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	<title>Comments on: Arbitrary but Fun Sunday:  Special Songs that Have Great Openings but Don&#8217;t Go Anywhere Edition!</title>
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		<title>by: nightgigjo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:01:36 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>weboy with &quot;Sympathy for the Devil&quot;, FTW.

I had a couple of songs thought of before you mentioned that one.  I sang back-up for a &lt;acronym title=&quot;The aforementioned band, with which Mr. Scorsese seems infatuated, of course&quot;&gt;RS&lt;/acronym&gt; cover band for a short while, and that was the most BORING song to perform!  I used to actually find some enjoyment in it, but sing it every performance, even just for four or five gigs in a month, and it wears HARD on the nerves.

That and Midnight Rambler.  Sheesh.  Those first 16 bars or so are great, but only the first time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>weboy with &#8220;Sympathy for the Devil&#8221;, FTW.</p>
	<p>I had a couple of songs thought of before you mentioned that one.  I sang back-up for a <acronym title="The aforementioned band, with which Mr. Scorsese seems infatuated, of course">RS</acronym> cover band for a short while, and that was the most BORING song to perform!  I used to actually find some enjoyment in it, but sing it every performance, even just for four or five gigs in a month, and it wears HARD on the nerves.</p>
	<p>That and Midnight Rambler.  Sheesh.  Those first 16 bars or so are great, but only the first time.
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		<title>by: House of Mayhem</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:34:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Rush's &quot;Limelight&quot;--great opening, lame-ass song</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rush&#8217;s &#8220;Limelight&#8221;&#8211;great opening, lame-ass song
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		<title>by: jTuba</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:55 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>If this is a problem, then you really have to just toss out the entire Rolling Stones catalog.  And all of Elvis Presley, Phillip Glass, and basically all of Western music of the past 60 years that isn't serialist or (in many cases) jazz.  It's overwhelmingly (not exclusively, but overwhelmingly) beholden to &quot;the riff&quot; and ever-higher production quality, and speaks to the reality that pop culture is far more about marketing than actual culture (i.e. someone with the means to mass produce finds something simple and repetitive that they can churn out in huge quantities, and the rest of us think it's brilliant; as opposed to ideas getting passed around and refined by whole communities until it's actually well thought out and has some depth).  That's all really hippyish and oversimplified, but damn, folks, rock music is pretty frickn simple and repetitive and designed to hook you just long enough for you to buy...something (a record, a movie ticket, a t-shirt, etc.).  If that's a problem, there are other kinds of music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If this is a problem, then you really have to just toss out the entire Rolling Stones catalog.  And all of Elvis Presley, Phillip Glass, and basically all of Western music of the past 60 years that isn&#8217;t serialist or (in many cases) jazz.  It&#8217;s overwhelmingly (not exclusively, but overwhelmingly) beholden to &#8220;the riff&#8221; and ever-higher production quality, and speaks to the reality that pop culture is far more about marketing than actual culture (i.e. someone with the means to mass produce finds something simple and repetitive that they can churn out in huge quantities, and the rest of us think it&#8217;s brilliant; as opposed to ideas getting passed around and refined by whole communities until it&#8217;s actually well thought out and has some depth).  That&#8217;s all really hippyish and oversimplified, but damn, folks, rock music is pretty frickn simple and repetitive and designed to hook you just long enough for you to buy&#8230;something (a record, a movie ticket, a t-shirt, etc.).  If that&#8217;s a problem, there are other kinds of music.
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		<title>by: elena</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:41:16 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Bad Brains, &lt;i&gt;I love I Jah&lt;/i&gt; has a great opening, but then it just fizzles out. Maybe because the rest of that record is so ferocious that you expect them to do something innovative with this traditional sound, but they never do and it turns out to be a very middle-of-the-road reggae tune. Come to think of it, I don't know if &lt;i&gt;Big Takeover&lt;/i&gt; lives up to it's opening, either.

For an example of a great opening that does go somewhere, Toots &amp;amp; The Maytals' &lt;i&gt;54-46 Was My Number&lt;/i&gt; just goes from strength to strength. There's that awesome opening, and then the &quot;give it to me one time...&quot; part and then they go into the chorus and it's the greatest 1 &amp;amp; 1/2 minutes of ska ever and it never fizzles out...well, except that it does fade out, but that's ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bad Brains, <i>I love I Jah</i> has a great opening, but then it just fizzles out. Maybe because the rest of that record is so ferocious that you expect them to do something innovative with this traditional sound, but they never do and it turns out to be a very middle-of-the-road reggae tune. Come to think of it, I don&#8217;t know if <i>Big Takeover</i> lives up to it&#8217;s opening, either.</p>
	<p>For an example of a great opening that does go somewhere, Toots &amp; The Maytals&#8217; <i>54-46 Was My Number</i> just goes from strength to strength. There&#8217;s that awesome opening, and then the &#8220;give it to me one time&#8230;&#8221; part and then they go into the chorus and it&#8217;s the greatest 1 &amp; 1/2 minutes of ska ever and it never fizzles out&#8230;well, except that it does fade out, but that&#8217;s ok.
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		<title>by: NosmoKing</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:15:59 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The greatest gap between intro and song quality remains the Hollies' &quot;Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress&quot;-- the greatest guitar intro EVER, and then moronic sub-CCR wanna be swamp BILGE, utterly pointless and stupid. That intro still tears a hole into the fabric of spacetime though.

Trivia bit: what everybody thinks is &quot;that amazing intro to Gimme Shelter&quot; is listed on the original innersleeve as &quot;Hard Knocks and Durty Sox&quot;. Look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The greatest gap between intro and song quality remains the Hollies&#8217; &#8220;Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress&#8221;&#8211; the greatest guitar intro EVER, and then moronic sub-CCR wanna be swamp BILGE, utterly pointless and stupid. That intro still tears a hole into the fabric of spacetime though.</p>
	<p>Trivia bit: what everybody thinks is &#8220;that amazing intro to Gimme Shelter&#8221; is listed on the original innersleeve as &#8220;Hard Knocks and Durty Sox&#8221;. Look it up.
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		<title>by: Chris Clarke</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:34:33 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>What with Mick claiming to be a &quot;cold Italian pizza&quot; in the first verse, Monkey Man would qualify for this ABF if it opened with the first eight bars of &quot;Muskrat Love.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What with Mick claiming to be a &#8220;cold Italian pizza&#8221; in the first verse, Monkey Man would qualify for this ABF if it opened with the first eight bars of &#8220;Muskrat Love.&#8221;
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		<title>by: darms</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:36:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Guess I'm Fallin' In Love&quot; - Velvet Underground. One long lick played 3 times. And the live clip from the Bathouse? Maybe my favorite 3 minutes of VU...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Guess I&#8217;m Fallin&#8217; In Love&#8221; - Velvet Underground. One long lick played 3 times. And the live clip from the Bathouse? Maybe my favorite 3 minutes of VU&#8230;
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		<title>by: Tlazolteotl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:57:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I'll go even more obscure on ya.

Klaus Schulze, one of the members of Tangerine Dream, had a solo album called Mirage (1977) with two thirty-minutes &quot;songs&quot; on it.  Both of them were like this, but especially the piece on the second side, &lt;i&gt;Crystal Lake&lt;/i&gt;.  Still I like it for the same reasons I like gamelan.

If you have ever listened to Javanese gamelan music, you could say the same thing about it.  There is a style of gamelan where a phrase is played very slowly, then repeated ever faster until it all &quot;comes crashing down&quot; at the end.  Considering the other structural elements (where high-note gongs are hit two-or four times more often than medium gongs, all the way down the scale, so that the largest gongs are hit only every 64th note, for example), it actually makes for a hypnotic effect.

I hope I'm not too far off topic by not talking about &quot;pop&quot; songs, but really, there are almost too many of them that don't go anywhere to mention.  I wanted to point out, as someone did above, that sometimes the repetition does serve a purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ll go even more obscure on ya.</p>
	<p>Klaus Schulze, one of the members of Tangerine Dream, had a solo album called Mirage (1977) with two thirty-minutes &#8220;songs&#8221; on it.  Both of them were like this, but especially the piece on the second side, <i>Crystal Lake</i>.  Still I like it for the same reasons I like gamelan.</p>
	<p>If you have ever listened to Javanese gamelan music, you could say the same thing about it.  There is a style of gamelan where a phrase is played very slowly, then repeated ever faster until it all &#8220;comes crashing down&#8221; at the end.  Considering the other structural elements (where high-note gongs are hit two-or four times more often than medium gongs, all the way down the scale, so that the largest gongs are hit only every 64th note, for example), it actually makes for a hypnotic effect.</p>
	<p>I hope I&#8217;m not too far off topic by not talking about &#8220;pop&#8221; songs, but really, there are almost too many of them that don&#8217;t go anywhere to mention.  I wanted to point out, as someone did above, that sometimes the repetition does serve a purpose.
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		<title>by: ummeli</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:44:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I was going to respectfully disagree with Amanda regarding &quot;Kick Out the Jams,&quot; but I can sort of see her point.  It's not that the song is lame, it's just that the opening is positively transcendent - there's no way it can be overcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was going to respectfully disagree with Amanda regarding &#8220;Kick Out the Jams,&#8221; but I can sort of see her point.  It&#8217;s not that the song is lame, it&#8217;s just that the opening is positively transcendent - there&#8217;s no way it can be overcome.
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		<title>by: Michael Bérubé</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:35:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;How about John Cage’s 4′ 33″?&lt;/i&gt;

No middle eight -- it fits the pattern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>How about John Cage’s 4′ 33″?</i></p>
	<p>No middle eight &#8212; it fits the pattern.
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