Comments on: The subtext is quickly becoming the text http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:45:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: moss.gatlin http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456742 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:04:04 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456742 felagund that sounds suspiciously similar to the college i went to... felagund that sounds suspiciously similar to the college i went to…

]]> by: Mike http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456385 Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:46:24 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456385 <i>I don’t want to give attention whore Ann Coulter any more attention than necessary,</i> Not even a full sentence in, and you've already failed. I don’t want to give attention whore Ann Coulter any more attention than necessary,

Not even a full sentence in, and you’ve already failed.

]]> by: ace http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456234 Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:31:50 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456234 Roula--Don't forget that savageweiner has indirectly called her a "burnt-out liberal hack woman" and "human wreckage in high heels," since that's his terminology for unmarried women in their 40s in general. Of course Coulter WANTS to be in an environment where such thinking is commonplace, as expressed in her "common interest with Jerry Falwell" to go back to the 50s. Coulter wouldn't be so bad if the right didn't constantly praise her for being "reasonable" and "well-thought out"...the Overton window at work. Not to mention the justifications of how she "didn't really call Edwards gay/wanted Stevens poisoned/Murtha fragged/etc." Roula–Don’t forget that savageweiner has indirectly called her a “burnt-out liberal hack woman” and “human wreckage in high heels,” since that’s his terminology for unmarried women in their 40s in general.

Of course Coulter WANTS to be in an environment where such thinking is commonplace, as expressed in her “common interest with Jerry Falwell” to go back to the 50s.

Coulter wouldn’t be so bad if the right didn’t constantly praise her for being “reasonable” and “well-thought out”…the Overton window at work. Not to mention the justifications of how she “didn’t really call Edwards gay/wanted Stevens poisoned/Murtha fragged/etc.”

]]> by: grendelkhan http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456183 Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:00:11 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456183 This is all faintly redolent of Vox Day's periodic rant about how women can't be trusted with the vote. I wonder if she's going to start explaining how <a href="http://voxday.blogspot.com/2007/07/idiot-atheists.html" rel="nofollow">True Christians believe in Thor</a> next. <blockquote>Men saw how the benefits of women’s rights outweighed the drawbacks to them, and I think it helped soften a lot of them up to look fondly upon the whole of feminism.</blockquote> That's a pretty optimistic way of looking at it; wouldn't it be more likely for men to swallow and accept that women can (for example) easily access birth control, pretend that it's always been the obviously correct way for things to be, declare feminism Officially Over, and steadfastly refuse to see any connection between feminism and the benefits they've been enjoying? <blockquote><b>Thlayli</b>: If we took away men’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Republican president.</blockquote> I have honestly never been quite so tempted to campaign against my own franchise. Darn you. This is all faintly redolent of Vox Day’s periodic rant about how women can’t be trusted with the vote. I wonder if she’s going to start explaining how True Christians believe in Thor next.

Men saw how the benefits of women’s rights outweighed the drawbacks to them, and I think it helped soften a lot of them up to look fondly upon the whole of feminism.

That’s a pretty optimistic way of looking at it; wouldn’t it be more likely for men to swallow and accept that women can (for example) easily access birth control, pretend that it’s always been the obviously correct way for things to be, declare feminism Officially Over, and steadfastly refuse to see any connection between feminism and the benefits they’ve been enjoying?

Thlayli: If we took away men’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Republican president.

I have honestly never been quite so tempted to campaign against my own franchise. Darn you.

]]> by: libhomo http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456179 Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:20:43 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456179 The only irony about Coulter's looks is that she appears to be transgender. (I have no idea if she actually is, and it really isn't important.) She is often referred to as a sex symbol by homophobic rightists. Interestingly enough, men who are attracted to mtf trans people usually are bisexual. If a "hetero" guy is into Ann Coulter based on her looks, it suggests that he may have some unacknowledged bisexuality. It all ads fodder to those who claim that heterosexism often is based on gender and sexual orientation insecurities. Coulter herself likes to call men "fags" and such, which suggests that she is insecure about the way she is perceived by the world. Of course, some heterosexism is based on people who want to get self-righteous over a "sin" which they have no interest in enjoying. The whole thing shows why people should just get over their sexual and gender prejudices. The only irony about Coulter’s looks is that she appears to be transgender. (I have no idea if she actually is, and it really isn’t important.) She is often referred to as a sex symbol by homophobic rightists.

Interestingly enough, men who are attracted to mtf trans people usually are bisexual. If a “hetero” guy is into Ann Coulter based on her looks, it suggests that he may have some unacknowledged bisexuality. It all ads fodder to those who claim that heterosexism often is based on gender and sexual orientation insecurities.

Coulter herself likes to call men “fags” and such, which suggests that she is insecure about the way she is perceived by the world.

Of course, some heterosexism is based on people who want to get self-righteous over a “sin” which they have no interest in enjoying.

The whole thing shows why people should just get over their sexual and gender prejudices.

]]> by: mythago http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456087 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:20:47 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456087 <i>Could we please not make it all about her looks?</i> Coulter makes her looks one of her selling points. It's one thing to attack the appearance of a conservative moron like, oh, Kathleen Parker, who doesn't play the look-at-my-tits routine. But it strikes me as odd to say it's antifeminist to respond to "I'm smart because you all want me!" with "Um, not so much." (Tranny jokes are a whole nuther issue, though.) She's not Serena Joy, either. Serena Joy managed to get herself a husband. Could we please not make it all about her looks?

Coulter makes her looks one of her selling points. It’s one thing to attack the appearance of a conservative moron like, oh, Kathleen Parker, who doesn’t play the look-at-my-tits routine. But it strikes me as odd to say it’s antifeminist to respond to “I’m smart because you all want me!” with “Um, not so much.”

(Tranny jokes are a whole nuther issue, though.)

She’s not Serena Joy, either. Serena Joy managed to get herself a husband.

]]> by: Mezosub http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456064 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:24:52 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456064 The only issue with Coulter's appearance that needs attention is the fact that she's obviously been doing cocaine for a very long time. Aside from that, the problem I have with Coulter is the problem I have with most conservatives: she was born on third base and thought she hit a triple. Admittedly, she's very bright and accomplished, but not compared to other people of her background. She graduated cum laude from Cornell and went to University of Michigan Law School, but so what? So did a whole lot of other upper-middle class white kids from Connecticut. I'm not saying she's stupid, but I am saying that it's much easier to be smart and educated when you come from a privileged background. Her accomplishments are mediocre and completely average for someone of her pedigree. As Thomas TSID so aptly pointed out, Coulter is physically and intellectually lazy. What makes her so repellent is that she's also quick to point the finger at working-class people (in the Marxist sense; people who work for a living, unlike Coulter, who inherited everything she has) and call them "undeserving." That's basically her whole problem with so called women's policy issues; they provide some compensation for structural social inequalities and allow members of oppressed groups opportunities to compete economically with people from more advantaged backgrounds. Coulter is all about eliminating her competition, because she knows deep in her heart of hearts that she's about as spoiled and undeserving as they come. The only issue with Coulter’s appearance that needs attention is the fact that she’s obviously been doing cocaine for a very long time.

Aside from that, the problem I have with Coulter is the problem I have with most conservatives: she was born on third base and thought she hit a triple.

Admittedly, she’s very bright and accomplished, but not compared to other people of her background. She graduated cum laude from Cornell and went to University of Michigan Law School, but so what? So did a whole lot of other upper-middle class white kids from Connecticut.

I’m not saying she’s stupid, but I am saying that it’s much easier to be smart and educated when you come from a privileged background. Her accomplishments are mediocre and completely average for someone of her pedigree. As Thomas TSID so aptly pointed out, Coulter is physically and intellectually lazy.

What makes her so repellent is that she’s also quick to point the finger at working-class people (in the Marxist sense; people who work for a living, unlike Coulter, who inherited everything she has) and call them “undeserving.” That’s basically her whole problem with so called women’s policy issues; they provide some compensation for structural social inequalities and allow members of oppressed groups opportunities to compete economically with people from more advantaged backgrounds.

Coulter is all about eliminating her competition, because she knows deep in her heart of hearts that she’s about as spoiled and undeserving as they come.

]]> by: Thlayli http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456062 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:05:11 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456062 <blockquote> If we took away men’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Republican president. It’s kind of a pipe dream, it’s a personal fantasy of mine, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that men are voting so stupidly, .... It also makes the point, it is kind of embarrassing, the Republican Party ought to be hanging its head in shame, that it has so much difficulty getting women to vote for it.</blockquote> Back to you, Ann....

If we took away men’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Republican president. It’s kind of a pipe dream, it’s a personal fantasy of mine, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that men are voting so stupidly, ….

It also makes the point, it is kind of embarrassing, the Republican Party ought to be hanging its head in shame, that it has so much difficulty getting women to vote for it.

Back to you, Ann….

]]> by: MikeEss http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456060 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:48:45 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456060 Coulter is an honorary man already (much like Malkin is an honorary white person). As long as she gets the benefits of that status (and more) with none of the drawbacks of actually BEING a woman, why rock the boat? I hate Coulter for her evil insides, not her outsides. The biggest problem is that SHE knows her act is just shtick, I'm sure her publishers and most of the people booking her know it's shtick, but there seems to be a slimy layer of real wingnuts who buy it hook, line, and sinker. (The same is true for Limbaugh...) But I do have to ask myself an interesting question: If I were offered that kind of money to sell out all my principles, would I cling to my principles or take the cash? I'd like to think I could resist and remain true, but...? Coulter is an honorary man already (much like Malkin is an honorary white person).

As long as she gets the benefits of that status (and more) with none of the drawbacks of actually BEING a woman, why rock the boat?

I hate Coulter for her evil insides, not her outsides.

The biggest problem is that SHE knows her act is just shtick, I’m sure her publishers and most of the people booking her know it’s shtick, but there seems to be a slimy layer of real wingnuts who buy it hook, line, and sinker.

(The same is true for Limbaugh…)

But I do have to ask myself an interesting question: If I were offered that kind of money to sell out all my principles, would I cling to my principles or take the cash? I’d like to think I could resist and remain true, but…?

]]> by: Ms Kate, Mother of All Apple Pies http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456059 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:45:34 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/04/if-women-get-to-be-people-that-doubles-the-power-of-the-people/#comment-456059 On the other hand, I think her looks are fair game insofar as they are a projection of her pathetic attempts to capitulate with a system where NO woman can EVER win, not even her. On the other hand, I think her looks are fair game insofar as they are a projection of her pathetic attempts to capitulate with a system where NO woman can EVER win, not even her.

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