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		<title>by: PhoenicianRomans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464299</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Smerconish doesn’t view vaginas as warmly inviting and would like to blame feminists for the lack of &lt;b&gt;warm vaginal invitations&lt;/b&gt; (italics mine) into his life.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That great turn of phrase cannot be executed at all with the word vajayjay. 

Vajayjicitation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;Smerconish doesn’t view vaginas as warmly inviting and would like to blame feminists for the lack of <b>warm vaginal invitations</b> (italics mine) into his life.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>That great turn of phrase cannot be executed at all with the word vajayjay. </p>
	<p>Vajayjicitation
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		<title>by: Mefft</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464274</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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Smerconish doesn’t view vaginas as warmly inviting and would like to blame feminists for the lack of &lt;i&gt;warm vaginal invitations&lt;/i&gt; (italics mine) into his life.
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That great turn of phrase cannot be executed at all with the word vajayjay.    
 
But I honestly do not see what your constant war on the Nice Guise is all about.   Not all people participating in the 'Nice' Guise have the sense of entitlement you are suggesting in other posts.


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Smerconish doesn’t view vaginas as warmly inviting and would like to blame feminists for the lack of <i>warm vaginal invitations</i> (italics mine) into his life.
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	<p>That great turn of phrase cannot be executed at all with the word vajayjay.    </p>
	<p>But I honestly do not see what your constant war on the Nice Guise is all about.   Not all people participating in the &#8216;Nice&#8217; Guise have the sense of entitlement you are suggesting in other posts.
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		<title>by: murcielago</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464165</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, and &quot;poon&quot; is hilarious for precisely one reason: because it's my boyfriend's surname. The genderbending dirty jokes, they make themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, and &#8220;poon&#8221; is hilarious for precisely one reason: because it&#8217;s my boyfriend&#8217;s surname. The genderbending dirty jokes, they make themselves.
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		<title>by: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464157</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Coming a bit late to this, I know, but like a great many people in the British Commonwealth I grew up referring to my vulvar area as a &quot;fanny&quot;.

Unfortunately, globalised TV has meant that we're all too aware that in US English &quot;fanny&quot; means &quot;bottom&quot;, and so it's tended to die out.  It's a real shame, because it was used fairly unselfconsciously as slang equivalent to &quot;cock&quot; as slang for the penis, without being turned into an insult in the way that pussy/cunt/twat have been.

In Britain itself &quot;fanny&quot; may still hold sway, although &quot;vag&quot; seems to be common if British TV comedies are anything to go by, as well as &quot;punani&quot; (which I first heard from Ali G, but apparently is quite widely used).

&quot;Vajayjay&quot; does strike me as overly infantilising, but I don't entirely hate it.

P.S. still can't believe he wrote &quot;open for business&quot;.  What a numpty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Coming a bit late to this, I know, but like a great many people in the British Commonwealth I grew up referring to my vulvar area as a &#8220;fanny&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Unfortunately, globalised TV has meant that we&#8217;re all too aware that in US English &#8220;fanny&#8221; means &#8220;bottom&#8221;, and so it&#8217;s tended to die out.  It&#8217;s a real shame, because it was used fairly unselfconsciously as slang equivalent to &#8220;cock&#8221; as slang for the penis, without being turned into an insult in the way that pussy/cunt/twat have been.</p>
	<p>In Britain itself &#8220;fanny&#8221; may still hold sway, although &#8220;vag&#8221; seems to be common if British TV comedies are anything to go by, as well as &#8220;punani&#8221; (which I first heard from Ali G, but apparently is quite widely used).</p>
	<p>&#8220;Vajayjay&#8221; does strike me as overly infantilising, but I don&#8217;t entirely hate it.</p>
	<p>P.S. still can&#8217;t believe he wrote &#8220;open for business&#8221;.  What a numpty.
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		<title>by: speedbudget</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464119</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't know what's going on with this ridiculous computer.  If this goes twice, sorry.

I have always like &quot;schlong&quot; for penis and &quot;gotch&quot; for vagina.  They are great, dirty-sounding words with a vague onomatopoeticness.</description>
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	<p>I have always like &#8220;schlong&#8221; for penis and &#8220;gotch&#8221; for vagina.  They are great, dirty-sounding words with a vague onomatopoeticness.
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		<title>by: speedbudget</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464118</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I always liked &quot;schlong&quot; for penis and &quot;gotch&quot; for vagina.  I like how they sound dirty and like they want to get down to business.  Also, they are almost onomatopoetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I always liked &#8220;schlong&#8221; for penis and &#8220;gotch&#8221; for vagina.  I like how they sound dirty and like they want to get down to business.  Also, they are almost onomatopoetic.
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		<title>by: Mhorag</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464112</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ms. Kate:  Teeenypeeenee!!  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!  Oh, I LUV it!

I will confess that my husband and I have pet names for our respective genitalia (which I will not burden you with), but it really wasn't until I read this that the reason why we did so became clear (I think).

The slang terms for genitalia are all-too-often used as insults.  The one phrase absolutely guaranteed to turn me into a raging homicidal maniac is &quot;Stupid cunt!&quot;  The second phrase is to hear my husband called a &quot;dickhead.&quot;  Excuse me?  Some of the greatest pleasure available comes to us through our genitals, and we use the terms for them as insults - to hurt and degrade?!

Since neither of us want to insult the other, we simply don't use those slang terms as part of our sexual repertoire (although &quot;fuck me, fuck me!&quot; is pretty popular :)).

As far as clinical terms go, clinical terms should be used in clinical situations - i.e., we're discussing actual medical conditions, or talking about specific areas that need to be touched/not touched, etc.  Sexual arousal is not part of the equation.

But the use of the pet names - for us, anyway, it makes the sexual situation more intimate.  There's no doubt as exactly who's equipment is being referred to, and there's no doubt that love and affection are what's being offered and experienced.   Even when it makes me laugh (and yes, I realize it's probably pretty immature), it also makes me feel loved.  I think that's really the important point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ms. Kate:  Teeenypeeenee!!  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!  Oh, I LUV it!</p>
	<p>I will confess that my husband and I have pet names for our respective genitalia (which I will not burden you with), but it really wasn&#8217;t until I read this that the reason why we did so became clear (I think).</p>
	<p>The slang terms for genitalia are all-too-often used as insults.  The one phrase absolutely guaranteed to turn me into a raging homicidal maniac is &#8220;Stupid cunt!&#8221;  The second phrase is to hear my husband called a &#8220;dickhead.&#8221;  Excuse me?  Some of the greatest pleasure available comes to us through our genitals, and we use the terms for them as insults - to hurt and degrade?!</p>
	<p>Since neither of us want to insult the other, we simply don&#8217;t use those slang terms as part of our sexual repertoire (although &#8220;fuck me, fuck me!&#8221; is pretty popular <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
	<p>As far as clinical terms go, clinical terms should be used in clinical situations - i.e., we&#8217;re discussing actual medical conditions, or talking about specific areas that need to be touched/not touched, etc.  Sexual arousal is not part of the equation.</p>
	<p>But the use of the pet names - for us, anyway, it makes the sexual situation more intimate.  There&#8217;s no doubt as exactly who&#8217;s equipment is being referred to, and there&#8217;s no doubt that love and affection are what&#8217;s being offered and experienced.   Even when it makes me laugh (and yes, I realize it&#8217;s probably pretty immature), it also makes me feel loved.  I think that&#8217;s really the important point.
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		<title>by: Meowser</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464050</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Unbelievably enough, Ms. Kate, about a decade or so ago AOL decided that using the word &quot;breast&quot; in its forums was a TOS violation.  So for a short period of time, until they were browbeaten into coming to their senses (i.e. a critical mass of people threatened to cancel their memberships and never return), the Breast Cancer Survivors Forum had to be renamed &quot;the Hooter Cancer Survivors Forum.&quot;  I wish I was making that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Unbelievably enough, Ms. Kate, about a decade or so ago AOL decided that using the word &#8220;breast&#8221; in its forums was a TOS violation.  So for a short period of time, until they were browbeaten into coming to their senses (i.e. a critical mass of people threatened to cancel their memberships and never return), the Breast Cancer Survivors Forum had to be renamed &#8220;the Hooter Cancer Survivors Forum.&#8221;  I wish I was making that up.
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		<title>by: LemonAide</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464042</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Linda &quot;I was talking to a few of my women friends, all former feminists and now revolutionary communists, about how I still thought “vagina” was so “clinical” and it would kill the mood if a lover whispered it in bed. Why, they both asked, was “penis” acceptable, but not “vagina”?&quot;

Well, I don't know if it's more accepted in society, but I don't really want to hear either word in bed when I'm having sex.   I started something with one guy a long long time ago who described every single part of every act with a detached and clinical manner - forget it.  Killed any desire I had for anything.   I've been married a long time so it's not an issue anymore - we both know what we like and what little signals will get us that thing without saying anything - but I wouldn't want to navigate that all over again with someone new.   

As far as casual conversations I still can't think of any where penis or vagina come up for any particular reason.

Um - my husband walked by just now and said &quot;In your little box&quot; and since we're discussing vaginas I thought he meant that.   He meant the little box I'm typing in.   For some reason the term box has never bothered me.   I don't like vajayjay though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Linda &#8220;I was talking to a few of my women friends, all former feminists and now revolutionary communists, about how I still thought “vagina” was so “clinical” and it would kill the mood if a lover whispered it in bed. Why, they both asked, was “penis” acceptable, but not “vagina”?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s more accepted in society, but I don&#8217;t really want to hear either word in bed when I&#8217;m having sex.   I started something with one guy a long long time ago who described every single part of every act with a detached and clinical manner - forget it.  Killed any desire I had for anything.   I&#8217;ve been married a long time so it&#8217;s not an issue anymore - we both know what we like and what little signals will get us that thing without saying anything - but I wouldn&#8217;t want to navigate that all over again with someone new.   </p>
	<p>As far as casual conversations I still can&#8217;t think of any where penis or vagina come up for any particular reason.</p>
	<p>Um - my husband walked by just now and said &#8220;In your little box&#8221; and since we&#8217;re discussing vaginas I thought he meant that.   He meant the little box I&#8217;m typing in.   For some reason the term box has never bothered me.   I don&#8217;t like vajayjay though.
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		<title>by: Ms Kate, Mother of All Apple Pies</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/03/6272/#comment-464038</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;“Vajayay” is to “vagina” as “boob” is to “breast.”&lt;/i&gt;

One is the anatomical name for use in medical settings, the other is a colloquial reference or pet name.

My son's godmother doesn't say &quot;I have BOOB cancer&quot;, nor is she subjecting herself to chemotherapy for Boob Cancer. She has breast cancer.  She might say that it affects her boobs, in casual conversation, but the medical term is breast cancer nonetheless.  If a doctor walked in and said &quot;you have Boob cancer&quot;, it would be considered highly unprofessional and trivializing.

The problem isn't the sing-song silly of &quot;vajayjay&quot; per se, but that a portrayal of a medical situation calls for the proper anatomical term to be used.  The additional problem is that the MALE sex organ may be referred to in proper anatomical terms, but the proper anatomical term for the FEMALE sex organ is censored as too dirty to air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>“Vajayay” is to “vagina” as “boob” is to “breast.”</i></p>
	<p>One is the anatomical name for use in medical settings, the other is a colloquial reference or pet name.</p>
	<p>My son&#8217;s godmother doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;I have BOOB cancer&#8221;, nor is she subjecting herself to chemotherapy for Boob Cancer. She has breast cancer.  She might say that it affects her boobs, in casual conversation, but the medical term is breast cancer nonetheless.  If a doctor walked in and said &#8220;you have Boob cancer&#8221;, it would be considered highly unprofessional and trivializing.</p>
	<p>The problem isn&#8217;t the sing-song silly of &#8220;vajayjay&#8221; per se, but that a portrayal of a medical situation calls for the proper anatomical term to be used.  The additional problem is that the MALE sex organ may be referred to in proper anatomical terms, but the proper anatomical term for the FEMALE sex organ is censored as too dirty to air.
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