Comments on: The bloggers vs. the MSM debate, neatly encapsulated in a post about reproductive rights http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:39:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Linden (though there may be two of us) http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-446554 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:22:35 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-446554 Eric, I'm stubborn so I'm revisiting old threads to get the last word in. Adoption would have solved none of my problems. It would have put my health at greater risk than an abortion. It would have caused far more heartache for me and my family. It was never an option. I'm older and financially independent and financially secure. If I found myself pregnant again, I'd talk with my partner, see how he felt about it, as well. I might keep it or have another abortion. Adoption is still not an option. Eric, I’m stubborn so I’m revisiting old threads to get the last word in.

Adoption would have solved none of my problems. It would have put my health at greater risk than an abortion. It would have caused far more heartache for me and my family. It was never an option.

I’m older and financially independent and financially secure. If I found myself pregnant again, I’d talk with my partner, see how he felt about it, as well. I might keep it or have another abortion. Adoption is still not an option.

]]> by: MikeEss http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445251 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:21:44 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445251 Eric, let's make it very simple... Unless you have a uterus residing inside your body, it's not your concern what women who do have uteri do with them. The fact that you or others are personally squicked out by somebody else's abortion means precisely zero. All over the world, there are men and women doing things that you would not personally like. They eat food you would find disgusting, wear the "wrong" clothes, believe in the "wrong" god(s), live in the "wrong" place, have the "wrong" skin color, speak the "wrong" language, have relationships of which you would not approve, have the "wrong" kind of sex, use birth control, raise their kids the "wrong" way... There's 6.5 billion people on Earth and I'm sure only a relative handful live in a way you would approve. Get over it... Eric, let’s make it very simple…

Unless you have a uterus residing inside your body, it’s not your concern what women who do have uteri do with them.

The fact that you or others are personally squicked out by somebody else’s abortion means precisely zero.

All over the world, there are men and women doing things that you would not personally like. They eat food you would find disgusting, wear the “wrong” clothes, believe in the “wrong” god(s), live in the “wrong” place, have the “wrong” skin color, speak the “wrong” language, have relationships of which you would not approve, have the “wrong” kind of sex, use birth control, raise their kids the “wrong” way…

There’s 6.5 billion people on Earth and I’m sure only a relative handful live in a way you would approve. Get over it…

]]> by: Eric http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445238 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:15:12 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445238 But, why have abortions in the first place? What's wrong with adoption, for instance? But, why have abortions in the first place? What’s wrong with adoption, for instance?

]]> by: Linden (though there may be two of us) http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445181 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:09:23 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445181 I just wanted to add something: if it creeps you out, Eric, don't have an abortion. It is not mandatory. Evil doctors are not going to come and flush out your abdominal cavity. Leave it to the owner of wombs to decide what they want to do. I just wanted to add something: if it creeps you out, Eric, don’t have an abortion. It is not mandatory. Evil doctors are not going to come and flush out your abdominal cavity. Leave it to the owner of wombs to decide what they want to do.

]]> by: Linden (though there may be two of us) http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445180 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:06:09 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445180 No, Eric, we wouldn't. As I mentioned, at best, I'd have no degree. I'd be dependent on someone I never intended to marry. I'd not have the life I had now. I'm really glad that I had my abortion. I knew exactly what I was doing. The doctor was an instrument of my will. He didn't cajole, blackmail or otherwise force me to get rid of something in my body the size of a chickpea. I asked him.Do you get it? You keep talking about evil doctors so you can ignore the person who actually needs this service, and who has good reason to want it. Pregnancy at some stages of your life can absolutely ruin it, sometimes even end it. Everybody knows this. You know this. Crack open a few novels from this century, then the last century. Read a few plays from whichever time you like. The chances are, if the subject of pregnancy comes up at all, the fact that it is risky, dangerous and potentially ruinous for the woman will also come up. Society is not, and hasn't been for a long time, friendly to pregnant women. And your assertion that there are no women doctors who perform abortions is absolute rubbish. No, Eric, we wouldn’t. As I mentioned, at best, I’d have no degree. I’d be dependent on someone I never intended to marry. I’d not have the life I had now.

I’m really glad that I had my abortion. I knew exactly what I was doing. The doctor was an instrument of my will. He didn’t cajole, blackmail or otherwise force me to get rid of something in my body the size of a chickpea. I asked him.Do you get it? You keep talking about evil doctors so you can ignore the person who actually needs this service, and who has good reason to want it. Pregnancy at some stages of your life can absolutely ruin it, sometimes even end it. Everybody knows this. You know this. Crack open a few novels from this century, then the last century. Read a few plays from whichever time you like. The chances are, if the subject of pregnancy comes up at all, the fact that it is risky, dangerous and potentially ruinous for the woman will also come up. Society is not, and hasn’t been for a long time, friendly to pregnant women.

And your assertion that there are no women doctors who perform abortions is absolute rubbish.

]]> by: Eric http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445150 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:22:15 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445150 I don't know, there's just something about the whole abortion scene that just creeps me out. It's like something out of a Bret Easton Ellis novel, psychoes and nutcases killing for the pure joy (and money) of it. Sorry guys, but the whole thing is just sick and twisted. Wouldn't we, as a species, be better off if we didn't routinely kill off our own offspring in the womb? I don’t know, there’s just something about the whole abortion scene that just creeps me out. It’s like something out of a Bret Easton Ellis novel, psychoes and nutcases killing for the pure joy (and money) of it. Sorry guys, but the whole thing is just sick and twisted. Wouldn’t we, as a species, be better off if we didn’t routinely kill off our own offspring in the womb?

]]> by: roula http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445005 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:11:56 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-445005 <i>It’s like masturbating to the image of someone shoving a chainsaw in a baby’s face. </i> so like, in terms of morality valence, if abortion = masturbating to baby-face-chainsawing then masturbating to abortion = masturbating^2 to baby-face-chainsawing and abortion &gt; baby-face-chainsawing this is fun, albeit kinda pointless. It’s like masturbating to the image of someone shoving a chainsaw in a baby’s face.

so like, in terms of morality valence, if
abortion = masturbating to baby-face-chainsawing

then
masturbating to abortion = masturbating^2 to baby-face-chainsawing

and
abortion > baby-face-chainsawing

this is fun, albeit kinda pointless.

]]> by: MikeEss http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-444844 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:17:21 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-444844 Eric, just relax, shut your computer down, and wait for the men in the white coats to come and help you... Eric, just relax, shut your computer down, and wait for the men in the white coats to come and help you…

]]> by: Eric http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-444837 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:38:32 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-444837 Why is it that the top killers in the Abortion Industry, the ones with the most confirmed kills, are almost exclusively male? Could it be that women are too kind and sensitive to kill another woman's baby for profit? A real man might take up Big Game hunting for a living, knowing that standing his ground against a charging rhino or elephant means death if he muffs his shot. What does the abortionist risk in killing a baby maybe one 100th his size? Absolutely nothing, it takes about as much courage as shooting a bunny rabbit. Working in the abortion industry is the ultimate sicko fantasy. You get to murder human beings, buy a nice Mercedes-Benz, and take absolutely no risk in the process. Killers for hire - That's all the abortion biz has to offer. Why is it that the top killers in the Abortion Industry, the ones with the most confirmed kills, are almost exclusively male? Could it be that women are too kind and sensitive to kill another woman’s baby for profit? A real man might take up Big Game hunting for a living, knowing that standing his ground against a charging rhino or elephant means death if he muffs his shot. What does the abortionist risk in killing a baby maybe one 100th his size? Absolutely nothing, it takes about as much courage as shooting a bunny rabbit. Working in the abortion industry is the ultimate sicko fantasy. You get to murder human beings, buy a nice Mercedes-Benz, and take absolutely no risk in the process. Killers for hire - That’s all the abortion biz has to offer.

]]> by: Eric http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-444830 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:51:06 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/22/the-bloggers-vs-the-msm-debate-neatly-encapsulated-in-a-post-about-reproductive-rights/#comment-444830 Sorry, but abortion is just morally disgusting. It's like masturbating to the image of someone shoving a chainsaw in a baby's face. Only total sickos and psychoes work in the abortion industry. It's basically Murder, Inc, and they make the Nazis look like Boy Scouts. Sorry, but abortion is just morally disgusting. It’s like masturbating to the image of someone shoving a chainsaw in a baby’s face. Only total sickos and psychoes work in the abortion industry. It’s basically Murder, Inc, and they make the Nazis look like Boy Scouts.

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