stretchy garter belts was a recipe for unpleasantness; for me, it meant accordian-pleats of pinky-beige nylon at my ankles.

But pantyhose, oh God, why has no one mentioned the frustration of pulling them up, only to find that you've got twisted-legs.  The ill-defined &quot;foot&quot; of the hose has inexplicably got turned somewhere around your knee, and which way do you turn it to untwist it, or will you be twisting it worse?  And also, one day I was putting on my pantyhose while trying to talk on the telephone, and I had 'em almost up, but my knee tickled, and I looked down and saw I had &lt;i&gt;trapped a spider&lt;/i&gt;, who was struggling between my leg and its hideous prison of evil, non-silk webbing.  It was shrieking  &quot;Who spun this thing?  Let me out, OMG, I will never trap another bug in my life, I swear. Halp!&quot;

Finally:  I just remembered my bare-legged &lt;i&gt;faux pas&lt;/i&gt; of 1970.  I was a bridesmaid, one of four, and dear god, no one told me I was expected to wear sheer white pantyhose with the white sandals.  My toes looked cute.  The other girls' toes looked weirdly webbed.  But I swear the bride's mom wanted to toss me out on my slutty, trailer-trash ass.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let me <strike>second</strike> third Trystero&#8217;s comment (#34):<br />
<blockquote>&#8230;The idea was that going without hose required other time-intensive personal hygiene habits: shaving every day, lotions to maintain skin condition, exercise for muscle tone, etc, which among other things demonstrated that you had the time and money to maintain this appearance&#8230;.</blockquote>
That&#8217;s exactly it.  That&#8217;s much of the underlying reason for all of it, the make-up, the shoes, the hair-styles.  In a sense, for many of us, it&#8217;s not even necessary that we do it well: it&#8217;s that we do it at all.  It says that we are willing to spend time, money, and sacrifice of personal comfort in order to stay right with the patriarchy.  It&#8217;s wrong, but they pretend it&#8217;s true.</p>
	<p>However, sistren and brethren, pantyhose are excellent if you participate in ride-and-tie.</p>
	<p>I remember working at Longs Drug Store many many years ago (it&#8217;s a chain in the west).  Women were required to wear skirts or dresses and pantyhose.  Good thing we got a discount on pantyhose, because you couldn&#8217;t get through a day without trashing them.  I mean, we lady-girls, although restricted from being employed in the career-track manager program, and consigned to the cash registers, nevertheless had to pinch-hit in the warehouse and the shopping cart round-up. </p>
	<p>I have a friend who&#8217;s now in her 60s.  As a young <strike>flight attendant</strike> stewardess, part of the daily inspection involved having their female supervisor randomly pinch through their skirts to snap their garters.</p>
	<p>Old fashioned stockings sucked, too.  Most of us wore knee socks to school.  Wearing non-stretchy hose with non-stretchy garter belts was a recipe for unpleasantness; for me, it meant accordian-pleats of pinky-beige nylon at my ankles.</p>
	<p>But pantyhose, oh God, why has no one mentioned the frustration of pulling them up, only to find that you&#8217;ve got twisted-legs.  The ill-defined &#8220;foot&#8221; of the hose has inexplicably got turned somewhere around your knee, and which way do you turn it to untwist it, or will you be twisting it worse?  And also, one day I was putting on my pantyhose while trying to talk on the telephone, and I had &#8216;em almost up, but my knee tickled, and I looked down and saw I had <i>trapped a spider</i>, who was struggling between my leg and its hideous prison of evil, non-silk webbing.  It was shrieking  &#8220;Who spun this thing?  Let me out, OMG, I will never trap another bug in my life, I swear. Halp!&#8221;</p>
	<p>Finally:  I just remembered my bare-legged <i>faux pas</i> of 1970.  I was a bridesmaid, one of four, and dear god, no one told me I was expected to wear sheer white pantyhose with the white sandals.  My toes looked cute.  The other girls&#8217; toes looked weirdly webbed.  But I swear the bride&#8217;s mom wanted to toss me out on my slutty, trailer-trash ass.
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		<title>by: Esme</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-472105</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As for the &quot;unwrapping a package&quot; thing about panty hose? Why is that a concern in the workplace? do we honestly have to be sexy everywhere, even in the workplace? I mean, taken in combination with the article about how evil wiminz are using their sexy womanly pant-suited wiles to entrap men in the workplace into sexual harassment suits, it really seems to be that there's no winning.

Which is, of course, why I blame the patriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As for the &#8220;unwrapping a package&#8221; thing about panty hose? Why is that a concern in the workplace? do we honestly have to be sexy everywhere, even in the workplace? I mean, taken in combination with the article about how evil wiminz are using their sexy womanly pant-suited wiles to entrap men in the workplace into sexual harassment suits, it really seems to be that there&#8217;s no winning.</p>
	<p>Which is, of course, why I blame the patriarchy.
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		<title>by: Casey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-472099</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I once got an office job wear pantyhose was required by all women - even when wearing slacks.

Needless to say, the first day was my last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I once got an office job wear pantyhose was required by all women - even when wearing slacks.</p>
	<p>Needless to say, the first day was my last.
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		<title>by: Jovan1984</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-471754</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've worn pantyhose before as a teenage boy.</description>
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		<title>by: Thena, Sultana of Stale Raisin Bread</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-471554</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I avoid pantyhose whenever possible - hated to wear them to church on sticky southern summer mornings (but it was immodest to have bare legs and wearing pants to church would send you to hell or something), hated to wear them for performances. 

Knee highs cut in behind the knees and show if your skirt is anywhere north of the ankle bone.  Thigh highs - my mother wore those, but they always seemed to land right in the middle of the thigh and either weren't tight enough to stay there or were tight enough to leave a deep red groove for hours.  Panty hose were too tight or too long or both, sagging at the knees, drooping at the crotch, squishing in the middle, develop great gaping holes if you look at them funny or touch them with a fingernail or walk next to anything that might ever once have had a sharp protrusion on it.  Hate hate hate hate hate.

I admit, it got marginally better when I learned that I could actually buy them to fit me, but when I was wearing them to work I was getting maybe two wearings off a pair before it became unusable.  And they offer no substantial warmth whatsoever (though I suppose they might mitigate windburn a little bit; I'm not anxious to experiment since my skin is dry enough already this time of year.) 

As day-to-day wear, nylons royally and truly suck like a name-brand vacuum cleaner.  

I did wear a pair the other day, though, when I was shoveling snow, so my cold wet jeans wouldn't stick to my legs.   

But that doesn't mean the best part of the experience wasn't taking the damn things off. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I avoid pantyhose whenever possible - hated to wear them to church on sticky southern summer mornings (but it was immodest to have bare legs and wearing pants to church would send you to hell or something), hated to wear them for performances. </p>
	<p>Knee highs cut in behind the knees and show if your skirt is anywhere north of the ankle bone.  Thigh highs - my mother wore those, but they always seemed to land right in the middle of the thigh and either weren&#8217;t tight enough to stay there or were tight enough to leave a deep red groove for hours.  Panty hose were too tight or too long or both, sagging at the knees, drooping at the crotch, squishing in the middle, develop great gaping holes if you look at them funny or touch them with a fingernail or walk next to anything that might ever once have had a sharp protrusion on it.  Hate hate hate hate hate.</p>
	<p>I admit, it got marginally better when I learned that I could actually buy them to fit me, but when I was wearing them to work I was getting maybe two wearings off a pair before it became unusable.  And they offer no substantial warmth whatsoever (though I suppose they might mitigate windburn a little bit; I&#8217;m not anxious to experiment since my skin is dry enough already this time of year.) </p>
	<p>As day-to-day wear, nylons royally and truly suck like a name-brand vacuum cleaner.  </p>
	<p>I did wear a pair the other day, though, when I was shoveling snow, so my cold wet jeans wouldn&#8217;t stick to my legs.   </p>
	<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean the best part of the experience wasn&#8217;t taking the damn things off.
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		<title>by: Erin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-471541</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This post actually surprised me, because I didn't know pantyhose ever went out of style. (I'm just that out-of-touch.) But in all seriousness, while I'm not a fan of pantyhose, I do wear it fairly often because a.) I live in Massachusetts, where it's pretty uncomfortable to wear a nice skirt or dress in the winter bare-legged, and b.) they keep me from getting blisters when I wear heels. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This post actually surprised me, because I didn&#8217;t know pantyhose ever went out of style. (I&#8217;m just that out-of-touch.) But in all seriousness, while I&#8217;m not a fan of pantyhose, I do wear it fairly often because a.) I live in Massachusetts, where it&#8217;s pretty uncomfortable to wear a nice skirt or dress in the winter bare-legged, and b.) they keep me from getting blisters when I wear heels.
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		<title>by: Bananaphone</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-471523</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>1.  Whoever invented &quot;control top&quot; nylons should be shot.  Sausage casing doesn't even begin to describe what you feel like when wearing them

2.  Nothing that makes your waist look like a snowman's can be considered sexy.

3. Nylons have only one use at this point: they fit great under a pair of ski pants and thermals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>1.  Whoever invented &#8220;control top&#8221; nylons should be shot.  Sausage casing doesn&#8217;t even begin to describe what you feel like when wearing them</p>
	<p>2.  Nothing that makes your waist look like a snowman&#8217;s can be considered sexy.</p>
	<p>3. Nylons have only one use at this point: they fit great under a pair of ski pants and thermals.
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-471517</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;There’s also a racial component to pantyhose, with “nude” being white-normative and people of color being some deviance from the white-defined standard.&lt;/i&gt;

And it's only &quot;white&quot; within a very narrow range.  God forbid you should have (like me) ancestry from places like Ireland and end up with legs that your friends refer to as &quot;sharkbait&quot; if you're at the beach.  Wearing &quot;nude&quot; hose makes me look like I sprayed my legs with wood stain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>There’s also a racial component to pantyhose, with “nude” being white-normative and people of color being some deviance from the white-defined standard.</i></p>
	<p>And it&#8217;s only &#8220;white&#8221; within a very narrow range.  God forbid you should have (like me) ancestry from places like Ireland and end up with legs that your friends refer to as &#8220;sharkbait&#8221; if you&#8217;re at the beach.  Wearing &#8220;nude&#8221; hose makes me look like I sprayed my legs with wood stain.
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		<title>by: Atrobean</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/6390/#comment-471491</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Apparently &quot;pantyhose&quot; with just about any descriptor run through a search engine of your choosing will transport you into bizarro world of porn, salacious sexual fetishes, and there's something about stuffing a corpse into nylon stockings and strangulation. I wonder if all these &quot;proper&quot; types espousing the use of pantyhose know about the fornication, masturbation, and enervated morals they're encouraging.  

&lt;i&gt;women should judge the quality of their legs to decide if they can abstain from wearing pantyhose.&lt;/i&gt; 

Ok, now I want practical joke pantyhose.  I have ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Apparently &#8220;pantyhose&#8221; with just about any descriptor run through a search engine of your choosing will transport you into bizarro world of porn, salacious sexual fetishes, and there&#8217;s something about stuffing a corpse into nylon stockings and strangulation. I wonder if all these &#8220;proper&#8221; types espousing the use of pantyhose know about the fornication, masturbation, and enervated morals they&#8217;re encouraging.  </p>
	<p><i>women should judge the quality of their legs to decide if they can abstain from wearing pantyhose.</i> </p>
	<p>Ok, now I want practical joke pantyhose.  I have ideas.
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