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	<title>Comments on: Dapper Don Wildmon to Pentagon: protect soldiers from porn</title>
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		<title>by: Cara</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466531</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You're right, we're laughing at you (&quot;convulsing&quot;).  You can take it.  (That's why you keep coming back to it, right)?

I'd really appreciate it if you could speak to your remark about Male Sexuality, since you ARE the one who brought it up.  Like I said initially, I'm confused.   Lay it out for me.  You're the expert.  (I really don't get why only one guy tried to answer it, and the rest went all apeshit and tried to be cute).  

WHY is an image necessary for a man to masturbate?  A corollary to that question is why is he &lt;i&gt;entitled&lt;/i&gt; to use a real woman's image, but one thing at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;re right, we&#8217;re laughing at you (&#8221;convulsing&#8221;).  You can take it.  (That&#8217;s why you keep coming back to it, right)?</p>
	<p>I&#8217;d really appreciate it if you could speak to your remark about Male Sexuality, since you ARE the one who brought it up.  Like I said initially, I&#8217;m confused.   Lay it out for me.  You&#8217;re the expert.  (I really don&#8217;t get why only one guy tried to answer it, and the rest went all apeshit and tried to be cute).  </p>
	<p>WHY is an image necessary for a man to masturbate?  A corollary to that question is why is he <i>entitled</i> to use a real woman&#8217;s image, but one thing at a time.
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		<title>by: justicewalks</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466448</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466448</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hardly.  There was no “personal attack”; porn is all okay, right? :) &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No kidding, Cara.  How could the assumption that a man needs porn in order to stoke the Power of his Male Sexuality*, if such an assumption had even been made, be construed as a &quot;personal attack&quot; if there's nothing wrong with porn?

*I love the &lt;i&gt;reverent&lt;/i&gt; capitalization, by the way.  Pure genius.

Rape apologist, plausible deniability will get you nowhere.  As if Catholics aren't misogynist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Hardly.  There was no “personal attack”; porn is all okay, right? <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p></blockquote>
	<p>No kidding, Cara.  How could the assumption that a man needs porn in order to stoke the Power of his Male Sexuality*, if such an assumption had even been made, be construed as a &#8220;personal attack&#8221; if there&#8217;s nothing wrong with porn?</p>
	<p>*I love the <i>reverent</i> capitalization, by the way.  Pure genius.</p>
	<p>Rape apologist, plausible deniability will get you nowhere.  As if Catholics aren&#8217;t misogynist.
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		<title>by: PhoenicianRomans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466439</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466439</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh, and “Little Sisters”? Misogynist.&lt;/i&gt;

No, just Catholic.  You're identifying yourselves quite well.

I do love the convulsions currently being displayed.  Carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Oh, and “Little Sisters”? Misogynist.</i></p>
	<p>No, just Catholic.  You&#8217;re identifying yourselves quite well.</p>
	<p>I do love the convulsions currently being displayed.  Carry on.
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		<title>by: Cara</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466305</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466305</guid>
					<description>Also:  once again, YOU don't get to decide which concerns about porn are &quot;valid&quot; and which ones aren't.  YOU are not exactly the best judge about what's misogynistic and what's not, especially because you're NOT a woman.  

(I know, I know--you can be more &quot;objective&quot; about it, right? ;)  So unfair that &lt;b&gt;you&lt;/b&gt; don't get to define all women's experience, since you can see our lives so much more clearly than we can). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also:  once again, YOU don&#8217;t get to decide which concerns about porn are &#8220;valid&#8221; and which ones aren&#8217;t.  YOU are not exactly the best judge about what&#8217;s misogynistic and what&#8217;s not, especially because you&#8217;re NOT a woman.  </p>
	<p>(I know, I know&#8211;you can be more &#8220;objective&#8221; about it, right? <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   So unfair that <b>you</b> don&#8217;t get to define all women&#8217;s experience, since you can see our lives so much more clearly than we can).
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		<title>by: Cara</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466276</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466276</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Fascinating. I haven’t made any comment about my own sexual activity above, and yet assumptions about this are what you choose to target in personal attacks.

Very telling.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hardly.  :)  There was no &quot;personal attack&quot;; porn is all okay, right?

You're bent out of shape because some women expressed their own opinions on the subject.  Why?  &lt;i&gt;It's all okay, right?&lt;/i&gt;

You're working overtime trying to catch some discrepancy in what's been said.  Your lack of reading comprehension is not our problem.  Your oblique &quot;gotcha&quot; remarks are pretty funny, since they don't &lt;b&gt;say&lt;/b&gt; anything and you haven't tripped anyone up.  :)  Kind of difficult to win an argument when nobody's arguing, but go ahead and keep trying, if you want to.

You're eager to have something specific said to &quot;draw the discussion to a close.&quot;  Why?  You can bail out any time.  ;)  &lt;i&gt;Porn's all good.&lt;/i&gt;  Right?  It's all okay, and those of us with other opinions are just mean or manhating.  :)  So what's the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Fascinating. I haven’t made any comment about my own sexual activity above, and yet assumptions about this are what you choose to target in personal attacks.</p>
	<p>Very telling.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Hardly.  <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   There was no &#8220;personal attack&#8221;; porn is all okay, right?</p>
	<p>You&#8217;re bent out of shape because some women expressed their own opinions on the subject.  Why?  <i>It&#8217;s all okay, right?</i></p>
	<p>You&#8217;re working overtime trying to catch some discrepancy in what&#8217;s been said.  Your lack of reading comprehension is not our problem.  Your oblique &#8220;gotcha&#8221; remarks are pretty funny, since they don&#8217;t <b>say</b> anything and you haven&#8217;t tripped anyone up.  <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Kind of difficult to win an argument when nobody&#8217;s arguing, but go ahead and keep trying, if you want to.</p>
	<p>You&#8217;re eager to have something specific said to &#8220;draw the discussion to a close.&#8221;  Why?  You can bail out any time.  <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   <i>Porn&#8217;s all good.</i>  Right?  It&#8217;s all okay, and those of us with other opinions are just mean or manhating.  <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   So what&#8217;s the problem?
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		<title>by: justicewalks</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466269</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466269</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I haven’t made any comment about my own sexual activity above, and yet assumptions about this are what you choose to target in personal attacks.

Very telling.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

HA!

That you chose to interpret what was a generic 'you' as something specific to yourself is even more telling.  

The sentence was directed at you, yes, but the 'you' contained within the sentence was generic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I haven’t made any comment about my own sexual activity above, and yet assumptions about this are what you choose to target in personal attacks.</p>
	<p>Very telling.</p></blockquote>
	<p>HA!</p>
	<p>That you chose to interpret what was a generic &#8216;you&#8217; as something specific to yourself is even more telling.  </p>
	<p>The sentence was directed at you, yes, but the &#8216;you&#8217; contained within the sentence was generic.
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		<title>by: justicewalks</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466252</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466252</guid>
					<description>Also, exploitation doesn't just apply to transactions/interactions between individuals.  Porn, as an industry, is exploitative of women's low status in society.  And it perpetuates it.  Porn, as a transaction, is exploitative of individual women.

So, you know, when I say all porn is exploitative, I don't have to have a particular porn &quot;star&quot; in mind, oh, rape apologist of stunted reading comprehension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also, exploitation doesn&#8217;t just apply to transactions/interactions between individuals.  Porn, as an industry, is exploitative of women&#8217;s low status in society.  And it perpetuates it.  Porn, as a transaction, is exploitative of individual women.</p>
	<p>So, you know, when I say all porn is exploitative, I don&#8217;t have to have a particular porn &#8220;star&#8221; in mind, oh, rape apologist of stunted reading comprehension.
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		<title>by: justicewalks</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466247</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466247</guid>
					<description>Sigh.  You're not very bright.  The misogyny is in our culture, rape apologist.  When our culture is no longer misogynist, porn will be OK.  Those are the conditions.

It's just that, when those conditions are met, you won't even want your precious porn.

Oh, and &quot;Little Sisters&quot;?  Misogynist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sigh.  You&#8217;re not very bright.  The misogyny is in our culture, rape apologist.  When our culture is no longer misogynist, porn will be OK.  Those are the conditions.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s just that, when those conditions are met, you won&#8217;t even want your precious porn.</p>
	<p>Oh, and &#8220;Little Sisters&#8221;?  Misogynist.
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		<title>by: PhoenicianRomans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466243</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466243</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Phoenician in Apologia to odfashioned Rape, like Cara said, if you want to masturbate to pictures of women/girls or likenesses of women/girls being violated, by all means carry on. Just don’t try to make it out like it’s some sort of feminist feat.&lt;/i&gt;

Fascinating.  I haven't made any comment about my own sexual activity above, and yet assumptions about this are what you choose to target in personal attacks.

Very telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Phoenician in Apologia to odfashioned Rape, like Cara said, if you want to masturbate to pictures of women/girls or likenesses of women/girls being violated, by all means carry on. Just don’t try to make it out like it’s some sort of feminist feat.</i></p>
	<p>Fascinating.  I haven&#8217;t made any comment about my own sexual activity above, and yet assumptions about this are what you choose to target in personal attacks.</p>
	<p>Very telling.
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		<title>by: PhoenicianRomans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/07/dapper-don-wildmon-to-pentagon-protect-soldiers-from-porn/#comment-466211</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;No, I would not “like to make a statement applying that to [your] question.”&lt;/i&gt;

Didn't think so.

But at least we've established that your stance is thatt porn is bad, regardless of whether it expolits women, and regardless of whether it contains misogynistic elements. 

You appear to be stating that any porn - presumably any picture of the naked body, male or female, used by gays, straights or bis for salacious purposes - is ontologically misogynist.

I wish the Little Sisters could have sorted that right out from the start rather than throwing red herrings about &lt;b&gt;valid&lt;/b&gt; objections based on exploitation or, you know, misogyny &lt;b&gt;in&lt;/b&gt; porn.  It would have saved so much time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>No, I would not “like to make a statement applying that to [your] question.”</i></p>
	<p>Didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
	<p>But at least we&#8217;ve established that your stance is thatt porn is bad, regardless of whether it expolits women, and regardless of whether it contains misogynistic elements. </p>
	<p>You appear to be stating that any porn - presumably any picture of the naked body, male or female, used by gays, straights or bis for salacious purposes - is ontologically misogynist.</p>
	<p>I wish the Little Sisters could have sorted that right out from the start rather than throwing red herrings about <b>valid</b> objections based on exploitation or, you know, misogyny <b>in</b> porn.  It would have saved so much time.
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