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		<title>by: ummeli</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-443289</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:25:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Woo Hoo!  One for the U.C.C.

Or, as it is also known, &quot;Unitarians Considering Christ.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Woo Hoo!  One for the U.C.C.</p>
	<p>Or, as it is also known, &#8220;Unitarians Considering Christ.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Mark Foxwell</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-443080</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:41:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Pesto
August 18, 2007 at 4:08 pm 

That last blockquote seems to confirm a theory I’ve been mulling over about all the vicious homobigots who end up, y’know, being homosexual.

They view homosexuality as a vile sin. &lt;b&gt;But when they’re confronted with their own “sinful urges,” rather than questioning the belief that their orientation or desires are evil, they just revert to the view that everyone is a fallen sinner.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The core of dominator culture in a nutshell. We are nothing but whatever some Master or other whips into shape from our unruly and filthy clay. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Greta Christina
August 18, 2007 at 5:36 pm 

“Once you dip your toe into the pool of sin, especially sexual sin, there is a magnetism that will not let go.”

That really says it all, doesn’t it?

Let me put it this way: The straight guys I know who visit the Gay Pride parade do not describe it as having “a magnetism that will not let go.” 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, when I attended the Gay Pride Fair here in Santa Rosa a couple months ago, I definitely felt a &quot;magnetism&quot;--currents of some kind of energy anyway--that I did not want to &lt;em&gt;let&lt;/em&gt; go. I was mainly talking to and looking at women of course. But I loved the whole vibe, and argued in our Diversity Task Force and other such venues at the UU congregation that that's the kind of benefit implementing our congregational committment to &quot;diversity&quot; and being a &quot;welcoming congregation&quot; might bring us.

I spent a while talking to a Catholic gay guy, too.

At any rate I was glad our congregation tabled there and I volunteered to work at it. Got some cool buttons too.

I figure the churchy homobigots consider us UUs a bunch of hellbound lost causes anyway.

But the denomiation that really showed up in force at the Fair was actually the United Church of Christ, that has congregations in Petaluma, Sebastopol, and Guerneville (on the Russian River resorts that have become a largely GLBT community) and all these were there, each with larger tabling contingents than ours. And they're actual Christians. The best kind IMHO.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Pesto<br />
August 18, 2007 at 4:08 pm </p>
	<p>That last blockquote seems to confirm a theory I’ve been mulling over about all the vicious homobigots who end up, y’know, being homosexual.</p>
	<p>They view homosexuality as a vile sin. <b>But when they’re confronted with their own “sinful urges,” rather than questioning the belief that their orientation or desires are evil, they just revert to the view that everyone is a fallen sinner.</b>
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	<p>The core of dominator culture in a nutshell. We are nothing but whatever some Master or other whips into shape from our unruly and filthy clay. </p>
	<blockquote><p>Greta Christina<br />
August 18, 2007 at 5:36 pm </p>
	<p>“Once you dip your toe into the pool of sin, especially sexual sin, there is a magnetism that will not let go.”</p>
	<p>That really says it all, doesn’t it?</p>
	<p>Let me put it this way: The straight guys I know who visit the Gay Pride parade do not describe it as having “a magnetism that will not let go.”
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	<p>Oh, when I attended the Gay Pride Fair here in Santa Rosa a couple months ago, I definitely felt a &#8220;magnetism&#8221;&#8211;currents of some kind of energy anyway&#8211;that I did not want to <em>let</em> go. I was mainly talking to and looking at women of course. But I loved the whole vibe, and argued in our Diversity Task Force and other such venues at the UU congregation that that&#8217;s the kind of benefit implementing our congregational committment to &#8220;diversity&#8221; and being a &#8220;welcoming congregation&#8221; might bring us.</p>
	<p>I spent a while talking to a Catholic gay guy, too.</p>
	<p>At any rate I was glad our congregation tabled there and I volunteered to work at it. Got some cool buttons too.</p>
	<p>I figure the churchy homobigots consider us UUs a bunch of hellbound lost causes anyway.</p>
	<p>But the denomiation that really showed up in force at the Fair was actually the United Church of Christ, that has congregations in Petaluma, Sebastopol, and Guerneville (on the Russian River resorts that have become a largely GLBT community) and all these were there, each with larger tabling contingents than ours. And they&#8217;re actual Christians. The best kind IMHO.
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		<title>by: tpx</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-443001</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:01:55 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I have always thought taking protest to churches was a good idea. Harass the harassers. But I think going inside and disrupting services will create violent reactions. These religious bigots, besmirching the name of real patriots, would probably react with violence if someone came into their churches and did what they do.       </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have always thought taking protest to churches was a good idea. Harass the harassers. But I think going inside and disrupting services will create violent reactions. These religious bigots, besmirching the name of real patriots, would probably react with violence if someone came into their churches and did what they do.
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		<title>by: Stogoe</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-442974</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:16:56 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, that writing is abominable. Debauchery is fun.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just Remember, &quot;Everything in Moderation (Especially Moderation).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>No, that writing is abominable. Debauchery is fun.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Just Remember, &#8220;Everything in Moderation (Especially Moderation).&#8221;
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		<title>by: chryslin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-442957</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:18:51 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>My partner and I attended King Methodist Church this morning as a result of this article. We figured that if it's so inclusive that it's a target of the religious wackos, it's where we want to be. I liked it a lot. The pastor used &quot;creator&quot; instead of &quot;father&quot; in the prayer. There were tons of GLBT folk with lots of kids. I've been lazy about finding a church since moving to Columbus, but I'd love to tell those homobigot fuckwits that we came to Jebus as a result of their actions - just not quite the way they'd hoped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My partner and I attended King Methodist Church this morning as a result of this article. We figured that if it&#8217;s so inclusive that it&#8217;s a target of the religious wackos, it&#8217;s where we want to be. I liked it a lot. The pastor used &#8220;creator&#8221; instead of &#8220;father&#8221; in the prayer. There were tons of GLBT folk with lots of kids. I&#8217;ve been lazy about finding a church since moving to Columbus, but I&#8217;d love to tell those homobigot fuckwits that we came to Jebus as a result of their actions - just not quite the way they&#8217;d hoped.
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		<title>by: louise</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-442946</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:42:54 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Can I post too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Can I post too?
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		<title>by: Hysterical Woman</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-442896</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:51:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Oops, I mean relate to, not related to. That's a big difference there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oops, I mean relate to, not related to. That&#8217;s a big difference there.
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		<title>by: the opoponax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-442817</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:13:36 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>whew!  I can post again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>whew!  I can post again!
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		<title>by: the opoponax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-442816</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:13:09 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-442816</guid>
					<description>I don't quite get what the issue is, here?

Does the church not have ushers?

Are the gatecrashers armed, or pro wrestlers, or something?

I mean, any private property or place of business can decide that certain inviduals are persona non grata, and bar them entrance.  You don't HAVE to let people who are disrupting your service stay and continue to disrupt it.  

If someone who isn't wearing a shirt can be asked to leave a convenience store, surely the First Baptist Church should be able to boot these guys, and also keep an eye out for any return visitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t quite get what the issue is, here?</p>
	<p>Does the church not have ushers?</p>
	<p>Are the gatecrashers armed, or pro wrestlers, or something?</p>
	<p>I mean, any private property or place of business can decide that certain inviduals are persona non grata, and bar them entrance.  You don&#8217;t HAVE to let people who are disrupting your service stay and continue to disrupt it.  </p>
	<p>If someone who isn&#8217;t wearing a shirt can be asked to leave a convenience store, surely the First Baptist Church should be able to boot these guys, and also keep an eye out for any return visitors.
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		<title>by: Mister Nice Guy, Boggart of Fried Potatoes and Sausage</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/18/ohio-church-services-crashed-by-homobigots/#comment-442808</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:26:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm of two minds on this, being a Quaker.  Our folks did a certain amount of disruption in the early days (up to and including walking into a Puritan service stark naked, &quot;just as you stand naked before the Lord's judgment&quot;).

Perhaps it would be helpful for individual members of the assaulted congregation to step up to individual disruptors and try to engage them in conversation.  As individual sinners rather than Crusaders in force, they might be less arrogant and more teachable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m of two minds on this, being a Quaker.  Our folks did a certain amount of disruption in the early days (up to and including walking into a Puritan service stark naked, &#8220;just as you stand naked before the Lord&#8217;s judgment&#8221;).</p>
	<p>Perhaps it would be helpful for individual members of the assaulted congregation to step up to individual disruptors and try to engage them in conversation.  As individual sinners rather than Crusaders in force, they might be less arrogant and more teachable.
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