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		<title>by: Bernie Misiura</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-460420</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:17:59 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I just read the article and I find it ironic that it has been my experience that the girls from my school ostracized the lighter colored skin girls.  


The other ironic thing is the report &quot;Pigmentation and Empire: The Emerging Skin-Whitening Industry for an eye-opening look at the extremes some  will go to in order to lighten their skin — often with disastrous results.&quot; because white people risk death by melanoma to obtain darker skin.

Furthermore being a read head and fair-skinned, I had to deal with my fair share of &quot;ginger&quot; jokes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just read the article and I find it ironic that it has been my experience that the girls from my school ostracized the lighter colored skin girls.  </p>
	<p>The other ironic thing is the report &#8220;Pigmentation and Empire: The Emerging Skin-Whitening Industry for an eye-opening look at the extremes some  will go to in order to lighten their skin — often with disastrous results.&#8221; because white people risk death by melanoma to obtain darker skin.</p>
	<p>Furthermore being a read head and fair-skinned, I had to deal with my fair share of &#8220;ginger&#8221; jokes.
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-459246</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:56:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;As a good example of this, you can look at pictures of Tyra Banks. In various images her skin tone is all over the map, from fairly dark to almost Caucasian.&lt;/i&gt;

It often has a lot to do with what or who else is in the picture.  If you have a dark-skinned and a light-skinned person standing together, you have to try and come up with a middle-range lighting that may end up pushing both of their skin tones towards an extreme (ie the dark-skinned person will look darker and the light-skinned person will look lighter).  

A huge amount of work has to go into lighting people in such a way that the camera can pick up the facial expressions that you would easily see if the person was right in front of you.  Cameras are tricksy little buggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>As a good example of this, you can look at pictures of Tyra Banks. In various images her skin tone is all over the map, from fairly dark to almost Caucasian.</i></p>
	<p>It often has a lot to do with what or who else is in the picture.  If you have a dark-skinned and a light-skinned person standing together, you have to try and come up with a middle-range lighting that may end up pushing both of their skin tones towards an extreme (ie the dark-skinned person will look darker and the light-skinned person will look lighter).  </p>
	<p>A huge amount of work has to go into lighting people in such a way that the camera can pick up the facial expressions that you would easily see if the person was right in front of you.  Cameras are tricksy little buggers.
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		<title>by: Keith</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-459220</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:53:00 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Which in turn explains why pale Europeans often want to tan. These days, pallor comes from being at a desk job for long hours; only those with leisure time can bake their skin, ergo a white person’s tan means wealth and power unless it takes the form of tan line’s where a worker’s skin is exposed, i.e. red-neck.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A similar situation for having a fit physique versus being, well, fatter.  When most of the population consists of farmers and other manual labourers, the only people who can afford sufficient food and have the leisure time not to burn it off are the upper classes.

Like tanning, this is reversed now because people doing hard physical labour in Western countries make up a much smaller percentage of the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Which in turn explains why pale Europeans often want to tan. These days, pallor comes from being at a desk job for long hours; only those with leisure time can bake their skin, ergo a white person’s tan means wealth and power unless it takes the form of tan line’s where a worker’s skin is exposed, i.e. red-neck.</p></blockquote>
	<p>A similar situation for having a fit physique versus being, well, fatter.  When most of the population consists of farmers and other manual labourers, the only people who can afford sufficient food and have the leisure time not to burn it off are the upper classes.</p>
	<p>Like tanning, this is reversed now because people doing hard physical labour in Western countries make up a much smaller percentage of the population.
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		<title>by: Keith</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-459217</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:47:41 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The lightness of darkskinned people on Magazine covers come from three sources. All somewhat the product of bias.

1) Makeup (Necessary in front of the strong photo/studio lights)
2) Studio and Film Lights. Camera’s need a lot of light.
3) Photo-editing &lt;/blockquote&gt;

As a good example of this, you can look at pictures of Tyra Banks.  In various images her skin tone is all over the map, from fairly dark to almost Caucasian.

Generally speaking, with the widespread adoption of Photoshop, magazine covers are probably the last place you want to look to see what someone actually looks like.  Aside from the Dove (I think) commercial that you can see online showing a model from arriving in studio to the finished product, which looks nothing like her, there are assorted artists websites out there showing the before and after work they've done for print magazines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>The lightness of darkskinned people on Magazine covers come from three sources. All somewhat the product of bias.</p>
	<p>1) Makeup (Necessary in front of the strong photo/studio lights)<br />
2) Studio and Film Lights. Camera’s need a lot of light.<br />
3) Photo-editing </p></blockquote>
	<p>As a good example of this, you can look at pictures of Tyra Banks.  In various images her skin tone is all over the map, from fairly dark to almost Caucasian.</p>
	<p>Generally speaking, with the widespread adoption of Photoshop, magazine covers are probably the last place you want to look to see what someone actually looks like.  Aside from the Dove (I think) commercial that you can see online showing a model from arriving in studio to the finished product, which looks nothing like her, there are assorted artists websites out there showing the before and after work they&#8217;ve done for print magazines.
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		<title>by: Samantha Vimes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-459133</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:58:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Bits of ancient history;India was invaded from the north, and the highest caste or two would be from that ethnic group. East Asia has seen several pushes from north to south through war. 

Light skin preference seems to come from a combination of middle class or better status (if you aren't working outdoors, you can be paler) and status in terms of looking more like the ruling elite. 

Which in turn explains why pale Europeans often want to tan. These days, pallor comes from being at a desk job for long hours; only those with leisure time can bake their skin, ergo a white person's tan means wealth and power unless it takes the form of tan line's where a worker's skin is exposed, i.e. red-neck. 

But it's hard to understand how a DJ could NOT foresee causing offense with a light-skinned blacks theme. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bits of ancient history;India was invaded from the north, and the highest caste or two would be from that ethnic group. East Asia has seen several pushes from north to south through war. </p>
	<p>Light skin preference seems to come from a combination of middle class or better status (if you aren&#8217;t working outdoors, you can be paler) and status in terms of looking more like the ruling elite. </p>
	<p>Which in turn explains why pale Europeans often want to tan. These days, pallor comes from being at a desk job for long hours; only those with leisure time can bake their skin, ergo a white person&#8217;s tan means wealth and power unless it takes the form of tan line&#8217;s where a worker&#8217;s skin is exposed, i.e. red-neck. </p>
	<p>But it&#8217;s hard to understand how a DJ could NOT foresee causing offense with a light-skinned blacks theme.
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		<title>by: utsusemi</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-459115</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:05:27 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Don't have time to read all the other comments, so maybe someone's got there already, but--you're absolutely right that this is a worldwide phenomenon.  I'm an absurdly pale-skinned but otherwise ordinary looking white girl who moved to a prosperous city in China about a month ago.  Random strangers tell me I'm pretty when I talk to them.  I'm here teaching English, and in the first week of school, every single class had at least a few students who came up to tell me how &quot;beautiful&quot; I am.  &quot;How do you get such nice skin?&quot; one student asked me, and I was really confused until I realized she didn't mean skin texture, but skin color.  I sometimes hear people in the street say, approvingly, &quot;She's so white!&quot; when I go by (my obvious foreignness also means they assume I don't speak the language--sadly, about half true).  

Actually, it's the one thing here that really creeps me out--the fact that just by walking around with my blond hair and white skin I'm the living embodiment of an unattainable standard.  And of course the Chinese women in print ads are all much paler than average (and there are a disproportionate amount of ads featuring white women), and a huge percentage of skin care products have whitening agents in them.  I'm actually wondering what I'll do when the face cream I brought from the States runs out--god knows I need what little melanin I have!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t have time to read all the other comments, so maybe someone&#8217;s got there already, but&#8211;you&#8217;re absolutely right that this is a worldwide phenomenon.  I&#8217;m an absurdly pale-skinned but otherwise ordinary looking white girl who moved to a prosperous city in China about a month ago.  Random strangers tell me I&#8217;m pretty when I talk to them.  I&#8217;m here teaching English, and in the first week of school, every single class had at least a few students who came up to tell me how &#8220;beautiful&#8221; I am.  &#8220;How do you get such nice skin?&#8221; one student asked me, and I was really confused until I realized she didn&#8217;t mean skin texture, but skin color.  I sometimes hear people in the street say, approvingly, &#8220;She&#8217;s so white!&#8221; when I go by (my obvious foreignness also means they assume I don&#8217;t speak the language&#8211;sadly, about half true).  </p>
	<p>Actually, it&#8217;s the one thing here that really creeps me out&#8211;the fact that just by walking around with my blond hair and white skin I&#8217;m the living embodiment of an unattainable standard.  And of course the Chinese women in print ads are all much paler than average (and there are a disproportionate amount of ads featuring white women), and a huge percentage of skin care products have whitening agents in them.  I&#8217;m actually wondering what I&#8217;ll do when the face cream I brought from the States runs out&#8211;god knows I need what little melanin I have!
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		<title>by: Liberaldirk</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-459113</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:30:22 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The lightness of darkskinned people on Magazine covers come from three sources. All somewhat the product of bias.

1) Makeup (Necessary in front of the strong photo/studio lights)  
2) Studio and Film Lights. Camera's need a lot of light.
3) Photo-editing 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The lightness of darkskinned people on Magazine covers come from three sources. All somewhat the product of bias.</p>
	<p>1) Makeup (Necessary in front of the strong photo/studio lights)<br />
2) Studio and Film Lights. Camera&#8217;s need a lot of light.<br />
3) Photo-editing
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		<title>by: Hector B.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-459103</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:38:03 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it suddently hits me that all the people pictured on the covers of the black-interest magazines (e.g., Essence, Ebony, Today’s Black Woman, etc.) are way way lighter-skinned than just about all the black people I’m seeing in my near vicinity&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Similarly, the Bollywood stars are way lighter than just about all of the Indo-Pak people I know. Where do they come from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>it suddently hits me that all the people pictured on the covers of the black-interest magazines (e.g., Essence, Ebony, Today’s Black Woman, etc.) are way way lighter-skinned than just about all the black people I’m seeing in my near vicinity</p></blockquote>
	<p>Similarly, the Bollywood stars are way lighter than just about all of the Indo-Pak people I know. Where do they come from?
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		<title>by: Darkrose, Countess of Creme Brulee</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-459093</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:47:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Lisa, your mother was an AKA? IIRC, the Delta Sigma Theta sorority was founded because the AKA's wouldn't let darker women in.  That's always boggled me, and it's sad that from what you're saying, the attitude is still there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lisa, your mother was an AKA? IIRC, the Delta Sigma Theta sorority was founded because the AKA&#8217;s wouldn&#8217;t let darker women in.  That&#8217;s always boggled me, and it&#8217;s sad that from what you&#8217;re saying, the attitude is still there.
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		<title>by: tpx</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/16/the-brown-paper-bag-test-is-alive-and-well/#comment-459090</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:26:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Good story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good story.
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