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		<title>by: mattsmom</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-451370</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:55:27 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Louise, you are so correct!  As my ex-mother-in-law said to her family after I (a Methodist) got divorced from her Baptist son, &quot;I told you that mixed-marriages just don't work.&quot;

Of course, religion was not the problem in the marriage (it was her son telling me I would never be equal in the marriage as long as I made less money than he did), but you could never tell her that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Louise, you are so correct!  As my ex-mother-in-law said to her family after I (a Methodist) got divorced from her Baptist son, &#8220;I told you that mixed-marriages just don&#8217;t work.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Of course, religion was not the problem in the marriage (it was her son telling me I would never be equal in the marriage as long as I made less money than he did), but you could never tell her that.
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		<title>by: has_te</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-450942</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:44:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Anybody thunk on that maybe Rove's
machinations were actually based in something real.

I.e. He is? unbalanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anybody thunk on that maybe Rove&#8217;s<br />
machinations were actually based in something real.</p>
	<p>I.e. He is? unbalanced.
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		<title>by: Louise, Bringer of Party Platters and Heinekens</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-450663</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:43:11 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The devotion is beautiful (ah, young love...), but I do wish they had kept this a more private moment...

And if Bush is a Methodist and McCain a Baptist, won't that religious difference hinder their chances for happiness? Or is this more along the lines of the Romeo and Juliet type of tragedy instead of king Lear??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The devotion is beautiful (ah, young love&#8230;), but I do wish they had kept this a more private moment&#8230;</p>
	<p>And if Bush is a Methodist and McCain a Baptist, won&#8217;t that religious difference hinder their chances for happiness? Or is this more along the lines of the Romeo and Juliet type of tragedy instead of king Lear??
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		<title>by: Coin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-450639</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:00:55 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Many of the movers and shakers are still Episcopalian…wonder how they feel about this?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, if McCain's past record is any indication, what will happen now is that his support among Episcopalians will tank while his support among Baptists will stay completely even.

The really funny thing is that even in this moment of desperation, McCain is misreading the nature of his party's own base. It's not really whether you're a baptist that matters, I think. It's whether you're a &lt;i&gt;evangelical&lt;/i&gt;, which is a sort of ephermal thing that has nothing to do with religious denomination and everything to do with whether you are part of this floating religious subculture that the Real True Christians have built for themselves within America. The SBC is a big part of this subculture, to be sure, but they aren't the subculture itself, and many of the most important people (read: televangelists) among the evangelicals are denominationally unaffiliated. 

This is why it doesn't matter that Bush is a Methodist, or whether he goes to church that often (although apparently when he &lt;a href=&quot;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_3_122/ai_n10300871&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;does attend church&lt;/a&gt;, it's Episcopal?). He knows the code words, he can convince people he's listening to the right televangelists or read a Left Behind book once or whatever, and this is probably what defines his religious identity more than denomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Many of the movers and shakers are still Episcopalian…wonder how they feel about this?</p></blockquote>
	<p>Well, if McCain&#8217;s past record is any indication, what will happen now is that his support among Episcopalians will tank while his support among Baptists will stay completely even.</p>
	<p>The really funny thing is that even in this moment of desperation, McCain is misreading the nature of his party&#8217;s own base. It&#8217;s not really whether you&#8217;re a baptist that matters, I think. It&#8217;s whether you&#8217;re a <i>evangelical</i>, which is a sort of ephermal thing that has nothing to do with religious denomination and everything to do with whether you are part of this floating religious subculture that the Real True Christians have built for themselves within America. The SBC is a big part of this subculture, to be sure, but they aren&#8217;t the subculture itself, and many of the most important people (read: televangelists) among the evangelicals are denominationally unaffiliated. </p>
	<p>This is why it doesn&#8217;t matter that Bush is a Methodist, or whether he goes to church that often (although apparently when he <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_3_122/ai_n10300871" rel="nofollow">does attend church</a>, it&#8217;s Episcopal?). He knows the code words, he can convince people he&#8217;s listening to the right televangelists or read a Left Behind book once or whatever, and this is probably what defines his religious identity more than denomination.
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		<title>by: Swedgin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-450617</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:03:34 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Is the DFW radio piece mentioned above the same as the tale described while on the road for &lt;i&gt;Rolling Stone&lt;/i&gt; in Consider The Lobster?  Due to various work related proxies and filters I no can do streaming audio or video (no youtube for me) while at the office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is the DFW radio piece mentioned above the same as the tale described while on the road for <i>Rolling Stone</i> in Consider The Lobster?  Due to various work related proxies and filters I no can do streaming audio or video (no youtube for me) while at the office.
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		<title>by: Blue Jean</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-450598</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:16:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey, it's the Storyline. &quot;Drunk Wastrel Turns His Back on Demon Rum to Embrace Jesus and Redeem Family Name&quot; is ever so much more exciting than &quot;Vice President Succeeds Successful President&quot;.  The Ordinary Guy Makes Good is a better plot than Smart Man Makes Good.  Never mind that said Ordinary Guy has billions in corporate intersts backing him, and nothing really going for him save his family name and family wealth.  
Don't bother the media with the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey, it&#8217;s the Storyline. &#8220;Drunk Wastrel Turns His Back on Demon Rum to Embrace Jesus and Redeem Family Name&#8221; is ever so much more exciting than &#8220;Vice President Succeeds Successful President&#8221;.  The Ordinary Guy Makes Good is a better plot than Smart Man Makes Good.  Never mind that said Ordinary Guy has billions in corporate intersts backing him, and nothing really going for him save his family name and family wealth.<br />
Don&#8217;t bother the media with the facts.
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		<title>by: TiaRachel</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-450595</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:46:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I saw something today about Fred Thompson's laziness (which I can't seem to find!) that make me think he and McCain share a certain core cluelessness -- it seems that both assume that because something worked for GOP-god Reagan or Dictator-in-chief Bush, that it'll work for them too. Completely ignoring all the financial/organizational/media backing involved in presenting a lazy self-involved opportunistic wastrel as the Next Best Hope...

Come to think of it, that seems to be endemic to beltway thinking, doesn't it? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I saw something today about Fred Thompson&#8217;s laziness (which I can&#8217;t seem to find!) that make me think he and McCain share a certain core cluelessness &#8212; it seems that both assume that because something worked for GOP-god Reagan or Dictator-in-chief Bush, that it&#8217;ll work for them too. Completely ignoring all the financial/organizational/media backing involved in presenting a lazy self-involved opportunistic wastrel as the Next Best Hope&#8230;</p>
	<p>Come to think of it, that seems to be endemic to beltway thinking, doesn&#8217;t it?
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		<title>by: hf</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-450594</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:40:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Remember, the media liked John McCain early on. They admitted 'taking him off the record' whenever he tried to self-destruct. Bush had to stop hanging out with them until defeating Saint McCain in the primary, then get them back by waving a juicy bone or however you train Powder Wigged Pundits. John probably didn't adjust well when they stopped worshiping him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Remember, the media liked John McCain early on. They admitted &#8216;taking him off the record&#8217; whenever he tried to self-destruct. Bush had to stop hanging out with them until defeating Saint McCain in the primary, then get them back by waving a juicy bone or however you train Powder Wigged Pundits. John probably didn&#8217;t adjust well when they stopped worshiping him.
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		<title>by: car</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-450593</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:36:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Dude. If he's talking Southern Baptist, I've got news for him. My family has been Southern Baptist so long I've got it encoded in my DNA, and I can tell you that if he hasn't been baptized as an adult, there isn't an SBC affiliate church in the world who will claim him. They have a lot of autonomy in the minor beliefs, but in that one, no. It's a requirement for membership. That's why it's IN THE GODDAMNED NAME OF THE DENOMINATION. He ain't no Baptist. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dude. If he&#8217;s talking Southern Baptist, I&#8217;ve got news for him. My family has been Southern Baptist so long I&#8217;ve got it encoded in my DNA, and I can tell you that if he hasn&#8217;t been baptized as an adult, there isn&#8217;t an SBC affiliate church in the world who will claim him. They have a lot of autonomy in the minor beliefs, but in that one, no. It&#8217;s a requirement for membership. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s IN THE GODDAMNED NAME OF THE DENOMINATION. He ain&#8217;t no Baptist.
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		<title>by: Rufustfyrfly, Anti-Pope of Bubble Tea</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/the-slow-death-of-a-presidential-hope/#comment-450583</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:43:24 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I could never really feel all that bad for John &quot;refuses to apologize for open use of anti-Asian racial slurs&quot; McCain having racist bullshit turned against him.  As sleazy as the attacks on him were, he was not the noble tragic figure people tend to portray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I could never really feel all that bad for John &#8220;refuses to apologize for open use of anti-Asian racial slurs&#8221; McCain having racist bullshit turned against him.  As sleazy as the attacks on him were, he was not the noble tragic figure people tend to portray.
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