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		<title>by: Lisa KS</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-454036</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:42:51 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Heh.  I have had the fun experience of being both a normal person, who pays normal taxes, and being a person who pays &quot;lots more in taxes&quot; (and the reason for that being the Republican I was married to).  THEORETICALLY (and I must emphasize that) and SUPPOSEDLY folks in those income tax brackets are paying more taxes.  Trust me.  They don't.  They pay about the same amount of taxes, dollar for dollar, that I paid when I was in that Kerry-votin' tax bracket, and that same amount causes them a hell of a lot less pain proportionately.  Reality check.  Hello.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Heh.  I have had the fun experience of being both a normal person, who pays normal taxes, and being a person who pays &#8220;lots more in taxes&#8221; (and the reason for that being the Republican I was married to).  THEORETICALLY (and I must emphasize that) and SUPPOSEDLY folks in those income tax brackets are paying more taxes.  Trust me.  They don&#8217;t.  They pay about the same amount of taxes, dollar for dollar, that I paid when I was in that Kerry-votin&#8217; tax bracket, and that same amount causes them a hell of a lot less pain proportionately.  Reality check.  Hello.
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		<title>by: Samantha Vimes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-454008</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:26:57 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I suspect Dana would be happier if we returned to the days where there were minimum property requirements for voting. It's good if billionaires want government to give them more profits! Bad if poor people want medicine! Welfare for corporations &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I suspect Dana would be happier if we returned to the days where there were minimum property requirements for voting. It&#8217;s good if billionaires want government to give them more profits! Bad if poor people want medicine! Welfare for corporations <b>only</b>!
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		<title>by: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-453992</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:40:21 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s quite simple: the more you make, the more you pay in taxes, and the more you paid in taxes, the more probable it is that you voted Republican.&lt;/i&gt;

Pardon me, Dana, but quoting &lt;b&gt;income ranges&lt;/b&gt; does not show much about the &lt;b&gt;taxes paid&lt;/b&gt;.

More importantly, it does not say anything at all about net transfers of money.  I realise wingnuts are fixated on black single mums whenever the term &quot;welfare&quot; is mentioned, but government contractors are also welfare queens. Defense contractors suck off the government teat.  Haliburton is a welfare queen.  And agricultural subsidies cost more than social security.

The simple fact is that the Red States tend to get more government funding than they contribute in taxes.  If the US split, the Red and Blue States ceding from each other, the Blue States would be &lt;b&gt;wealthier&lt;/b&gt; and the Red States &lt;b&gt;poorer&lt;/b&gt;.

The current political economy depends on liberals subsidising conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It’s quite simple: the more you make, the more you pay in taxes, and the more you paid in taxes, the more probable it is that you voted Republican.</i></p>
	<p>Pardon me, Dana, but quoting <b>income ranges</b> does not show much about the <b>taxes paid</b>.</p>
	<p>More importantly, it does not say anything at all about net transfers of money.  I realise wingnuts are fixated on black single mums whenever the term &#8220;welfare&#8221; is mentioned, but government contractors are also welfare queens. Defense contractors suck off the government teat.  Haliburton is a welfare queen.  And agricultural subsidies cost more than social security.</p>
	<p>The simple fact is that the Red States tend to get more government funding than they contribute in taxes.  If the US split, the Red and Blue States ceding from each other, the Blue States would be <b>wealthier</b> and the Red States <b>poorer</b>.</p>
	<p>The current political economy depends on liberals subsidising conservatives.
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		<title>by: Carrot</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-453989</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:34:54 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>There’d be no Army, but the Navy is under a distinct clause of the Constitution, which does not have the two-year provision. The Marine Corps possibly falls under the Navy clause, in spite of having separate uniforms, ranks, and insignia. The Air Force might fall under the Army clause.

Thanks. I knew the other mostly offhand, but my knowledge of the constitution isn't as comprehensive as I'd like it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There’d be no Army, but the Navy is under a distinct clause of the Constitution, which does not have the two-year provision. The Marine Corps possibly falls under the Navy clause, in spite of having separate uniforms, ranks, and insignia. The Air Force might fall under the Army clause.</p>
	<p>Thanks. I knew the other mostly offhand, but my knowledge of the constitution isn&#8217;t as comprehensive as I&#8217;d like it to be.
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		<title>by: deep6</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-453986</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:01:33 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Unpregnant.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;  The latest euphemism for forced birth!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, so magic sperm in special egg implanted on wall of superuterus which grows into fetus which is then....

1) beamed out of the uterus using the anti-Heisenberg principle Star Trek contraption?

2) willed out of the woman's body by Khalil Gibran.  Or Tony Perkins.

3) suddenly removed from the uterus without explanation and found in the arms of David Copperfield, or David Blaine.  (Whoever's available.)

4) delivered in a painless, instantaneous birth with no risk to the mother's life by the great Dr. Cliff Huxtable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
	<p><i><b>Unpregnant.</b></i>  The latest euphemism for forced birth!!!!!!!!!!</p>
	<p>Okay, so magic sperm in special egg implanted on wall of superuterus which grows into fetus which is then&#8230;.</p>
	<p>1) beamed out of the uterus using the anti-Heisenberg principle Star Trek contraption?</p>
	<p>2) willed out of the woman&#8217;s body by Khalil Gibran.  Or Tony Perkins.</p>
	<p>3) suddenly removed from the uterus without explanation and found in the arms of David Copperfield, or David Blaine.  (Whoever&#8217;s available.)</p>
	<p>4) delivered in a painless, instantaneous birth with no risk to the mother&#8217;s life by the great Dr. Cliff Huxtable.
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		<title>by: Elisabeth</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-453984</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:56:00 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Odd, but I missed that part where the uterus is removed in the normal course of pregnancy.&quot;

Well, your liver does grow back, and the risk of death in live liver donation for the donor is relatively small.  So, you can save someone's life by donating half of your liver, and after a short period of discomfort, you have a normal liver again.  If uterus donation should be mandatory, so should live liver donation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Odd, but I missed that part where the uterus is removed in the normal course of pregnancy.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Well, your liver does grow back, and the risk of death in live liver donation for the donor is relatively small.  So, you can save someone&#8217;s life by donating half of your liver, and after a short period of discomfort, you have a normal liver again.  If uterus donation should be mandatory, so should live liver donation.
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		<title>by: deep6</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-453982</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:52:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The magic pregnancy!  Thank you, Dana.  Yes, babies grow just like beanstalks in fairy tales.  Semen goes in woman, then we have baby, just like magic beans go in ground, then we have beanstalk to castle.  It would be just silly to think that a successful pregnancy is something women have to WORK at.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The magic pregnancy!  Thank you, Dana.  Yes, babies grow just like beanstalks in fairy tales.  Semen goes in woman, then we have baby, just like magic beans go in ground, then we have beanstalk to castle.  It would be just silly to think that a successful pregnancy is something women have to WORK at.
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		<title>by: Jesurgislac</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-453980</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:39:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Not the point, Dana. (Though, nice try.) You're still attempting to ring-fence off the uterus as a &lt;i&gt;special&lt;/i&gt; organ. 

Dana, if you still have both kidneys, all of your liver, and are not a regular one-pint-a-month blood donor, &lt;i&gt;you are a murderer&lt;/i&gt;. By your own sweet moral definition of murder: you have not surrendered your organs to keep someone else alive, so you have committed murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not the point, Dana. (Though, nice try.) You&#8217;re still attempting to ring-fence off the uterus as a <i>special</i> organ. </p>
	<p>Dana, if you still have both kidneys, all of your liver, and are not a regular one-pint-a-month blood donor, <i>you are a murderer</i>. By your own sweet moral definition of murder: you have not surrendered your organs to keep someone else alive, so you have committed murder.
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		<title>by: Dana</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-453964</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:48:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>J wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Still got both kidneys, Dana? Then you, by your own standards, are the murderer of the person who died today from acute renal failure because you did not donate one of your kidneys. In fact, you’re a murderer every day of your life until you give up one of your kidneys, and half your liver, and all the other organs of your body that you can spare. Because if you claim that abortion is murder, then it’s murder when you refuse the use of any organ to save a person’s life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Odd, but I missed that part where the uterus is removed in the normal course of pregnancy.

Assuming a woman does nothing to interrupt the course of pregnancy, in nine months she will become unpregnant, very naturally, and still have her uterus.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>J wrote:</p>
	<blockquote><p>Still got both kidneys, Dana? Then you, by your own standards, are the murderer of the person who died today from acute renal failure because you did not donate one of your kidneys. In fact, you’re a murderer every day of your life until you give up one of your kidneys, and half your liver, and all the other organs of your body that you can spare. Because if you claim that abortion is murder, then it’s murder when you refuse the use of any organ to save a person’s life.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Odd, but I missed that part where the uterus is removed in the normal course of pregnancy.</p>
	<p>Assuming a woman does nothing to interrupt the course of pregnancy, in nine months she will become unpregnant, very naturally, and still have her uterus.
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		<title>by: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/27/6095/#comment-453963</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:26:16 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Dana:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Several people questioned my statistics&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's not your statistics we're questioning, Dana, it's your ability to interpret them in a way that isn't belligerently anti-reality. I realize, of course, that A) you're not personally thoughtful enough or well-versed enough in statistical analysis to realize that there are levels of interpretation beyond the purely superficial one that you keep flogging, and that B) you're ideologically forbidden from asking &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; it might be the case that rich people tend to vote Republican and poor people don't.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Obviously you’ve missed the one about not committing murder, which is what abortion is. ... Abortion kills someone in every instance that it is used!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obviously you missed the part about repeating the same old lies, which is what the &quot;abortion is murder&quot; claim is.

MikeEss:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And I suppose somehow, killing thousands of people in a preemptive war against a country containing oil, which we want, but which otherwise forms no credible threat to us is just fine and dandy and certainly NOT murder in your eyes, eh Dana?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course not. Brown people don't count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dana:</p>
	<blockquote><p>Several people questioned my statistics</p></blockquote>
	<p>It&#8217;s not your statistics we&#8217;re questioning, Dana, it&#8217;s your ability to interpret them in a way that isn&#8217;t belligerently anti-reality. I realize, of course, that A) you&#8217;re not personally thoughtful enough or well-versed enough in statistical analysis to realize that there are levels of interpretation beyond the purely superficial one that you keep flogging, and that B) you&#8217;re ideologically forbidden from asking <i>why</i> it might be the case that rich people tend to vote Republican and poor people don&#8217;t.</p>
	<blockquote><p>Obviously you’ve missed the one about not committing murder, which is what abortion is. &#8230; Abortion kills someone in every instance that it is used!</p></blockquote>
	<p>Obviously you missed the part about repeating the same old lies, which is what the &#8220;abortion is murder&#8221; claim is.</p>
	<p>MikeEss:</p>
	<blockquote><p>And I suppose somehow, killing thousands of people in a preemptive war against a country containing oil, which we want, but which otherwise forms no credible threat to us is just fine and dandy and certainly NOT murder in your eyes, eh Dana?</p></blockquote>
	<p>Of course not. Brown people don&#8217;t count.
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