Comments on: The show-your-tits tap dance http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:02:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Jerome http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-453366 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:32:37 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-453366 I'm a guy, and admittedly, I enjoy these "lad mags." But I think pinning the blame on anybody's hard, if not downright impossible, since there are so many factors to consider. Sex and sexuality isn't just a base primal instinct for men, for instance: some people actually resort to pornography out of loneliness, or lack of intimacy with a loved one. But then, these guys are also to blame for their lack of fortitude in the matter. You could also blame the business execs that recognize the profitability of the smut market. I mean, to say that you have to find somebody to blame is a really really big job that might not have any solid possible end. I’m a guy, and admittedly, I enjoy these “lad mags.” But I think pinning the blame on anybody’s hard, if not downright impossible, since there are so many factors to consider. Sex and sexuality isn’t just a base primal instinct for men, for instance: some people actually resort to pornography out of loneliness, or lack of intimacy with a loved one. But then, these guys are also to blame for their lack of fortitude in the matter. You could also blame the business execs that recognize the profitability of the smut market. I mean, to say that you have to find somebody to blame is a really really big job that might not have any solid possible end.

]]> by: jon http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-452570 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:43:53 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-452570 So a urogenital tract is like a pipe organ? To play it well, I need my hands, feet, and a whole lot of air? As long as I get to dress like the organist from Monty Python, it's all good. So a urogenital tract is like a pipe organ? To play it well, I need my hands, feet, and a whole lot of air?

As long as I get to dress like the organist from Monty Python, it’s all good.

]]> by: Julian Elson http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-452479 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:47:36 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-452479 A woman's reproductive system is not something you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. A woman’s reproductive system is not something you just dump something on. It’s not a big truck. It’s a series of tubes.

]]> by: Julian Elson http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-452478 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:46:25 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-452478 A woman's reproductive system is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. A woman’s reproductive system is not something that you just dump something on. It’s not a big truck. It’s a series of tubes.

]]> by: Destructor http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451918 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:21:38 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451918 It's odd, there's <a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/zoe_margolis/2007/09/buying_into_oppression.html" rel="nofollow">another, different column in the Guardian</a> today, saying almost exactly the same thing. I get extremely frustrated with fashmags and lads mags and celebrity mags and all the mags which do nothing but obsess over women and how they should look. Whenever friends buy these magazine, I say: "You know by buying that you're really just chipping another flake off of the pillars of civilization." and they chide me for being a cheerless party-pooper. It’s odd, there’s another, different column in the Guardian today, saying almost exactly the same thing.

I get extremely frustrated with fashmags and lads mags and celebrity mags and all the mags which do nothing but obsess over women and how they should look. Whenever friends buy these magazine, I say: “You know by buying that you’re really just chipping another flake off of the pillars of civilization.” and they chide me for being a cheerless party-pooper.

]]> by: Dorothy http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451897 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:26:52 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451897 <i>#Dorothy — sorry. The sheer extent of the double standard had me bamboozled.</i> Paul, pointing out the double standard actually helped: violent reaction to not having your sense of entitlement to a neighbors truck is blatantly and undeniably wrong. "Call the men in white coats" wrong, even. I can't see anyone making the argument in favor of that. If you agree with any part of the analogy, it's impossible to persist in thinking sexually-motivated violence against women is justified. In a sense, it points out exactly how wrong that is. #Dorothy — sorry. The sheer extent of the double standard had me bamboozled.

Paul, pointing out the double standard actually helped: violent reaction to not having your sense of entitlement to a neighbors truck is blatantly and undeniably wrong. “Call the men in white coats” wrong, even. I can’t see anyone making the argument in favor of that.

If you agree with any part of the analogy, it’s impossible to persist in thinking sexually-motivated violence against women is justified. In a sense, it points out exactly how wrong that is.

]]> by: jon http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451841 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:41:28 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451841 Ugly in pink, Just remember, you did ask: http://www.mightyjustice.net/jubei/stuff/dragonsfuckingcars/?N=D And no, I don't really understand it either. Ugly in pink,

Just remember, you did ask:

http://www.mightyjustice.net/jubei/stuff/dragonsfuckingcars/?N=D

And no, I don’t really understand it either.

]]> by: Ann http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451816 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:51:00 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451816 Babs, Jon clearly included women who say “I’m not interested, so bug off,” not just those who apparently have partners. Maybe we all just need to agree on a definition of "hit on." I don't think it's at all unreasonable that when I'm in a public place where socializing normally occurs, people who find me attractive might approach me and attempt to start a conversation. Is that being hit on? Only when I've said no and it persists does it become harassment. And I thought Jon's analogy to having a pickup truck was funny: he wasn't comparing the two things, he was comparing other people's sense of entitlement to them. Guess it was too deep. Babs, Jon clearly included women who say “I’m not interested, so bug off,” not just those who apparently have partners. Maybe we all just need to agree on a definition of “hit on.” I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable that when I’m in a public place where socializing normally occurs, people who find me attractive might approach me and attempt to start a conversation. Is that being hit on? Only when I’ve said no and it persists does it become harassment.

And I thought Jon’s analogy to having a pickup truck was funny: he wasn’t comparing the two things, he was comparing other people’s sense of entitlement to them. Guess it was too deep.

]]> by: Ugly In Pink http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451815 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:50:20 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451815 "actual exhaust pipe porn" Linky? :-D “actual exhaust pipe porn”

Linky? :-D

]]> by: jon http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451744 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:12:45 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/6063/#comment-451744 Whether it was a good analogy or a bad analogy, it's an analogy not a metaphor, folks. Just because someone somewhere has produced actual exhaust pipe porn doesn't make the two in any manner equivalent. At least I sure hope not. And I'm not saying "just deal with it" so much as "sorry too many assholes make you deal with it." I'm just one man, you are all one man or woman, and we all have to work to make the world a better place. It's tiring, thankless work a lot of the time. But is it worth it? I sure hope so, since I try. And when I said "partner" I meant "partner", and not necessarily "husband". I still think hitting on married or dating people is vile behavior, whether or not the patriarchy is involved. Whether it was a good analogy or a bad analogy, it’s an analogy not a metaphor, folks. Just because someone somewhere has produced actual exhaust pipe porn doesn’t make the two in any manner equivalent. At least I sure hope not.

And I’m not saying “just deal with it” so much as “sorry too many assholes make you deal with it.” I’m just one man, you are all one man or woman, and we all have to work to make the world a better place. It’s tiring, thankless work a lot of the time. But is it worth it? I sure hope so, since I try.

And when I said “partner” I meant “partner”, and not necessarily “husband”. I still think hitting on married or dating people is vile behavior, whether or not the patriarchy is involved.

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