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		<title>by: Eric</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457984</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:31:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Isn't the Left more like the Persians in the movie &quot;300&quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Isn&#8217;t the Left more like the Persians in the movie &#8220;300&#8243; ?
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		<title>by: Rumblelizard</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457915</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:17:32 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;if I had been in the car with Graeme Frost on the day of his accident, where would I, a 33-year old, uninsured American who at the time was making $25k a year, be today?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Short answer: Up shit creek.  And if you asked a Republican, they'd say it was because you were too damned lazy to whittle yourself a paddle with your teeth and good old American can-do attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>if I had been in the car with Graeme Frost on the day of his accident, where would I, a 33-year old, uninsured American who at the time was making $25k a year, be today?</p></blockquote>
	<p>Short answer: Up shit creek.  And if you asked a Republican, they&#8217;d say it was because you were too damned lazy to whittle yourself a paddle with your teeth and good old American can-do attitude.
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		<title>by: jTuba</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457876</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:55 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Ahem.  If I may, while there's a national discussion about the expansion of S-CHIP, can I ask why it's limited to children in the first place?  I mean, I've been pretty fortunate in terms of injuries and serious illnesses, but if I had been in the car with Graeme Frost on the day of his accident, where would I, a 33-year old, uninsured American who at the time was making $25k a year, be today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ahem.  If I may, while there&#8217;s a national discussion about the expansion of S-CHIP, can I ask why it&#8217;s limited to children in the first place?  I mean, I&#8217;ve been pretty fortunate in terms of injuries and serious illnesses, but if I had been in the car with Graeme Frost on the day of his accident, where would I, a 33-year old, uninsured American who at the time was making $25k a year, be today?
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		<title>by: Orange</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457847</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:15:07 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/opinion/12krugman.html?ref=opinion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Krugman's Friday column&lt;/a&gt; is about the GOP attack on the Frosts.

And one can even read David Brooks' column today without muttering to oneself about his wrongness—he has noticed that the GOP candidates have nothing to offer the striving middle class, but that Hillary's got a bucket of proposals for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/opinion/12krugman.html?ref=opinion" rel="nofollow">Paul Krugman&#8217;s Friday column</a> is about the GOP attack on the Frosts.</p>
	<p>And one can even read David Brooks&#8217; column today without muttering to oneself about his wrongness—he has noticed that the GOP candidates have nothing to offer the striving middle class, but that Hillary&#8217;s got a bucket of proposals for them.
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		<title>by: clytemnestra</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457819</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:59:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Shucks, the dollar is so low now that while things are going to get more expensive, there be tourists that will be pouring in to Bush’s America™”. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pinky I heard that too .. except they are having such trouble getting in, they are going elsewhere instead.

Idiots have no idea what a weakened dollar does ESPECIALLY when everyone is starting to bank on the Euro moving off the dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Shucks, the dollar is so low now that while things are going to get more expensive, there be tourists that will be pouring in to Bush’s America™”. </p></blockquote>
	<p>Pinky I heard that too .. except they are having such trouble getting in, they are going elsewhere instead.</p>
	<p>Idiots have no idea what a weakened dollar does ESPECIALLY when everyone is starting to bank on the Euro moving off the dollar.
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		<title>by: clytemnestra</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457816</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:55:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;DADVocate:

What I don’t like is paying medical bills for people who make as much as I do, probably could make more than I do if at least one of them worked full-time but are either too lazy, have too great of a sense of entitlement, are too unmotivated, choose to be under-acheivers and don’t care enough about their own kids to plan for the inevitable medical bills that come in some fashion or another.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

gawd you guys are a trip

if a mother works you tell her she's harming her child(ren) and is not a good parent
if she stays a home she is called lazy,  an underacheiver and a bad parent
if a father works 10+ hours a day you tell him he's being a bad father by not spending time with his children and a bad parent - children need fathers afterall (wwpks)
if he works an eight hour day you call him lazy, an underacheiver and a bad parent
if he works for someone else you tell him he's less of a person because he doesn't work for himself (lazy,  an underacheiver, yada, yada. yada)
if he accepts a lower paying job but one the has some from of health care you call him lazy  lazy, an underacheiver and a bad parent and bad provider
if he works for someone else he is less of a person because he will not take a risk (lazy,  an underacheiver, yada, yada. yada)
if he takes a risk he is irresponsible
if he won't accept under employment when it is a choice between having a job and not, you call him lazy,under-acheiver and a bad parent and provider
if he takes a job when things are tough where he accepts under employment, where he does not have benefits,but is anle to provide somewhat for his family you call him  lazy,under-acheiver and a bad parent and provider


blah, blah, blah

in your world you can't win, no matter what you do
and it all comes down to &quot;I got mine, fuck everyone else.&quot;

neo-conservatism + neo-robber barrons = neo-serfdom
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>DADVocate:</p>
	<p>What I don’t like is paying medical bills for people who make as much as I do, probably could make more than I do if at least one of them worked full-time but are either too lazy, have too great of a sense of entitlement, are too unmotivated, choose to be under-acheivers and don’t care enough about their own kids to plan for the inevitable medical bills that come in some fashion or another.</p></blockquote>
	<p>gawd you guys are a trip</p>
	<p>if a mother works you tell her she&#8217;s harming her child(ren) and is not a good parent<br />
if she stays a home she is called lazy,  an underacheiver and a bad parent<br />
if a father works 10+ hours a day you tell him he&#8217;s being a bad father by not spending time with his children and a bad parent - children need fathers afterall (wwpks)<br />
if he works an eight hour day you call him lazy, an underacheiver and a bad parent<br />
if he works for someone else you tell him he&#8217;s less of a person because he doesn&#8217;t work for himself (lazy,  an underacheiver, yada, yada. yada)<br />
if he accepts a lower paying job but one the has some from of health care you call him lazy  lazy, an underacheiver and a bad parent and bad provider<br />
if he works for someone else he is less of a person because he will not take a risk (lazy,  an underacheiver, yada, yada. yada)<br />
if he takes a risk he is irresponsible<br />
if he won&#8217;t accept under employment when it is a choice between having a job and not, you call him lazy,under-acheiver and a bad parent and provider<br />
if he takes a job when things are tough where he accepts under employment, where he does not have benefits,but is anle to provide somewhat for his family you call him  lazy,under-acheiver and a bad parent and provider</p>
	<p>blah, blah, blah</p>
	<p>in your world you can&#8217;t win, no matter what you do<br />
and it all comes down to &#8220;I got mine, fuck everyone else.&#8221;</p>
	<p>neo-conservatism + neo-robber barrons = neo-serfdom
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457712</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:24:13 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I heard a real hoot: something to the effect that ‘Shucks, the dollar is so low now that while things are going to get more expensive, there be tourists that will be pouring in to Bush’s America™”.&lt;/i&gt;

I heard a Canadian author speak at my local library (Stephanie Pearl-McPhee, for you knitting geeks) and she was half-jokingly complaining about getting the full once-over from security because, as a middle-aged woman from Canada, she was clearly a dangerous terrorist who needed to be scrutinized to make sure she hadn't managed to smuggle a bomb onto the plane &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; time.

So, no, there's not going to be a huge influx of foreign tourists, because it's just too damn much trouble to get through security right now.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I heard a real hoot: something to the effect that ‘Shucks, the dollar is so low now that while things are going to get more expensive, there be tourists that will be pouring in to Bush’s America™”.</i></p>
	<p>I heard a Canadian author speak at my local library (Stephanie Pearl-McPhee, for you knitting geeks) and she was half-jokingly complaining about getting the full once-over from security because, as a middle-aged woman from Canada, she was clearly a dangerous terrorist who needed to be scrutinized to make sure she hadn&#8217;t managed to smuggle a bomb onto the plane <i>this</i> time.</p>
	<p>So, no, there&#8217;s not going to be a huge influx of foreign tourists, because it&#8217;s just too damn much trouble to get through security right now.
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		<title>by: Pinky</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457698</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:57:12 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Study: 41 Million In U.S. Can't Afford Basics

&lt;a href=&quot;http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/Advice/StudySaysWorkingPoorCannotAffordBasics.aspx?page=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Article&lt;/a&gt; that says a mouthful.

I do wonder though, how many of these people actually voted for Bush.

There is a &lt;strong&gt;MASSIVE&lt;/strong&gt; number of people that are drowning, clinging on the belly of the beast that Bush and his minions have turned the US into, and drowning in the debt that they and Bush have racked up.

I heard a real hoot: something to the effect that 'Shucks, the dollar is so low now that while things are going to get more expensive, there be tourists that will be pouring in to Bush's America&amp;trade;&quot;. Yah, just jumping to snap up those deals at the local Wal-Mart and buying the crap some of their countries export to Bush's America&amp;trade; and are marked up due to the incredibly shrinking dollar... Well, after many travel companies have rearranged their flights so they don't pass through Bush's Gulag. I doubt there be many tourists willing to dodge bullets and have theur underwear drawers tossed and phone calls freely recorded.

Heck-of-a-job there, Bushie boy. Bin Laden really couldn't have done it better... Congrats... Your parents must be so proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Study: 41 Million In U.S. Can&#8217;t Afford Basics</p>
	<p><a href="http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/Advice/StudySaysWorkingPoorCannotAffordBasics.aspx?page=all" rel="nofollow">Article</a> that says a mouthful.</p>
	<p>I do wonder though, how many of these people actually voted for Bush.</p>
	<p>There is a <strong>MASSIVE</strong> number of people that are drowning, clinging on the belly of the beast that Bush and his minions have turned the US into, and drowning in the debt that they and Bush have racked up.</p>
	<p>I heard a real hoot: something to the effect that &#8216;Shucks, the dollar is so low now that while things are going to get more expensive, there be tourists that will be pouring in to Bush&#8217;s America&trade;&#8221;. Yah, just jumping to snap up those deals at the local Wal-Mart and buying the crap some of their countries export to Bush&#8217;s America&trade; and are marked up due to the incredibly shrinking dollar&#8230; Well, after many travel companies have rearranged their flights so they don&#8217;t pass through Bush&#8217;s Gulag. I doubt there be many tourists willing to dodge bullets and have theur underwear drawers tossed and phone calls freely recorded.</p>
	<p>Heck-of-a-job there, Bushie boy. Bin Laden really couldn&#8217;t have done it better&#8230; Congrats&#8230; Your parents must be so proud.
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		<title>by: SmallTownPsychosis</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457692</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:12:24 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;What I don’t like is paying medical bills for people who make as much as I do, probably could make more than I do if at least one of them worked full-time but are either too lazy, have too great of a sense of entitlement, are too unmotivated, choose to be under-acheivers and don’t care enough about their own kids to plan for the inevitable medical bills that come in some fashion or another.&lt;/i&gt;

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Who do you think pays for the majority of graduate medical training and bench research in this country?

Do you think you'd have decent health care to buy if it weren't for taxpayer-funded investments in the education and sciences in this country? 

What I don't like is putting in the investment all these decades only to have ignorant young libertarians start claiming all the returns on those investments as their own.

Go to a deserted island.  Start from scratch.  Eat tree bark and make noise at the moon when you fall ill.  Or clam it and enjoy your illusion of &quot;self suffciency.&quot;  You're as far into the public trough as the next guy; you just haven't figured it out yet, or you have and think whistling Dixie out your ass will provide enough of a distraction that others won't take notice.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What I don’t like is paying medical bills for people who make as much as I do, probably could make more than I do if at least one of them worked full-time but are either too lazy, have too great of a sense of entitlement, are too unmotivated, choose to be under-acheivers and don’t care enough about their own kids to plan for the inevitable medical bills that come in some fashion or another.</i></p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p>Who do you think pays for the majority of graduate medical training and bench research in this country?</p>
	<p>Do you think you&#8217;d have decent health care to buy if it weren&#8217;t for taxpayer-funded investments in the education and sciences in this country? </p>
	<p>What I don&#8217;t like is putting in the investment all these decades only to have ignorant young libertarians start claiming all the returns on those investments as their own.</p>
	<p>Go to a deserted island.  Start from scratch.  Eat tree bark and make noise at the moon when you fall ill.  Or clam it and enjoy your illusion of &#8220;self suffciency.&#8221;  You&#8217;re as far into the public trough as the next guy; you just haven&#8217;t figured it out yet, or you have and think whistling Dixie out your ass will provide enough of a distraction that others won&#8217;t take notice.
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		<title>by: paul</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/6162/#comment-457686</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:51:31 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Just to clarify: 

1) 3x the poverty line may not be dirt poor, but it certainly ain't rich. And anyone who can't afford health insurance for their family is on the edge of poverty in my book.

2) If I were king, no one would have to go run through a bunch of hoops and sign piles of paperwork to get health care for their kids. It should be available to everybody. Heck, it should even be available to the rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just to clarify: </p>
	<p>1) 3x the poverty line may not be dirt poor, but it certainly ain&#8217;t rich. And anyone who can&#8217;t afford health insurance for their family is on the edge of poverty in my book.</p>
	<p>2) If I were king, no one would have to go run through a bunch of hoops and sign piles of paperwork to get health care for their kids. It should be available to everybody. Heck, it should even be available to the rich.
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