Comments on: Short skirts and death masks http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:52:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Fyren http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-464192 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:15:40 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-464192 I never considered men to be sexy until I started to stare at ancient statues in high-school. I've wondered at this until I realised it's possibly because they're *meant* to be ideal and beautiful and everything attractive, regardless of personality. I'm all for men taking up short chitons and tunics for Halloween or any soldier's uniform prior WW2 or normal clothes prior Victorian (hah, when gentlemen's clothes got *comfortable*) It's funny how the standard dress for men turned *less* sexy as time goes on while the standard for women seemed to be more sexy. Sometimes I suspect it's because when women got out of the house, men wanted another way to disparage them.... I never considered men to be sexy until I started to stare at ancient statues in high-school. I’ve wondered at this until I realised it’s possibly because they’re *meant* to be ideal and beautiful and everything attractive, regardless of personality.

I’m all for men taking up short chitons and tunics for Halloween or any soldier’s uniform prior WW2 or normal clothes prior Victorian (hah, when gentlemen’s clothes got *comfortable*)

It’s funny how the standard dress for men turned *less* sexy as time goes on while the standard for women seemed to be more sexy. Sometimes I suspect it’s because when women got out of the house, men wanted another way to disparage them….

]]> by: Nancy http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463824 Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:17:00 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463824 <em>While i disagree with Stein, I can see his point. I’m very turned on by male bodies, but i can’t think of a way to dress them up on Halloween that would sex them up. Women have the sexy witch, sexy vampire, etc. costumes but men in costumes just look goofy. Maybe a lifeguard, but that’s a pretty lame costume.</em> Your imagination is completely colonized by the Patriarchy. And lifeguard is a lame costume???? Assuming a hot guy is wearing it, how is that possible? Other suggestions - and as with hot costumes for women, it helps immensely if the men wearing them have great bodies and pretty faces. Screw double standards. Elizabethan apparel w/codpiece Saint Sebastian A figure from a Greek vase painting http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/1/1b/250px-Ganymede_hoop_Louvre_G175.jpg Roman centurian Sexy Indian brave Sexy cowboy Leather dude so many more.. We can't let them constrict our minds with their gender cages While i disagree with Stein, I can see his point. I’m very turned on by male bodies, but i can’t think of a way to dress them up on Halloween that would sex them up. Women have the sexy witch, sexy vampire, etc. costumes but men in costumes just look goofy.

Maybe a lifeguard, but that’s a pretty lame costume.

Your imagination is completely colonized by the Patriarchy.

And lifeguard is a lame costume???? Assuming a hot guy is wearing it, how is that possible?

Other suggestions - and as with hot costumes for women, it helps immensely if the men wearing them have great bodies and pretty faces. Screw double standards.

Elizabethan apparel w/codpiece

Saint Sebastian

A figure from a Greek vase painting
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/1/1b/250px-Ganymede_hoop_Louvre_G175.jpg

Roman centurian

Sexy Indian brave

Sexy cowboy

Leather dude

so many more..

We can’t let them constrict our minds with their gender cages

]]> by: Alara Rogers http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463670 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:36:48 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463670 Just had to say something regarding fat, in reference to my comments and others' responses: I am 5'0" and 160 lbs. My thighs chafe against each other and make it painful to wear`short shorts or skirts in the summer, I have a double chin, and my stomach muscles were pushed to either side of my abdomen by my pregnancy, so now, with my baby almost 18 months old, I look five months pregnant. I am, by any metric, fat. But because I am only 5'0" and small framed, I only wear a size 12. If I was 5'7" I would not be fat at all. This, BTW, is why I profoundly hate American sizing. The notion that a 5'0" and 5'7" woman could possibly wear the same size clothes, ever, is insane. In order to find pants that fit my huge ass and can pull up over my giant belly, I must wear pants in a size where the legs trail all over my shoes and I end up ruining the bottom of the pants (and no, I am not skilled enough with a sewing needle to hem the damn things.) Men's sizing, where there is a measurement for the waist and one for the leg, seems much saner. When I was healthy and a good weight for my body, I was a size 6 or 8. If I was a size 18, at my height, I would probably be dead. So yeah. I'm not saying anything about anyone else's weight based on their clothing size, because I don't know their height and I don't know their muscle density and I don't know how well they carry the weight, but I am size 12 and I am fat. Sorry, you can't look pregnant for a year and a half and not come to the conclusion that you are fat. The worst of it appearance-wise is actually not my fault -- the broken stomach muscles and pregnant-looking belly are not actually the result of my weight at all and losing weight would not help them -- but the big butt, thick thighs and double chin are me being fat. Just had to say something regarding fat, in reference to my comments and others’ responses:

I am 5′0″ and 160 lbs. My thighs chafe against each other and make it painful to wear`short shorts or skirts in the summer, I have a double chin, and my stomach muscles were pushed to either side of my abdomen by my pregnancy, so now, with my baby almost 18 months old, I look five months pregnant. I am, by any metric, fat. But because I am only 5′0″ and small framed, I only wear a size 12. If I was 5′7″ I would not be fat at all.

This, BTW, is why I profoundly hate American sizing. The notion that a 5′0″ and 5′7″ woman could possibly wear the same size clothes, ever, is insane. In order to find pants that fit my huge ass and can pull up over my giant belly, I must wear pants in a size where the legs trail all over my shoes and I end up ruining the bottom of the pants (and no, I am not skilled enough with a sewing needle to hem the damn things.) Men’s sizing, where there is a measurement for the waist and one for the leg, seems much saner. When I was healthy and a good weight for my body, I was a size 6 or 8. If I was a size 18, at my height, I would probably be dead.

So yeah. I’m not saying anything about anyone else’s weight based on their clothing size, because I don’t know their height and I don’t know their muscle density and I don’t know how well they carry the weight, but I am size 12 and I am fat. Sorry, you can’t look pregnant for a year and a half and not come to the conclusion that you are fat. The worst of it appearance-wise is actually not my fault — the broken stomach muscles and pregnant-looking belly are not actually the result of my weight at all and losing weight would not help them — but the big butt, thick thighs and double chin are me being fat.

]]> by: bernarda http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463467 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:14:16 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463467 The uptight wingnut perverts at Fox Newsiness and elsewhere seem to have forgotten 13-year-old stars like Deanna Durbin and Judy Garland. They were presented in a rather sexy manner. Here is one of Deanna. Not short skirts, but short shorts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k867RezewKw Then there was Judy singing "You Made Me Love You". BTW, look up a lot of clips of Deanna Durbin, it will do your heart good. The uptight wingnut perverts at Fox Newsiness and elsewhere seem to have forgotten 13-year-old stars like Deanna Durbin and Judy Garland. They were presented in a rather sexy manner. Here is one of Deanna. Not short skirts, but short shorts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k867RezewKw

Then there was Judy singing “You Made Me Love You”.

BTW, look up a lot of clips of Deanna Durbin, it will do your heart good.

]]> by: Chris http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463466 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:58:33 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463466 That cat is a slut. I mean, look, no pants! Won't anyone think of the felines? That cat is a slut. I mean, look, no pants!

Won’t anyone think of the felines?

]]> by: JoAnne http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463427 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:37:27 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463427 A man can be sexy in voluptuous materials and decadent clothing, and he doesn't have to be shaped like a Chippendale's dancer to do it. Satan can be a charmer, offering money, chocolate, or other earthly delights with a wicked smile. Formal attire is made to flatter most male shapes, so an average man in a tuxedo or nice suit tends to look good. On the other hand, if a male does have a conventionally sexy body, he can flaunt it. There were at least two buff gladiators in loincloths at the (large outdoor) festivity I attended last night. A man can be sexy in voluptuous materials and decadent clothing, and he doesn’t have to be shaped like a Chippendale’s dancer to do it. Satan can be a charmer, offering money, chocolate, or other earthly delights with a wicked smile. Formal attire is made to flatter most male shapes, so an average man in a tuxedo or nice suit tends to look good.

On the other hand, if a male does have a conventionally sexy body, he can flaunt it. There were at least two buff gladiators in loincloths at the (large outdoor) festivity I attended last night.

]]> by: Aeryl http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463377 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:28:09 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463377 My fiance dressed as a sniper in a gilly suit, camo paint, the whole nine yards. It was very sexy, IMO. Only sucked cuz I couldn't kiss him without getting facepaint all over my pretty fairy face :P My fiance dressed as a sniper in a gilly suit, camo paint, the whole nine yards. It was very sexy, IMO. Only sucked cuz I couldn’t kiss him without getting facepaint all over my pretty fairy face :P

]]> by: DeadMan http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463372 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:54:35 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463372 I think one of the subtle things going on with the whole “women don’t find men sexy” thing is that when thinking of a man in a sexy context people usually think of real men , a little fat , not all rippling muscle, a regular shmo (like me). In the case of women the image in most peoples mind would be the patriarchy approved “perfect” woman we see in TV, movies and magazines. So men are ugly because they are real people with minor flaws women are sexy because we hold them up to an impossible standard that almost nobody can actually achieve. Just a pet theory of mine DeadMan I think one of the subtle things going on with the whole “women don’t find men sexy” thing is that when thinking of a man in a sexy context people usually think of real men , a little fat , not all rippling muscle, a regular shmo (like me). In the case of women the image in most peoples mind would be the patriarchy approved “perfect” woman we see in TV, movies and magazines. So men are ugly because they are real people with minor flaws women are sexy because we hold them up to an impossible standard that almost nobody can actually achieve.

Just a pet theory of mine

DeadMan

]]> by: Redstar http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463277 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:04:32 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463277 I see Hector has already pointed out that Halloween has deep Catholic roots. Furthermore, Mardi Gras/Carnival is deeply rooted in African traditions too, though the one folks recognize outside of NOLA is the white appropriated and modified version. It's association with both racist notions of hedonism/sexuality and a more contemporary/consumerist Bourbon St bachnalia are probably why it has "not caught on." I see Hector has already pointed out that Halloween has deep Catholic roots.

Furthermore, Mardi Gras/Carnival is deeply rooted in African traditions too, though the one folks recognize outside of NOLA is the white appropriated and modified version. It’s association with both racist notions of hedonism/sexuality and a more contemporary/consumerist Bourbon St bachnalia are probably why it has “not caught on.”

]]> by: Dennis http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463275 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:03:48 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/31/6256/#comment-463275 Cary Tennis's interlocutor in the linked column named herself Concerned About the Kids. Concerned about the fucking goddamned kids. You know what? I'm concerned about the kids. I'm concerned that everyone out there who is actually concerned about the kids for a non-bullshit reason is going to bury that concern deep inside because they're so fucking sick of hearing about concern for children from fucking morons who are terrified that women will let someone see their fucking vajayjay before they're married. And then who will think of the children? Cary Tennis’s interlocutor in the linked column named herself Concerned About the Kids. Concerned about the fucking goddamned kids.

You know what? I’m concerned about the kids. I’m concerned that everyone out there who is actually concerned about the kids for a non-bullshit reason is going to bury that concern deep inside because they’re so fucking sick of hearing about concern for children from fucking morons who are terrified that women will let someone see their fucking vajayjay before they’re married.

And then who will think of the children?

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