Comments on: Theocratic water torture http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:46:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: clytemnestra http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449232 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:52:36 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449232 This afternoon I got this from a friend I sent the NYT story too <blockquote>Good grief! The chaplains that work for me are outraged as well! </blockquote> know any liberal ministers, chaplains, priests, rabbis, imams, monks, etc. etc. that you can forward this story too? <blockquote>clytemnestra: If it wasn’t registered only I would point out the obvious to them. This isn’t an anti-Christianity-and-Judaism thing, it’s a Fundie-Christian-Only thing. </blockquote> There are ways of getting around that. This afternoon I got this from a friend I sent the NYT story too

Good grief! The chaplains that work for me are outraged as well!

know any liberal ministers, chaplains, priests, rabbis, imams, monks, etc. etc. that you can forward this story too?

clytemnestra: If it wasn’t registered only I would point out the obvious to them. This isn’t an anti-Christianity-and-Judaism thing, it’s a Fundie-Christian-Only thing.

There are ways of getting around that.

]]> by: Hysterical Woman http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449198 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:24:02 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449198 clytemnestra: If it wasn't registered only I would point out the obvious to them. This isn't an anti-Christianity-and-Judaism thing, it's a Fundie-Christian-Only thing. clytemnestra: If it wasn’t registered only I would point out the obvious to them. This isn’t an anti-Christianity-and-Judaism thing, it’s a Fundie-Christian-Only thing.

]]> by: Dorothy http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449099 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:32:13 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449099 <i>the catalog is banned because the pictures may cause inmates to have an imaginative moment and make a shank that looks just like a ceremonial dagger. Honest.</i> Well, it's obvious that without that catalog, inmates would have <b>no way of knowing</b> what a knife looks like or how to make one out of materials at hand. It's for their own safety, you know. the catalog is banned because the pictures may cause inmates to have an imaginative moment and make a shank that looks just like a ceremonial dagger. Honest.

Well, it’s obvious that without that catalog, inmates would have no way of knowing what a knife looks like or how to make one out of materials at hand.

It’s for their own safety, you know.

]]> by: Thomas TSID http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449076 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:19:52 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449076 The picture reminds me of a joke: "Jesus saves. Rebound Gretzky - Score!" The picture reminds me of a joke: “Jesus saves. Rebound Gretzky - Score!”

]]> by: clytemnestra http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449065 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:51:28 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449065 lol ... dispensations anyone lol … dispensations anyone

]]> by: JoAsakura, Minor Deity of Jelly Babies http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449061 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:26:51 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449061 clytemnestra: <blockquote>you know those crosses can be whittled down to a shiv </blockquote> "It's not a shiv! really! It's a relic of the true cross!!" Would someone then get solitary for being a papist and an idolator? -.-; clytemnestra:
you know those crosses can be whittled down to a shiv

“It’s not a shiv! really! It’s a relic of the true cross!!”

Would someone then get solitary for being a papist and an idolator?

-.-;

]]> by: Caroline http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449045 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:38:49 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449045 Dang it, why hasn't anyone put the list up on the internet yet? I demand that it be leaked posthaste! Dang it, why hasn’t anyone put the list up on the internet yet? I demand that it be leaked posthaste!

]]> by: Louise, Bringer of Party Platters and Heinekens http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449042 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:20:48 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449042 BTW, if Jeezub can walk on water, why does he need ice skates? He doesn't need a mouth guard or helmet... BTW, if Jeezub can walk on water, why does he need ice skates? He doesn’t need a mouth guard or helmet…

]]> by: Sunburned Counsel http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449038 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:15:32 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449038 Unfortunatly, prisons are often a black hole of Establishment Clause protections, with the power dynamic so massively skewed. In places with thoughtful wardens and a diverse population, things might be okay. But a zealous warden or regional "religious" culture can become ridiculous. As one example, my brother was in jail in Virginia and part of his sentence was a addiction treatment program. He either had to do it while he was locked up, or pay for it himself (and it had to be a full-time residental program approved by the state) when he got out. Obviously, you want to do the one that's paid for, and is offered while you have nothing else to do. The program was one giant Establishment Clause violation- it was all very AA (which is not overtly Chirstian but contains tons of specific Christian belief) and they actually had to start every day with the Lord's Prayer. And because those running the program were very fundie, there was not way to get around it- even one write-up for questioning or non-compliance by the fundie staff could get you kicked out of the 11 week program. Because accepting authority and giving into the higher power are very AA requirements. Since he "could" have done an outside program, it wasn't a "required" activity. However, that would never stand up in court based on other EC jurisprudence. I wish he had sued when he got out, but he didn't want to touch the penal system again with a ten foot pole. Unfortunatly, prisons are often a black hole of Establishment Clause protections, with the power dynamic so massively skewed. In places with thoughtful wardens and a diverse population, things might be okay. But a zealous warden or regional “religious” culture can become ridiculous.
As one example, my brother was in jail in Virginia and part of his sentence was a addiction treatment program. He either had to do it while he was locked up, or pay for it himself (and it had to be a full-time residental program approved by the state) when he got out. Obviously, you want to do the one that’s paid for, and is offered while you have nothing else to do. The program was one giant Establishment Clause violation- it was all very AA (which is not overtly Chirstian but contains tons of specific Christian belief) and they actually had to start every day with the Lord’s Prayer. And because those running the program were very fundie, there was not way to get around it- even one write-up for questioning or non-compliance by the fundie staff could get you kicked out of the 11 week program. Because accepting authority and giving into the higher power are very AA requirements. Since he “could” have done an outside program, it wasn’t a “required” activity. However, that would never stand up in court based on other EC jurisprudence. I wish he had sued when he got out, but he didn’t want to touch the penal system again with a ten foot pole.

]]> by: clytemnestra http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449025 Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:26:37 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/theocratic-water-torture/#comment-449025 Mark Foxwell, I wonder if your dumb down editor knows that the 2nd and 6th president of the United States are buried in an UU church http://www.ufpc.org/ ("Although I know fundies like to say "Well if they knew what the church has become, they'd have no part of it." -- like they'd know, just like people know Casey Sheehan would have disapproved of what his mother is doing.) And actually the fundies don't consider any sect that's not them, Christian. Dobson's assitant confirmed that when he talked about whether Fred Thompson was qualified to be president. Mark Foxwell,

I wonder if your dumb down editor knows that the 2nd and 6th president of the United States are buried in an UU church http://www.ufpc.org/

(”Although I know fundies like to say “Well if they knew what the church has become, they’d have no part of it.” — like they’d know, just like people know Casey Sheehan would have disapproved of what his mother is doing.)

And actually the fundies don’t consider any sect that’s not them, Christian. Dobson’s assitant confirmed that when he talked about whether Fred Thompson was qualified to be president.

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