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		<title>by: Elaine Vigneault</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-455540</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:40:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Amanda said:&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe it was my joking dig at Playboy that made Elaine single me out as a particularly odious member of the secret anti-masturbation conspiracy?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. The reason I brought masturbation up in this thread is that masturbation promotion does a few things well:
1. It shows how fundamentally anti-sex the right wing is. They aren't just against partner-sex, they're against ALL sex.
2. It helps focus sexuality as pleasure based rather than partner based. It's an inclusive sexuality, not a divisive one.
3. It helps women find sexual pleasure without the need of pro-feminist men or contraceptives. In even the most oppressive environments, women can find sexual satisfaction through masturbation. Trouble is, in most oppressive environments, masturbation is a dirty word.
4. Masturbation is a tool feminists (and others) can use to deconstruct their own sexuality and &quot;find themselves&quot; or reprogram themselves outside of social constraints. 

Why is #2 good? 
Because it doesn't make normative assumptions. If Amanda had focussed her essay on the title, how the right is anti-sex, instead of applying a heteronormative filter to a homosexual's words, her point would have been better made.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amanda said:<br />
<blockquote>Maybe it was my joking dig at Playboy that made Elaine single me out as a particularly odious member of the secret anti-masturbation conspiracy?</p></blockquote>
	<p>No. The reason I brought masturbation up in this thread is that masturbation promotion does a few things well:<br />
1. It shows how fundamentally anti-sex the right wing is. They aren&#8217;t just against partner-sex, they&#8217;re against ALL sex.<br />
2. It helps focus sexuality as pleasure based rather than partner based. It&#8217;s an inclusive sexuality, not a divisive one.<br />
3. It helps women find sexual pleasure without the need of pro-feminist men or contraceptives. In even the most oppressive environments, women can find sexual satisfaction through masturbation. Trouble is, in most oppressive environments, masturbation is a dirty word.<br />
4. Masturbation is a tool feminists (and others) can use to deconstruct their own sexuality and &#8220;find themselves&#8221; or reprogram themselves outside of social constraints. </p>
	<p>Why is #2 good?<br />
Because it doesn&#8217;t make normative assumptions. If Amanda had focussed her essay on the title, how the right is anti-sex, instead of applying a heteronormative filter to a homosexual&#8217;s words, her point would have been better made.
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		<title>by: Shelly</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-454098</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:55:20 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The problem, as I see it is in the U.S. sexuality has always been pushed to the side. Granted TV and openly speaking of sex has changed much from 20 years ago but just speaking on the subject is still taboo.   

People have been brainwashed for some time that sex is dirty. From religious fanatics to politicians.  In the end what happens?  We have priests dicking little boys along with the politicians.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The problem, as I see it is in the U.S. sexuality has always been pushed to the side. Granted TV and openly speaking of sex has changed much from 20 years ago but just speaking on the subject is still taboo.   </p>
	<p>People have been brainwashed for some time that sex is dirty. From religious fanatics to politicians.  In the end what happens?  We have priests dicking little boys along with the politicians.
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		<title>by: Louise, Bringer of Party Platters and Heinekens</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-453121</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:14:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for reminding me; forgot to take it this morning. Will chase it with an exta-large coffee!!

Seriously, though- living up here in Maine, the paper mill issues you raised are legit. But every time one shuts down, even temporarily with a layoff, it devastates the local economies and families- I seriously doubt, in light of that and how unfriendly an enviroment Maine is for business, that the paper industry will ever be forced to take responsibility and clean up their act. Financially, too many local people depend on them.

Rumford, home of one of the larger mills in western ME, has the highest cancer rate in the nation. The local baseball field is in the lee of the buildings and the air is horrendous- can you imagine letting your kids grow up in that town, let alone play directly under it?

I can name off of the top of my head some other towns with similar air quality issues: Jay (20 miles from Rumford), Westbrook (next-door to Portland, our largest city), Orono (where UMO is located), and &quot;Stinkin' Lincoln&quot;, up past Bangor. Maine as a state had a few years ago the 3rd highest cancer rate in the NATION- Delaware was number one. Yet these issues aren't being worked upon by our governor- he's too worried about school district consolidation, county prison system consolidation, and forcing every Mainer into his pet project- Dirigo health insurance. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for reminding me; forgot to take it this morning. Will chase it with an exta-large coffee!!</p>
	<p>Seriously, though- living up here in Maine, the paper mill issues you raised are legit. But every time one shuts down, even temporarily with a layoff, it devastates the local economies and families- I seriously doubt, in light of that and how unfriendly an enviroment Maine is for business, that the paper industry will ever be forced to take responsibility and clean up their act. Financially, too many local people depend on them.</p>
	<p>Rumford, home of one of the larger mills in western ME, has the highest cancer rate in the nation. The local baseball field is in the lee of the buildings and the air is horrendous- can you imagine letting your kids grow up in that town, let alone play directly under it?</p>
	<p>I can name off of the top of my head some other towns with similar air quality issues: Jay (20 miles from Rumford), Westbrook (next-door to Portland, our largest city), Orono (where UMO is located), and &#8220;Stinkin&#8217; Lincoln&#8221;, up past Bangor. Maine as a state had a few years ago the 3rd highest cancer rate in the NATION- Delaware was number one. Yet these issues aren&#8217;t being worked upon by our governor- he&#8217;s too worried about school district consolidation, county prison system consolidation, and forcing every Mainer into his pet project- Dirigo health insurance.
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		<title>by: PhoenicianRomans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-453016</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:12:13 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Ah, so wimmin aren’t just emasculating the males of their own species, they’re doing it to ALL species!&lt;/i&gt;

Mmm?  If this is about the sticklebacks, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mex.dk/uk/vis_nyhed_uk.asp?id=4892&amp;amp;nyhedsbrev_id=661&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;check this out&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;The Danish Environment Minister subsequently launched a detailed analysis of the causes. The main conclusions of the report, which was published in 2002, is &lt;b&gt;that feminization of fish is probably caused by natural female hormones&lt;/b&gt;. Oestrogens derived from human urine are excreted with domestic wastewater and hence may be discharged into the aquatic environment. A less significant source is synthetic hormones derived from contraceptive pills.&quot;

So it's not just EvilContraceptiveUsing wimmin - it's &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; women!  You're a pox on the natural environment by your very existence! Stop peeing, dammit!

And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR5182.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paper mills&lt;/a&gt; and plastics - but never mind about that - there's a gender to bash!

We will note with interest that, in the hysteria about EvilWomenHormoneIckies, nobody has asked the question about what testosterone does to fish - turning a significiant proportion of fish male sounds a lot more dangerous than turning them female. Or, for that matter, whether this is worse than poisoning them with heavy metals in the Sacred Cause of GDP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Ah, so wimmin aren’t just emasculating the males of their own species, they’re doing it to ALL species!</i></p>
	<p>Mmm?  If this is about the sticklebacks, <a href="http://www.mex.dk/uk/vis_nyhed_uk.asp?id=4892&amp;nyhedsbrev_id=661" rel="nofollow">check this out</a>:</p>
	<p>&#8220;The Danish Environment Minister subsequently launched a detailed analysis of the causes. The main conclusions of the report, which was published in 2002, is <b>that feminization of fish is probably caused by natural female hormones</b>. Oestrogens derived from human urine are excreted with domestic wastewater and hence may be discharged into the aquatic environment. A less significant source is synthetic hormones derived from contraceptive pills.&#8221;</p>
	<p>So it&#8217;s not just EvilContraceptiveUsing wimmin - it&#8217;s <b>all</b> women!  You&#8217;re a pox on the natural environment by your very existence! Stop peeing, dammit!</p>
	<p>And <a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR5182.html" rel="nofollow">paper mills</a> and plastics - but never mind about that - there&#8217;s a gender to bash!</p>
	<p>We will note with interest that, in the hysteria about EvilWomenHormoneIckies, nobody has asked the question about what testosterone does to fish - turning a significiant proportion of fish male sounds a lot more dangerous than turning them female. Or, for that matter, whether this is worse than poisoning them with heavy metals in the Sacred Cause of GDP.
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		<title>by: PhoenicianRomans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-453008</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:59:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;For myself, if i realize i am giving head to a right wing nut, i stop immediately&lt;/i&gt;

Just tell them that right wing politics makes your teeth grind...

&lt;i&gt;Seriously, man. At least try.&lt;/i&gt;

Not worth the effort, JS, not worth the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>For myself, if i realize i am giving head to a right wing nut, i stop immediately</i></p>
	<p>Just tell them that right wing politics makes your teeth grind&#8230;</p>
	<p><i>Seriously, man. At least try.</i></p>
	<p>Not worth the effort, JS, not worth the effort.
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		<title>by: moss.gatlin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-452938</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:24:58 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>did no one else get the sense that Eric was looking back to those &quot;classical&quot; as in Greek days rather than Victorian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>did no one else get the sense that Eric was looking back to those &#8220;classical&#8221; as in Greek days rather than Victorian?
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		<title>by: junk science</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-452897</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:26:57 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;PiaToR is a rape apologist troll.&lt;/i&gt;

And as if that weren't bad enough, he keeps repeating &quot;Pinocchio&quot; as if he ripped it off Jon Stewart. 

Seriously, man. At least try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>PiaToR is a rape apologist troll.</i></p>
	<p>And as if that weren&#8217;t bad enough, he keeps repeating &#8220;Pinocchio&#8221; as if he ripped it off Jon Stewart. </p>
	<p>Seriously, man. At least try.
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		<title>by: Louise, Bringer of Party Platters and Heinekens</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-452875</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:46:57 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Ah, so wimmin aren't just emasculating the males of their own species, they're doing it to ALL species!

Good to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ah, so wimmin aren&#8217;t just emasculating the males of their own species, they&#8217;re doing it to ALL species!</p>
	<p>Good to know.
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		<title>by: Jesurgislac</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-452859</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:18:06 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>PiaToR: &lt;i&gt;The wingnuts at Common Sense still laugh about you, you know.&lt;/i&gt;

And I'm happy to know that there you found a blog where the regular posters are at the same intellectual, moral and emotional level as you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>PiaToR: <i>The wingnuts at Common Sense still laugh about you, you know.</i></p>
	<p>And I&#8217;m happy to know that there you found a blog where the regular posters are at the same intellectual, moral and emotional level as you are.
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		<title>by: Lamb Cannon</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/22/6074/#comment-452849</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:46:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Let's go, sluts! Keep up the good work!

For myself, if i realize i am giving head to a right wing nut, i stop immediately

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let&#8217;s go, sluts! Keep up the good work!</p>
	<p>For myself, if i realize i am giving head to a right wing nut, i stop immediately
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