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		<title>by: NY Expat</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-491300</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's *very* silly for me to post comment on a thread that died almost four months ago, but my employer just redid the Employee Lounge, setting up three new LCD flatscreen TVs with PS3s, Wiis, and XBox 360 with GHIII, and I'm very, very hooked.  Remembering this thread, I came back to take a look.  I was going to just pass through, but after reading the whole thread, I'm gonna piss into the wind for a little bit:

- Being new to the franchise, I don't have anything to compare the GHIII models to (though I can't stand the Kiss guy myself - really doesn't look right when playing Holiday In Cambodia - BTW, do they edit out the N-word in that song for the game?).  However, as others have noted, any anachronistic mysogyny/catering to frat boys is ameliorated somewhat by the fact that you don't have time to look at any of it while playing; gotta outdo that Queens Of The Stone Age guy, after all.

- Great that they have a Hendrix character.  Now they can work on getting some Hendrix &lt;i&gt;songs&lt;/i&gt;.  (Unless they did for GH or GHII, in which case, withdrawn, Your Honor).

- The mention of &quot;Echoes&quot; reminded me of a good &quot;prog rock&quot; song for GH:  One Of These Days (I'm Going To...etc.)*  BTW, Amanda, though I will continue to respect your musical knowledge, watching you completely misinterpret what &quot;progressive rock&quot; meant was a &quot;feet of clay&quot; moment for me.

- Song I *really* want on GH:  Big Sky/Baddest Of The Bad by Reverend Horton Heat.  As *one* song.  Apparently, there's a HH song on GHII, but this is the one that would blow the doors off.

* I know the rest of the title, you know the rest of the title.  It just seems impolite to write it on a feminist site.  I mean, yes, it's not *explicitly* about a woman, but given that it was written by Roger Waters, would you really bet against it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s *very* silly for me to post comment on a thread that died almost four months ago, but my employer just redid the Employee Lounge, setting up three new LCD flatscreen TVs with PS3s, Wiis, and XBox 360 with GHIII, and I&#8217;m very, very hooked.  Remembering this thread, I came back to take a look.  I was going to just pass through, but after reading the whole thread, I&#8217;m gonna piss into the wind for a little bit:</p>
	<p>- Being new to the franchise, I don&#8217;t have anything to compare the GHIII models to (though I can&#8217;t stand the Kiss guy myself - really doesn&#8217;t look right when playing Holiday In Cambodia - BTW, do they edit out the N-word in that song for the game?).  However, as others have noted, any anachronistic mysogyny/catering to frat boys is ameliorated somewhat by the fact that you don&#8217;t have time to look at any of it while playing; gotta outdo that Queens Of The Stone Age guy, after all.</p>
	<p>- Great that they have a Hendrix character.  Now they can work on getting some Hendrix <i>songs</i>.  (Unless they did for GH or GHII, in which case, withdrawn, Your Honor).</p>
	<p>- The mention of &#8220;Echoes&#8221; reminded me of a good &#8220;prog rock&#8221; song for GH:  One Of These Days (I&#8217;m Going To&#8230;etc.)*  BTW, Amanda, though I will continue to respect your musical knowledge, watching you completely misinterpret what &#8220;progressive rock&#8221; meant was a &#8220;feet of clay&#8221; moment for me.</p>
	<p>- Song I *really* want on GH:  Big Sky/Baddest Of The Bad by Reverend Horton Heat.  As *one* song.  Apparently, there&#8217;s a HH song on GHII, but this is the one that would blow the doors off.</p>
	<p>* I know the rest of the title, you know the rest of the title.  It just seems impolite to write it on a feminist site.  I mean, yes, it&#8217;s not *explicitly* about a woman, but given that it was written by Roger Waters, would you really bet against it?
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		<title>by: Big Tasty</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-463235</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>One thing that's super-strange about the addition of the unnecessary sexist stuff in GHIII is the way you play the game (especially on the higher difficulty levels): you CAN'T look at the background stuff, because you'd fail your song if you did!  The digital avatars are nice and all, but the game wouldn't be ALL THAT DIFFERENT if it had NO background images at all.  So why the need to add dancing women and a leg guitar?  Not only is it offensive, but it doesn't even really tweak the demographic that its designed to tweak (irritating digital boob-obsessed guys), because they probably can't spend all that much time looking at them anyway!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One thing that&#8217;s super-strange about the addition of the unnecessary sexist stuff in GHIII is the way you play the game (especially on the higher difficulty levels): you CAN&#8217;T look at the background stuff, because you&#8217;d fail your song if you did!  The digital avatars are nice and all, but the game wouldn&#8217;t be ALL THAT DIFFERENT if it had NO background images at all.  So why the need to add dancing women and a leg guitar?  Not only is it offensive, but it doesn&#8217;t even really tweak the demographic that its designed to tweak (irritating digital boob-obsessed guys), because they probably can&#8217;t spend all that much time looking at them anyway!
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		<title>by: Fiona</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-462957</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hope I'm not missing any awesome joke here, but if the 40 million copies sold of &lt;i&gt;Dark Side of the Moon&lt;/i&gt; means that liking prog rock is statistically insignificant, I'd really love to know what significant looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hope I&#8217;m not missing any awesome joke here, but if the 40 million copies sold of <i>Dark Side of the Moon</i> means that liking prog rock is statistically insignificant, I&#8217;d really love to know what significant looks like.
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		<title>by: Zonk</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-462912</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes it is horrible that they didn't cater to your statistically insignificant whims.

I can't believe that there is no love for power ballads about pottery either. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes it is horrible that they didn&#8217;t cater to your statistically insignificant whims.</p>
	<p>I can&#8217;t believe that there is no love for power ballads about pottery either.
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		<title>by: Jovan1984</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-462895</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pretty obvious that I'm about the only one not born in the Baby Boomer generation who knows what &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/progressive_rock&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;progressive rock&lt;/a&gt; is.  I'm not talking about politics when I mention progressive rock, I'm talking about the 1970s subgenre of rock music.  Yes, they do have some pro-woman songs on there from what I've been hearing (and seeing).  But that is not what I am talking about.

How many songs from the subgenre do you see on there?  I looked at the entire list and there is only one song from the prog rock subgenre.  That song is YYZ by Rush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pretty obvious that I&#8217;m about the only one not born in the Baby Boomer generation who knows what <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/progressive_rock" rel="nofollow">progressive rock</a> is.  I&#8217;m not talking about politics when I mention progressive rock, I&#8217;m talking about the 1970s subgenre of rock music.  Yes, they do have some pro-woman songs on there from what I&#8217;ve been hearing (and seeing).  But that is not what I am talking about.</p>
	<p>How many songs from the subgenre do you see on there?  I looked at the entire list and there is only one song from the prog rock subgenre.  That song is YYZ by Rush.
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		<title>by: Dennis, Master of Unhelpful Analogies</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-462768</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I just heard yesterday a local radio station interviewing a guitaist from, I think, Queens of the Stone Age, who was complaining that he couldn’t manage to play his own song in the game.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, that's not too alarming, because he already has a very well trained-up procedure for playing that song... it's going to be really difficult to do something else with precision.  It's like typing on a dvorak keyboard when you're used to qwerty.  If you learn to type on a dvorak keyboard to begin with, it's no harder than learning to type on qwerty.  But, if you already know qwerty, typing on dvorak is going to be nearly impossible.

Of course, if other reports are right that it's harder to learn the guitar hero version than to learn the real guitar version to start with, then that's pretty messed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I just heard yesterday a local radio station interviewing a guitaist from, I think, Queens of the Stone Age, who was complaining that he couldn’t manage to play his own song in the game.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Well, that&#8217;s not too alarming, because he already has a very well trained-up procedure for playing that song&#8230; it&#8217;s going to be really difficult to do something else with precision.  It&#8217;s like typing on a dvorak keyboard when you&#8217;re used to qwerty.  If you learn to type on a dvorak keyboard to begin with, it&#8217;s no harder than learning to type on qwerty.  But, if you already know qwerty, typing on dvorak is going to be nearly impossible.</p>
	<p>Of course, if other reports are right that it&#8217;s harder to learn the guitar hero version than to learn the real guitar version to start with, then that&#8217;s pretty messed up.
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		<title>by: NBarnes, Prophet of Chai</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-462716</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;her character descriptions says something about her realizing she needed to be a bit more polished and feminine to really win them over.&lt;/i&gt;

Urge to kill... rising....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>her character descriptions says something about her realizing she needed to be a bit more polished and feminine to really win them over.</i></p>
	<p>Urge to kill&#8230; rising&#8230;.
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		<title>by: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-462704</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not too enthusiatic about any of the current Guitar Hero games, because they don’t have any progressive rock songs. &lt;/i&gt;

If you mean progressive as in politics, look again.  What has mollified my irritation at the overt and tacked on sexism is that you can see the game beneath that stuff, with the songs they picked.  You have &quot;Kool Thing&quot; by Sonic Youth, a song about the link between the struggle against racism and the struggle against sexism.  You have &quot;Holiday In Cambodia&quot;, an angry yelp against Western commodification of developing nations.  You have the anti-war song &quot;Bulls On Parade&quot;.  You have the interesting and progressive song &quot;Cult of Personality&quot;.  Interesting political music exploded post-70s, and the game song choice gets that.  All the more reason to treat the reactionary elements as tacked on.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I’m not too enthusiatic about any of the current Guitar Hero games, because they don’t have any progressive rock songs. </i></p>
	<p>If you mean progressive as in politics, look again.  What has mollified my irritation at the overt and tacked on sexism is that you can see the game beneath that stuff, with the songs they picked.  You have &#8220;Kool Thing&#8221; by Sonic Youth, a song about the link between the struggle against racism and the struggle against sexism.  You have &#8220;Holiday In Cambodia&#8221;, an angry yelp against Western commodification of developing nations.  You have the anti-war song &#8220;Bulls On Parade&#8221;.  You have the interesting and progressive song &#8220;Cult of Personality&#8221;.  Interesting political music exploded post-70s, and the game song choice gets that.  All the more reason to treat the reactionary elements as tacked on.
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		<title>by: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-462699</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Cara, I do believe we agree that the game upped the sexism.  I think Casey Lynch just hurt more on a fundamental level because her model is a fucking Hero De Ax.  NP is not the band for everyone, but god DAMN they rock.  Turning her into a preening sex object was a deep betrayal. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cara, I do believe we agree that the game upped the sexism.  I think Casey Lynch just hurt more on a fundamental level because her model is a fucking Hero De Ax.  NP is not the band for everyone, but god DAMN they rock.  Turning her into a preening sex object was a deep betrayal.
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		<title>by: Zonk</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/28/6243/#comment-462697</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Another sad example of too much sex and violins in video gaming . . .&quot;

This is the funniest thing I've read today.

Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Another sad example of too much sex and violins in video gaming . . .&#8221;</p>
	<p>This is the funniest thing I&#8217;ve read today.</p>
	<p>Well done.
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