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		<title>by: Doug S.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463460</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In general, racial/ethnic slurs have replaced bodily functions and blasphemy as the primary components of the list of &quot;words you can't say in polite company.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In general, racial/ethnic slurs have replaced bodily functions and blasphemy as the primary components of the list of &#8220;words you can&#8217;t say in polite company.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Flora, Mistress of Marmite</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463381</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463381</guid>
					<description>@mothworm: Actually, NFP works fine when you use it as directed, just like condoms and the Pill.  I think the Catholic church's reasoning is that it's OK to abstain on days you don't want to conceive, but I don't get why it's OK (if the goal of sex is strictly procreation) to have sex only on days you know you can't conceive.  

The convergence lately between hardline Catholics and Protestants... just sucks.  I think (those) Catholics see an opportunity to expand their base into the Christian right by sidelining their church's traditional social justice concerns, while right-wing Protestant Christians see the Catholic hierarchy as the perfect structure for their Evil Empire, sort of a Borg for them to plug into and take over.

But I'm way, way off the topic of this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@mothworm: Actually, NFP works fine when you use it as directed, just like condoms and the Pill.  I think the Catholic church&#8217;s reasoning is that it&#8217;s OK to abstain on days you don&#8217;t want to conceive, but I don&#8217;t get why it&#8217;s OK (if the goal of sex is strictly procreation) to have sex only on days you know you can&#8217;t conceive.  </p>
	<p>The convergence lately between hardline Catholics and Protestants&#8230; just sucks.  I think (those) Catholics see an opportunity to expand their base into the Christian right by sidelining their church&#8217;s traditional social justice concerns, while right-wing Protestant Christians see the Catholic hierarchy as the perfect structure for their Evil Empire, sort of a Borg for them to plug into and take over.</p>
	<p>But I&#8217;m way, way off the topic of this thread.
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		<title>by: Frederick</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463352</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I hate the word &quot;kudos&quot; myself.  Can't think of any other words I really hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I hate the word &#8220;kudos&#8221; myself.  Can&#8217;t think of any other words I really hate.
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		<title>by: mothworm</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463306</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For that matter, I don’t understand completely why NFP/Fertility Awareness is OK by church standards but barrier and hormonal methods aren’t. But I think Catholics tend to ignore church teaching on birth control anyway, so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Birth control is birth control, isn't it? I've always said thet NFP is birth control, it's just really crappy birth control, which is why the Church wants you to use it. It has the illusion of giving you control, but more often than not it's going to get you pregnant.

I used to think it was weird that a lot of protestant and evangelical sects have become hard-core anti-birth-control advocates, but, as I've learned from reading this site, they've just been holding that tendency in check so they could pretend being anti-choice was about being pro-baby, not anti-woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>For that matter, I don’t understand completely why NFP/Fertility Awareness is OK by church standards but barrier and hormonal methods aren’t. But I think Catholics tend to ignore church teaching on birth control anyway, so.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Birth control is birth control, isn&#8217;t it? I&#8217;ve always said thet NFP is birth control, it&#8217;s just really crappy birth control, which is why the Church wants you to use it. It has the illusion of giving you control, but more often than not it&#8217;s going to get you pregnant.</p>
	<p>I used to think it was weird that a lot of protestant and evangelical sects have become hard-core anti-birth-control advocates, but, as I&#8217;ve learned from reading this site, they&#8217;ve just been holding that tendency in check so they could pretend being anti-choice was about being pro-baby, not anti-woman.
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		<title>by: Flora, Mistress of Marmite</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463208</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463208</guid>
					<description>@Em: I would never tell another woman she couldn't use hormonal birth control, but I was glad I had the option to use Fertility Awareness instead (it's not an issue now, because, well, long story).  It also makes me sad that some women are missing out on an effective and safe option because it's stigmatized as &quot;that crazy Catholic shit that doesn't even work&quot;.

For that matter, I don't understand completely why NFP/Fertility Awareness is OK by church standards but barrier and hormonal methods aren't.  But I think Catholics tend to ignore church teaching on birth control anyway, so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@Em: I would never tell another woman she couldn&#8217;t use hormonal birth control, but I was glad I had the option to use Fertility Awareness instead (it&#8217;s not an issue now, because, well, long story).  It also makes me sad that some women are missing out on an effective and safe option because it&#8217;s stigmatized as &#8220;that crazy Catholic shit that doesn&#8217;t even work&#8221;.</p>
	<p>For that matter, I don&#8217;t understand completely why NFP/Fertility Awareness is OK by church standards but barrier and hormonal methods aren&#8217;t.  But I think Catholics tend to ignore church teaching on birth control anyway, so.
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		<title>by: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463207</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>People are different.  Women are different.  I've had one woman at work  email me a joke about how long it takes to get a &quot;pussy&quot; wet, and another who proclaims she will eat anything that doesn't have hair on it,  While our receptionist goes bonkers over &quot;warm&quot;, &quot;moist&quot;, &quot;skin&quot;.  Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>People are different.  Women are different.  I&#8217;ve had one woman at work  email me a joke about how long it takes to get a &#8220;pussy&#8221; wet, and another who proclaims she will eat anything that doesn&#8217;t have hair on it,  While our receptionist goes bonkers over &#8220;warm&#8221;, &#8220;moist&#8221;, &#8220;skin&#8221;.  Go figure.
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		<title>by: Phoebe Fay</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463152</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463152</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And have you continued to use it as birth control when you don’t want to get pregnant?

I mean, I’m all on board with learning about one’s body, but given that sperm hang out in the vaginal canal for up to 72 hours waiting around for an egg to show up, I wouldn’t be comfortable having sex with my husband and then discovering the next day that I’d ovulated overnight and, geez, I hope none of those little swimmers make it up there. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I used fertility awareness in my early 30s when I decided that 10 years of hormonal birth control was enough. It can be very effective. It's about much more than counting days, and it does take into account the sperm's ability to survive for several days (given the right conditions). 

Monitoring the temperature tells you when you have ovulated. Monitoring the mucus levels and cervical position tells you when you're approaching ovulation. I don't remember all the details anymore, but it's a very powerful level of awareness.

I don't need it for birth control anymore (my guy's been snipped), but I'm thinking of charting my temperature again just to see how often I'm ovulating. Now that I'm in my early 40s, my hormones are starting to get wonky, and a possible cause of the problem is anovulatory cycles.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>And have you continued to use it as birth control when you don’t want to get pregnant?</p>
	<p>I mean, I’m all on board with learning about one’s body, but given that sperm hang out in the vaginal canal for up to 72 hours waiting around for an egg to show up, I wouldn’t be comfortable having sex with my husband and then discovering the next day that I’d ovulated overnight and, geez, I hope none of those little swimmers make it up there. </p></blockquote>
	<p>I used fertility awareness in my early 30s when I decided that 10 years of hormonal birth control was enough. It can be very effective. It&#8217;s about much more than counting days, and it does take into account the sperm&#8217;s ability to survive for several days (given the right conditions). </p>
	<p>Monitoring the temperature tells you when you have ovulated. Monitoring the mucus levels and cervical position tells you when you&#8217;re approaching ovulation. I don&#8217;t remember all the details anymore, but it&#8217;s a very powerful level of awareness.</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t need it for birth control anymore (my guy&#8217;s been snipped), but I&#8217;m thinking of charting my temperature again just to see how often I&#8217;m ovulating. Now that I&#8217;m in my early 40s, my hormones are starting to get wonky, and a possible cause of the problem is anovulatory cycles.
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		<title>by: Rumblelizard</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463103</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Glaswegian accents = teh hawtness.  Rawr.  Just Scottish accents in general.  I'm actually going to be getting married to a Scottish man soon, and I gotta tell you, his accent still sends me after all this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Glaswegian accents = teh hawtness.  Rawr.  Just Scottish accents in general.  I&#8217;m actually going to be getting married to a Scottish man soon, and I gotta tell you, his accent still sends me after all this time.
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		<title>by: holly. r.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463088</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463088</guid>
					<description>Okay, here's something to consider (I was between papers yesterday, &quot;and just couldn't muster the time away to word this situation properly):

So, a friend of mine went to buy underwear in a high-end boutique, here in town (ahem, KCMO).  Apparently to impress her new girlfriend.  Whatever.  So, friend &quot;G&quot; said, &quot;yeah, but I usually wear cotton&quot;, to whatever the artist/owner presented.  (I fucking love this store, and, yes I'm getting to the point)

To which one of the artist/designer/owners said about said fancy knickers:  &quot;Well, you know... it's all about how juicy you're feeling on a particular day...&quot;

Oh, and G does dead-impressions, so I was simultaneously squicked-out, curious, and falling off of my chair at the same time.  JUICY.  New hate for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Okay, here&#8217;s something to consider (I was between papers yesterday, &#8220;and just couldn&#8217;t muster the time away to word this situation properly):</p>
	<p>So, a friend of mine went to buy underwear in a high-end boutique, here in town (ahem, KCMO).  Apparently to impress her new girlfriend.  Whatever.  So, friend &#8220;G&#8221; said, &#8220;yeah, but I usually wear cotton&#8221;, to whatever the artist/owner presented.  (I fucking love this store, and, yes I&#8217;m getting to the point)</p>
	<p>To which one of the artist/designer/owners said about said fancy knickers:  &#8220;Well, you know&#8230; it&#8217;s all about how juicy you&#8217;re feeling on a particular day&#8230;&#8221;</p>
	<p>Oh, and G does dead-impressions, so I was simultaneously squicked-out, curious, and falling off of my chair at the same time.  JUICY.  New hate for me.
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		<title>by: Samantha Vimes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/30/moist-damp-gooey/#comment-463085</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm not keen on sounds you have to sort of swallow, like words ending in &quot;udge&quot;. I don't mind writing them or hearing them, but hate saying them. When I made up an alien language I added clicks and took out &quot;g&quot;.

I don't remember if I had this problem when I took a dislike to G, but I have a vocal chord disorder and the throat movement hurts these days. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not keen on sounds you have to sort of swallow, like words ending in &#8220;udge&#8221;. I don&#8217;t mind writing them or hearing them, but hate saying them. When I made up an alien language I added clicks and took out &#8220;g&#8221;.</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t remember if I had this problem when I took a dislike to G, but I have a vocal chord disorder and the throat movement hurts these days.
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