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		<title>by: Nomie</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443862</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:18:59 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I had to take something like 24 credit hours in my major - but I had to have well over a hundred credit hours at the college to qualify for graduation. This article doesn't make it at all clear whether these women will be taking a full degree. Will they be participating in other classes? Or do they need to be segregated off so they don't distract the menfolk?

Also, this quote had me reeling: 

&lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Women continue to make more inroads into traditional male bastions, which could be provoking Patterson to do this,&quot; Key said. Patterson is &quot;trying to draw the line in the sand of where women need to be.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm sorry, what year is this again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I had to take something like 24 credit hours in my major - but I had to have well over a hundred credit hours at the college to qualify for graduation. This article doesn&#8217;t make it at all clear whether these women will be taking a full degree. Will they be participating in other classes? Or do they need to be segregated off so they don&#8217;t distract the menfolk?</p>
	<p>Also, this quote had me reeling: </p>
	<blockquote><p> &#8220;Women continue to make more inroads into traditional male bastions, which could be provoking Patterson to do this,&#8221; Key said. Patterson is &#8220;trying to draw the line in the sand of where women need to be.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
	<p>I&#8217;m sorry, what year is this again?
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		<title>by: louise</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443648</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:34:53 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>From Sarah in Chicago: How about a course on “Stability 203: How not to go insane when trapped inside your house with only children to talk to” 

Oh- I understand and share your pain!! 7 days to go. If next summer is like this one, they will visit me on weekends at a home for the criminally insane by July.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>From Sarah in Chicago: How about a course on “Stability 203: How not to go insane when trapped inside your house with only children to talk to” </p>
	<p>Oh- I understand and share your pain!! 7 days to go. If next summer is like this one, they will visit me on weekends at a home for the criminally insane by July.
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		<title>by: yugenue</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443576</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:36:56 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>As I understand it, a lot of these programs were started in the early 20th century because there was a whole trend toward rationalizing systems to make them more efficient and effective.  Colleges were graduating women engineers and etc but those women were not generally considered suitable for &quot;masculine&quot; pursuits like, well, engineering or Taylorizing factory processes or what have you.  In response women turned their eyes toward rationalizing the spheres that they could occupy.  Hence home economics, family science, and social work, among other fields.  But they were plenty rigorous then.  Interesting that this particular (lame) program seems to be designed by men.  It seems to be an enshrinement of the &quot;what?  It's only housework&quot; approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As I understand it, a lot of these programs were started in the early 20th century because there was a whole trend toward rationalizing systems to make them more efficient and effective.  Colleges were graduating women engineers and etc but those women were not generally considered suitable for &#8220;masculine&#8221; pursuits like, well, engineering or Taylorizing factory processes or what have you.  In response women turned their eyes toward rationalizing the spheres that they could occupy.  Hence home economics, family science, and social work, among other fields.  But they were plenty rigorous then.  Interesting that this particular (lame) program seems to be designed by men.  It seems to be an enshrinement of the &#8220;what?  It&#8217;s only housework&#8221; approach.
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		<title>by: mythago</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443521</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>deep6, your mom took a program on home ec AND NUTRITION as well as general ed classes. This kind of degree isn't something anyone needs to be able to stay home with their kids and run a household; it's the SoBaps' way of keeping the ladies occupied while they get their MRS degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>deep6, your mom took a program on home ec AND NUTRITION as well as general ed classes. This kind of degree isn&#8217;t something anyone needs to be able to stay home with their kids and run a household; it&#8217;s the SoBaps&#8217; way of keeping the ladies occupied while they get their MRS degree.
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		<title>by: Linden</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443508</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:16:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The MST3K Home Ec short is one of the best ever. If you like that one, see &quot;Why Study Industrial Arts?&quot;, which is kind of the companion piece. I know an older guy who said his school actually separated all the boys out and had them watch it. I guess the girls were getting &quot;the talk&quot; at the time.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u7SGkcf4pbc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The MST3K Home Ec short is one of the best ever. If you like that one, see &#8220;Why Study Industrial Arts?&#8221;, which is kind of the companion piece. I know an older guy who said his school actually separated all the boys out and had them watch it. I guess the girls were getting &#8220;the talk&#8221; at the time.</p>
	<p><a href='http://youtube.com/watch?v=u7SGkcf4pbc' rel='nofollow'>http://youtube.com/watch?v=u7SGkcf4pbc</a>
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		<title>by: ginviren</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443507</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:13:20 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I got my BS in Family &amp;amp; Consumer Sciences.  http://www.fcs.txstate.edu/

My major was Consumer Sciences, so most of my classes were Consumer Law, Consumer Finance, Family Policy, etc.  However, we were required to take at least one elective in each of the other areas.  By far, my favorite was the Family &amp;amp; Child Development course of &quot;Nontraditional Families&quot; (that's not scare quotes, that's just what the class was called).  

Fashion Merchandising and Interior Design nearly bored me to tears though! ;-)

It's a shame their program can't be more like the one that I went through.  I've been out of college for 3 years, and I still refer back to the classes I took (much to my boyfriend's chagrin!).

Oh, and my 2 cents on a helpful course:
Family Relationships 101: In-laws - can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em.  How to deal without ending up in prison. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I got my BS in Family &amp; Consumer Sciences.  <a href='http://www.fcs.txstate.edu/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fcs.txstate.edu/</a></p>
	<p>My major was Consumer Sciences, so most of my classes were Consumer Law, Consumer Finance, Family Policy, etc.  However, we were required to take at least one elective in each of the other areas.  By far, my favorite was the Family &amp; Child Development course of &#8220;Nontraditional Families&#8221; (that&#8217;s not scare quotes, that&#8217;s just what the class was called).  </p>
	<p>Fashion Merchandising and Interior Design nearly bored me to tears though! <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>It&#8217;s a shame their program can&#8217;t be more like the one that I went through.  I&#8217;ve been out of college for 3 years, and I still refer back to the classes I took (much to my boyfriend&#8217;s chagrin!).</p>
	<p>Oh, and my 2 cents on a helpful course:<br />
Family Relationships 101: In-laws - can&#8217;t live with &#8216;em, can&#8217;t shoot &#8216;em.  How to deal without ending up in prison. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: The Opoponax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443497</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:57:00 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I had to spend hundreds of hours in class to get my major.&lt;/i&gt;

I'm not sure if this was already answered above, but southern universities often use the term &quot;hour&quot; where northern ones use &quot;credit&quot;.  It's usually not meant to translate directly to time spent in the classroom.  

For instance, my college major had a total requirement of 24 credits in my major.  Since most courses offered in my school were worth 3 credits apiece, that meant that I had to take 8 different courses.

Technically, the number of credits awarded per class corresponded to the number of hours per week we were to meet.  So a 3-credit course would meet for three hours a week, for a 18-week semester, i.e. 54 hours.  

I would guess that the Southern Baptist Seminary means &quot;credits&quot;, not literal hours.

My criticism is mainly, why on earth would any sane person do this?  If you want to study textile design, major in that.  If you want to study nutrition, major in that.  If you don't plan on ever pursuing a career outside the home, don't go to college at all (or shit, go for something you really like and don't worry about the money aspect).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I had to spend hundreds of hours in class to get my major.</i></p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this was already answered above, but southern universities often use the term &#8220;hour&#8221; where northern ones use &#8220;credit&#8221;.  It&#8217;s usually not meant to translate directly to time spent in the classroom.  </p>
	<p>For instance, my college major had a total requirement of 24 credits in my major.  Since most courses offered in my school were worth 3 credits apiece, that meant that I had to take 8 different courses.</p>
	<p>Technically, the number of credits awarded per class corresponded to the number of hours per week we were to meet.  So a 3-credit course would meet for three hours a week, for a 18-week semester, i.e. 54 hours.  </p>
	<p>I would guess that the Southern Baptist Seminary means &#8220;credits&#8221;, not literal hours.</p>
	<p>My criticism is mainly, why on earth would any sane person do this?  If you want to study textile design, major in that.  If you want to study nutrition, major in that.  If you don&#8217;t plan on ever pursuing a career outside the home, don&#8217;t go to college at all (or shit, go for something you really like and don&#8217;t worry about the money aspect).
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		<title>by: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443492</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:49:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;You know, if they’d chunk up and pay housewives a salary equivalent to the value of their labor, I wouldn’t have a problem with this degree program. Somehow, I don’t see that happening, though.&lt;/i&gt;

Go and take a look at the stuff Marilyn Waring has written on the topic.  She's a brilliant person, both in print and in person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>You know, if they’d chunk up and pay housewives a salary equivalent to the value of their labor, I wouldn’t have a problem with this degree program. Somehow, I don’t see that happening, though.</i></p>
	<p>Go and take a look at the stuff Marilyn Waring has written on the topic.  She&#8217;s a brilliant person, both in print and in person.
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		<title>by: deep6</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443451</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:21:22 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>My mother got a B.S. in home ec and nutrition back in the early 70s.  Finished a 4-yr program in 3 yrs.  She actually had to take chemistry classes though, which as I've heard were killer.  And she also had to pass the same number of gen ed classes as every other student.  She went on to be a fantastic teacher, seamstress and yes, homemaker, when she could afford to stay home, in addition to working a number of other jobs and now has a master's degree in education.

This sort of degree *could* be done right.  Lots of women do want to stay home and take care of families as their only full-time job.  But seeing this program offered by a Baptist seminary.... ooh, icky.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My mother got a B.S. in home ec and nutrition back in the early 70s.  Finished a 4-yr program in 3 yrs.  She actually had to take chemistry classes though, which as I&#8217;ve heard were killer.  And she also had to pass the same number of gen ed classes as every other student.  She went on to be a fantastic teacher, seamstress and yes, homemaker, when she could afford to stay home, in addition to working a number of other jobs and now has a master&#8217;s degree in education.</p>
	<p>This sort of degree *could* be done right.  Lots of women do want to stay home and take care of families as their only full-time job.  But seeing this program offered by a Baptist seminary&#8230;. ooh, icky.
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		<title>by: Cowboy Diva</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/20/5930/#comment-443427</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:34:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>of course, now that I have rtfa, I see it says BA. sigh. Is this course then for those wives of the married seminarians who don't have to support their husbands during their religious studies?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>of course, now that I have rtfa, I see it says BA. sigh. Is this course then for those wives of the married seminarians who don&#8217;t have to support their husbands during their religious studies?
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