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		<title>by: ace</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/08/there-will-be-punishment-for-blowing-the-lid-off-the-bullshit/#comment-457055</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:34:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;If Malkin hates the US so much, why doesn’t she just go back to the Phillipines and see exactly where her gender and education level and gender and lack of skills and gender would take her?&quot;

Don't forget she's simultaneously proud of graduating from Oberlin College and hates &quot;academic liberalism&quot; (which abounds more at Oberlin than basically anywhere.)

Them durned librul professors are a bad thing unless they awared YOU a sheepskin.

The Frost incident doesn't surprise me about Malkin at all, not to mention it was closely flanked with her quoting Edwards out of context about his interest in keeping blacks out of prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;If Malkin hates the US so much, why doesn’t she just go back to the Phillipines and see exactly where her gender and education level and gender and lack of skills and gender would take her?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Don&#8217;t forget she&#8217;s simultaneously proud of graduating from Oberlin College and hates &#8220;academic liberalism&#8221; (which abounds more at Oberlin than basically anywhere.)</p>
	<p>Them durned librul professors are a bad thing unless they awared YOU a sheepskin.</p>
	<p>The Frost incident doesn&#8217;t surprise me about Malkin at all, not to mention it was closely flanked with her quoting Edwards out of context about his interest in keeping blacks out of prison.
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		<title>by: shah8</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:30:40 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;b&gt;DCC&lt;/b&gt;, I did do the (simplified) math in an earlier thread when the topic was more relevant.  Just do a search on population pressures, zero population growth, or something like that.  I do not remember the name of the thread anymores.  I want avoid doing any more of a threadjack than I already have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>DCC</b>, I did do the (simplified) math in an earlier thread when the topic was more relevant.  Just do a search on population pressures, zero population growth, or something like that.  I do not remember the name of the thread anymores.  I want avoid doing any more of a threadjack than I already have.
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		<title>by: Mezosub</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:38:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I just learned a wonderful new euphemism from the RH Reality Check thread: “Sidewalk Counseling”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's interesting.  In California, it's unlawful to practice counseling or psychotherapy without a license from the Board of Behavioral Sciences, punishable by a criminal misdemeanor and a civil injunction.

Maybe that'd be a way to get protestors removed, seeing as how they're endangering the public health by practicing a profession without a license...sorta like impersonating a police officer.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p> I just learned a wonderful new euphemism from the RH Reality Check thread: “Sidewalk Counseling”.</p></blockquote>
	<p>That&#8217;s interesting.  In California, it&#8217;s unlawful to practice counseling or psychotherapy without a license from the Board of Behavioral Sciences, punishable by a criminal misdemeanor and a civil injunction.</p>
	<p>Maybe that&#8217;d be a way to get protestors removed, seeing as how they&#8217;re endangering the public health by practicing a profession without a license&#8230;sorta like impersonating a police officer.
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		<title>by: Medium Dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:22:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I just learned a wonderful new euphemism from the RH Reality Check thread: &quot;Sidewalk Counseling&quot;. It sounds so much better than &quot;harassing women outside Planned Parenthood clinics,&quot; doesn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just learned a wonderful new euphemism from the RH Reality Check thread: &#8220;Sidewalk Counseling&#8221;. It sounds so much better than &#8220;harassing women outside Planned Parenthood clinics,&#8221; doesn&#8217;t it?
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		<title>by: DCC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:02:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Seems like Malkin and her ilk live in a stalk-or-be-stalked world. Isn't this the person who supposedly up and moved her family after finding her residential address on the web? I mean literally moved them to another community.

The supposed threats she received may well have warranted drastic action; I'm don't recall reading any examples. But it's a clue to the siege mentality these people live in apparently all day, every day, not only that she was frightened enough to uproot the family but also that she would intentionally inflict the same sense of vulnerability and vicitimization on ANOTHER family on account of their politics. That's literally subhuman behavior.

Shah8 (comment 51): If you're going to admonish people to &quot;do the math,&quot; then you need to throw down with the data you expect them to use or at least cite a source. It's lame misdirecton to imply that Kerlyssa lacks math skills when you're the one claiming superior knowledge of a subject without supplying any facts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seems like Malkin and her ilk live in a stalk-or-be-stalked world. Isn&#8217;t this the person who supposedly up and moved her family after finding her residential address on the web? I mean literally moved them to another community.</p>
	<p>The supposed threats she received may well have warranted drastic action; I&#8217;m don&#8217;t recall reading any examples. But it&#8217;s a clue to the siege mentality these people live in apparently all day, every day, not only that she was frightened enough to uproot the family but also that she would intentionally inflict the same sense of vulnerability and vicitimization on ANOTHER family on account of their politics. That&#8217;s literally subhuman behavior.</p>
	<p>Shah8 (comment 51): If you&#8217;re going to admonish people to &#8220;do the math,&#8221; then you need to throw down with the data you expect them to use or at least cite a source. It&#8217;s lame misdirecton to imply that Kerlyssa lacks math skills when you&#8217;re the one claiming superior knowledge of a subject without supplying any facts.
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:57:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Mezosub, I was just thinking about the creepy Malkin-stalking thing in the original post.

If people are harassing people, I agree - RICO them.  But don't follow them home, ridicule their kids, and send threatening messages/calls...

It's the difference between standing up for what's right and being a flying monkey... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mezosub, I was just thinking about the creepy Malkin-stalking thing in the original post.</p>
	<p>If people are harassing people, I agree - RICO them.  But don&#8217;t follow them home, ridicule their kids, and send threatening messages/calls&#8230;</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s the difference between standing up for what&#8217;s right and being a flying monkey&#8230;
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		<title>by: Mezosub</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:52:11 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, I don't know, MikeEss.  I think taking pictures of Christofacists and posting them to internet sites with their home addresses and captions like, &quot;Terrorist&quot; is appropriate, especially when they try to block access to abortion providers and the like.

I think they should be prosecuted under RICO, too, but that's just me.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t know, MikeEss.  I think taking pictures of Christofacists and posting them to internet sites with their home addresses and captions like, &#8220;Terrorist&#8221; is appropriate, especially when they try to block access to abortion providers and the like.</p>
	<p>I think they should be prosecuted under RICO, too, but that&#8217;s just me.
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:26:45 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Jovan1984, as satisfying as it might be (temporarily), sinking to the level of using their evil tactics against them loses us any moral high ground we might have.

We must cleverer than they are, not just copy what they do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jovan1984, as satisfying as it might be (temporarily), sinking to the level of using their evil tactics against them loses us any moral high ground we might have.</p>
	<p>We must cleverer than they are, not just copy what they do&#8230;
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		<title>by: Jovan1984</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:19:24 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Someone needs to start stalking and harassing these far right Christofascists, take pics of all of the misogynists and threaten them.</description>
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		<title>by: shah8</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:58:27 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This isn't really a relevant thread anyways.  Sometimes, on certain issues I really feel as if I have to contradict a commenter on something on a tangent issue.  Thus I *really* don't want to comment further.

That said, take out said graph calc or paper, and do some math.  You'll find out that absent extreme (and immoral) measures, preventing new births is a *very* slow way to fix things.  I'd rather increase women's educations and control of reproduction.  If that winds up reducing population, then woopee (and we do it the best way possible, too!).  On the other hand, it could increase population growth.  I'd prefer to be happy about increased momentary (or more) general freedom than worry about the increased population that results.

&lt;b&gt;Kerlyssa&lt;/b&gt;, one thing about knowing something about demographic change and their economic and social consequences is that you know just how devastating demographic bulges and especially sags can be.  A plague that takes from every demographic cohort will leave big pieces with which to rebuild and rebuilding happens faster.  Demographic crisis lasts far longer, and are ultimately far more grindingly destructive.  Which is why inducing one by trying to jigger the birth rate lower is an appalling concept for me.  We would do better to have a Logan's Run dystopia than attempt that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This isn&#8217;t really a relevant thread anyways.  Sometimes, on certain issues I really feel as if I have to contradict a commenter on something on a tangent issue.  Thus I *really* don&#8217;t want to comment further.</p>
	<p>That said, take out said graph calc or paper, and do some math.  You&#8217;ll find out that absent extreme (and immoral) measures, preventing new births is a *very* slow way to fix things.  I&#8217;d rather increase women&#8217;s educations and control of reproduction.  If that winds up reducing population, then woopee (and we do it the best way possible, too!).  On the other hand, it could increase population growth.  I&#8217;d prefer to be happy about increased momentary (or more) general freedom than worry about the increased population that results.</p>
	<p><b>Kerlyssa</b>, one thing about knowing something about demographic change and their economic and social consequences is that you know just how devastating demographic bulges and especially sags can be.  A plague that takes from every demographic cohort will leave big pieces with which to rebuild and rebuilding happens faster.  Demographic crisis lasts far longer, and are ultimately far more grindingly destructive.  Which is why inducing one by trying to jigger the birth rate lower is an appalling concept for me.  We would do better to have a Logan&#8217;s Run dystopia than attempt that.
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