i know that the question was for Jeff, but I want to second (or third or whatever) Jeff’s ‘no.’ if you
are trying to strip people of their right to be equal under the law because you don’t like who they love (or for any other reason), you cannot be a decent person.

Dude, have you actually read and understood what you wrote? Or do you really feel that saying “I hate racism and homophobia; I find them irrational and stupid.” (which is a good cut-and-dried statement we can all support) IS NOT undone when you say “I’m just making a statement that it’s not the government’s place to force people to deal with persons they do not wish to deal with.”…?

You don’t see the incoherence of those two statements? That you personally feel you’re not a bigot (Rah! Rah!), but The Government shouldn’t get involved if people want to be bigots and harm people through the exercise of their bigotry? Wha?

“And you lump me in with conservatives, when as a libertarian, I have as much disagreement with conservatives as I do with liberals.”

You may be one of the three exceptions, but it’s been my experience (and many others here too) that calling yourself a “libertarian” usually means you called yourself a “conservative” until the stench of the Cheney/Bush administration became too intense to ignore. It’s almost always a dodge, unless you’re a high school student, in which case you haven’t matured enough to see the childish lunacy of “libertarianism” for what it really is…

Sarah, you’re just being intolerant of Night’s intolerance. His bigotry must be accepted and embraced, or you are the REAL bigot.

It says so right here in my Reichwing talking/arguing points manual, from the Karl Rove “I Know You Are, But What Am I?” Institute of Advanced Wingnut Studies…

Wow! You totally disregard what I wrote, coming up with some lame sarcasm implying that I’m a bigot. And you lump me in with conservatives, when as a libertarian, I have as much disagreement with conservatives as I do with liberals.

I find it really odd that I’ve gotten this treatment here. In dealing with those of different gender, sexual preference, and race, I’ve never treated–or even been tempted to treat–anybody differently. I’ve always wondered how people could grow up to be adults so hateful of others simply because they have more melanin or like boys instead of girls. But I come here and have an opinion that differs, and I am the recipient of what seems to be something at least approximating hate.

For that reason, I will leave, this time without changing my mind. I am sure my words will be twisted when I leave. But that’s all right. It’s time for a “flouncy” terminus.

Well, I am a right voter - and an evang. Christian so I suppose that makes me the devil in this forum. But let me say this, GOOD RIDDANCE…

Personally, I find the homosexual lifestyle to be a rather distorted version of our purpose on this planet - but I back those views with my lifestyle. No one likes a hypocrite… The sooner we vet these bums out of the GOP the better I say.

Well if all that means you’re one of the people voting to make our lives worse, then yeah, you might want to claim that devil title for yourself.

It says so right here in my Reichwing talking/arguing points manual, from the Karl Rove “I Know You Are, But What Am I?” Institute of Advanced Wingnut Studies…

6. Comes back anyway, despite claiming that he was leaving.

I love it, I was just SO waiting for that

Ooooo, classic troll behaviour, in compressed form!

1. Make stupid bigoted argument

2. Claim that it’s those that don’t tolerate intolerance that are the really intolerant ones.

3. Claim those here are SO rude!

4. Deny ever having said what they said.

5. Make a flouncy announcement of exiting.

Wow, we ought to frame this.

Well, you’ve goaded me back. So you can call me a liar now. But men too have the prerogative to change their minds. (Crap! It will be a small miracle if that doesn’t provoke a charge of sexism.)

Now, to answer five ridiculous assertions.

1. Where? Did I say that people of a certain color, sexual persuasion or gender were in any way inferior to white, straight males? No! And I never would! I don’t believe that! I hate racism and homophobia; I find them irrational and stupid. And when it comes to women, I may be biased in their favor. From what I’ve observed, they can do most jobs better than men, being quite able to multi-task where men, most of time, cannot. (I’ll get hell for that, but it just seems to be what I’ve observed.)

AGAIN, I’m just making a statement that it’s not the government’s place to force people to deal with persons they do not wish to deal with. As stupid and as irrational as they are, it is such persons’ right to be racist, homophobic or sexist. However, it is NOT their right to bring harm to those whom they hate. (Although American citizens have a right to their views, they do not have a right to government positions, and the government should be proactive in securing non-racist/non-sexist/non-homophobic agents such as judges and the police. )

2. We could go round and round on this one. The answer to number one makes my view clear (or should).

3. No, I don’t think that’s what I said. Though I could make the argument that you are. I simply stated a preference for discussing the issues without calling people names.

4. I don’t think I’ve denied anything I’ve said. I have tried to clarify even though, I think, what I said shouldn’t need clarification. I think that trying to make it racist, homophobic, etc., was either entirely dishonest or showing a complete lack of comprehension of what of was written.

5. I’m sorry. I explained myself until I was blue in the face, and I still got ridiculous accusations hurled at me. It became exasperating and boring at the same time. Only curiosity regarding that which was said in my absence brought me back. And knowing that at least the first four of the five “troll” assertions were inaccurate, I felt compelled to reply.

Frame it if you like. I merely expressed my opinion. And my opinion was not racist, sexist or homophobic–no matter what you say.

Personally, I find the homosexual lifestyle to be a rather distorted version of our purpose on this planet - but I back those views with my lifestyle. No one likes a hypocrite… The sooner we vet these bums out of the GOP the better I say.

Cheers.