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		<title>by: StarWatcher</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-446320</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:46:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Lynx -- &lt;i&gt;incidentally, there’s no way to prove it, but i bet if so many female rape victims didn’t decline to prosecute and let the rapists walk free police departments would treat rape much more seriously.&lt;/i&gt; 

Right; the victim &quot;declines to prosecute&quot;.  You're conveniently overlooking the many-times documented police hassles, attempted shaming by society, a court system that far too often allows the accused rapist's defense attorney to shred her reputation to bits and try to shift the blame to her (clothing, drinking, etc), frequent threats by the accused rapist and/or his friends to get her to recant.  From all my reading, it's apparent that most rape victims don't &quot;decline to prosecute&quot; -- they're frightened out of / actively discouraged from prosecuting.  It takes a strong, STRONG woman to stand up against that, especially when she knows that, statistically, her chances of seeing her rapist convicted are about 5%.  In other words, your suggestion is merely another way of trying to shift the blame onto the victims, instead of laying it where it belongs -- on the crappy societal attitudes that are evident in police, lawyers, and juries.  

Read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/03/cov_10feature.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Why I Didn't Report My Rape&lt;/a&gt;.  And remember that we've seen (on a number of news reports and feminist blogs) that even &lt;b&gt;videotape&lt;/b&gt; of a rape frequently does not get the rapist convicted.  

But, of course, it's all the women's fault for &quot;declining to prosecute&quot;.  I wish there was a way to measure the depth of my disgust at that callous statement.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lynx &#8212; <i>incidentally, there’s no way to prove it, but i bet if so many female rape victims didn’t decline to prosecute and let the rapists walk free police departments would treat rape much more seriously.</i> </p>
	<p>Right; the victim &#8220;declines to prosecute&#8221;.  You&#8217;re conveniently overlooking the many-times documented police hassles, attempted shaming by society, a court system that far too often allows the accused rapist&#8217;s defense attorney to shred her reputation to bits and try to shift the blame to her (clothing, drinking, etc), frequent threats by the accused rapist and/or his friends to get her to recant.  From all my reading, it&#8217;s apparent that most rape victims don&#8217;t &#8220;decline to prosecute&#8221; &#8212; they&#8217;re frightened out of / actively discouraged from prosecuting.  It takes a strong, STRONG woman to stand up against that, especially when she knows that, statistically, her chances of seeing her rapist convicted are about 5%.  In other words, your suggestion is merely another way of trying to shift the blame onto the victims, instead of laying it where it belongs &#8212; on the crappy societal attitudes that are evident in police, lawyers, and juries.  </p>
	<p>Read <a href="http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/03/cov_10feature.html" rel="nofollow"> Why I Didn&#8217;t Report My Rape</a>.  And remember that we&#8217;ve seen (on a number of news reports and feminist blogs) that even <b>videotape</b> of a rape frequently does not get the rapist convicted.  </p>
	<p>But, of course, it&#8217;s all the women&#8217;s fault for &#8220;declining to prosecute&#8221;.  I wish there was a way to measure the depth of my disgust at that callous statement.
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		<title>by: Eden</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-445918</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:43:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-445918</guid>
					<description>I'm sure someone else has already brought this up, but I haven't had time to read the entire thread.  Stuart, you are absolutely 100% wrong when you state that half of all rape reports are true and half are false.  In fact, there is no greater rate of false victim reports of rape than of any other crime.  Please get that through your head.  Plus, many women who are raped don't even report it because they are ashamed and embarassed and because the system treats them like shit.  If you think that there is no &quot;stigma&quot; attached to being a female rape victim, then you haven't been paying attention.  Going through a rape case is HELL ON EARTH on the victim.  You are blamed for the assault, viewed with undeserved skepticism, and then you have to undergo the added humiliation and absolute horror of probably seeing your attacker go free.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m sure someone else has already brought this up, but I haven&#8217;t had time to read the entire thread.  Stuart, you are absolutely 100% wrong when you state that half of all rape reports are true and half are false.  In fact, there is no greater rate of false victim reports of rape than of any other crime.  Please get that through your head.  Plus, many women who are raped don&#8217;t even report it because they are ashamed and embarassed and because the system treats them like shit.  If you think that there is no &#8220;stigma&#8221; attached to being a female rape victim, then you haven&#8217;t been paying attention.  Going through a rape case is HELL ON EARTH on the victim.  You are blamed for the assault, viewed with undeserved skepticism, and then you have to undergo the added humiliation and absolute horror of probably seeing your attacker go free.
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		<title>by: nightgigjo</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-444940</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:17:51 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-444940</guid>
					<description>Helen, that argument is based on the assumption of preferential treatment for boys, and the property status of female children that the patriarchy enforces with, among other things, rape.

Besides the fact, the mother concerned for her traumatized child is hardly to blame for how the *authorities* respond to her.  If the police are indeed making that assumption, then they are treating the girl's rape as justifiable/suspect and the boy's rape as a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Helen, that argument is based on the assumption of preferential treatment for boys, and the property status of female children that the patriarchy enforces with, among other things, rape.</p>
	<p>Besides the fact, the mother concerned for her traumatized child is hardly to blame for how the *authorities* respond to her.  If the police are indeed making that assumption, then they are treating the girl&#8217;s rape as justifiable/suspect and the boy&#8217;s rape as a crime.
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		<title>by: Helen H</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-443913</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:40:21 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-443913</guid>
					<description>It's the mothers who made the complaint.  Perhaps the assumption is the mother of the girl is just upset at proof her daughter had sex and that the boy's mother is reporting something more likely to be an actual crime (still heavily biased, but based on perceived bias of the parents).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s the mothers who made the complaint.  Perhaps the assumption is the mother of the girl is just upset at proof her daughter had sex and that the boy&#8217;s mother is reporting something more likely to be an actual crime (still heavily biased, but based on perceived bias of the parents).
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		<title>by: defenestrated</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-443822</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:19:11 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-443822</guid>
					<description>&quot;I completely sympathize with those women who choose to drop charges at that point, since they have bigger fish to fry, namely taking care of themselves and their own road to recovery.&quot;

Good call.  On my ten millionth call to the police (after I was still receiving threatening texts from the guy who had confessed) I got a huge runaround of, &quot;Well, we've lost your case number - again; awfully sorry, but we've had ten rapes over the weekend...&quot; as though the two might not be related - ignore a confessed rapist and all his information and - surprise! - more rapes happen.

Imagine that.  

Funny how - in prosecution, in threads like this, and in everyday conversation on the topic - it's &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; the survivor's fault, either for pushing &lt;b&gt;too&lt;/b&gt; hard for prosecution (you know you're on that track when the heavy sighs from male officers start) or, as stated above, not hard enough. Or, just for being freaking alive after the fact. 

&lt;i&gt;Also&lt;/i&gt; for good measure, we survivors have been known to do that self-blamery thing to ourselves, too - just a thought.

And yet, it's &lt;a href=&quot;http://mutteringinacorner.blogspot.com/2007/08/legalizing-rape.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;never&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=631&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fault&lt;/a&gt; of the &lt;i&gt;rapist&lt;/i&gt; (male or female, for good measure), nor the lazy police officers who can't get their jobs straight.  Funny how that always seems works out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I completely sympathize with those women who choose to drop charges at that point, since they have bigger fish to fry, namely taking care of themselves and their own road to recovery.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Good call.  On my ten millionth call to the police (after I was still receiving threatening texts from the guy who had confessed) I got a huge runaround of, &#8220;Well, we&#8217;ve lost your case number - again; awfully sorry, but we&#8217;ve had ten rapes over the weekend&#8230;&#8221; as though the two might not be related - ignore a confessed rapist and all his information and - surprise! - more rapes happen.</p>
	<p>Imagine that.  </p>
	<p>Funny how - in prosecution, in threads like this, and in everyday conversation on the topic - it&#8217;s <i>always</i> the survivor&#8217;s fault, either for pushing <b>too</b> hard for prosecution (you know you&#8217;re on that track when the heavy sighs from male officers start) or, as stated above, not hard enough. Or, just for being freaking alive after the fact. </p>
	<p><i>Also</i> for good measure, we survivors have been known to do that self-blamery thing to ourselves, too - just a thought.</p>
	<p>And yet, it&#8217;s <a href="http://mutteringinacorner.blogspot.com/2007/08/legalizing-rape.html" rel="nofollow">never</a> the <a href="http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=631" rel="nofollow">fault</a> of the <i>rapist</i> (male or female, for good measure), nor the lazy police officers who can&#8217;t get their jobs straight.  Funny how that always seems works out.
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		<title>by: defenestrated</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-443821</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:18:51 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;I completely sympathize with those women who choose to drop charges at that point, since they have bigger fish to fry, namely taking care of themselves and their own road to recovery.&quot;

Good call.  On my ten millionth call to the police (after I was still receiving threatening texts from the guy who had confessed) I got a huge runaround of, &quot;Well, we've lost your case number - again; awfully sorry, but we've had ten rapes over the weekend...&quot; as though the two might not be related - ignore a confessed rapist and all his information and - surprise! - more rapes happen.

Imagine that.  

Funny how - in prosecution, in threads like this, and in everyday conversation on the topic - it's &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; the survivor's fault, either for pushing &lt;b&gt;too&lt;/b&gt; hard for prosecution (you know you're on that track when the heavy sighs from male officers start) or, as stated above, not hard enough. Or, just for being freaking alive after the fact. 

&lt;i&gt;Also&lt;/i&gt; for good measure, we survivors have been known to do that self-blamery thing to ourselves, too - just a thought.

And yet, it's &lt;a href=&quot;http://mutteringinacorner.blogspot.com/2007/08/legalizing-rape.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;never&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=631&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fault&lt;/a&gt; of the &lt;i&gt;rapist&lt;/i&gt; (male or female, for good measure), nor the lazy police officers who can't get their jobs straight.  Funny how that always seems works out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I completely sympathize with those women who choose to drop charges at that point, since they have bigger fish to fry, namely taking care of themselves and their own road to recovery.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Good call.  On my ten millionth call to the police (after I was still receiving threatening texts from the guy who had confessed) I got a huge runaround of, &#8220;Well, we&#8217;ve lost your case number - again; awfully sorry, but we&#8217;ve had ten rapes over the weekend&#8230;&#8221; as though the two might not be related - ignore a confessed rapist and all his information and - surprise! - more rapes happen.</p>
	<p>Imagine that.  </p>
	<p>Funny how - in prosecution, in threads like this, and in everyday conversation on the topic - it&#8217;s <i>always</i> the survivor&#8217;s fault, either for pushing <b>too</b> hard for prosecution (you know you&#8217;re on that track when the heavy sighs from male officers start) or, as stated above, not hard enough. Or, just for being freaking alive after the fact. </p>
	<p><i>Also</i> for good measure, we survivors have been known to do that self-blamery thing to ourselves, too - just a thought.</p>
	<p>And yet, it&#8217;s <a href="http://mutteringinacorner.blogspot.com/2007/08/legalizing-rape.html" rel="nofollow">never</a> the <a href="http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=631" rel="nofollow">fault</a> of the <i>rapist</i> (male or female, for good measure), nor the lazy police officers who can&#8217;t get their jobs straight.  Funny how that always seems works out.
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		<title>by: defenestrated</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-443820</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:17:57 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;I completely sympathize with those women who choose to drop charges at that point, since they have bigger fish to fry, namely taking care of themselves and their own road to recovery.&quot;

Good call.  On my ten millionth call to the police (after I was still receiving threatening texts from the guy who had confessed) I got a huge runaround of, &quot;Well, we've lost your case number - again; awfully sorry, but we've had ten rapes over the weekend...&quot; as though the two might not be related - ignore a confessed rapist and all his information and - surprise! - more rapes happen.

Imagine that.  

Funny how - in prosecution, in threads like this, and in everyday conversation on the topic - it's &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; the survivor's fault, either for pushing &lt;b&gt;too&lt;/b&gt; hard for prosecution (you know you're on that track when the heavy sighs from male officers start) or, as stated above, not hard enough. Or, just for being freaking alive after the fact. 

&lt;i&gt;Also&lt;/i&gt; for good measure, we survivors have been known to do that self-blamery thing to ourselves, too - just a thought.

And yet, it's &lt;a href=&quot;http://mutteringinacorner.blogspot.com/2007/08/legalizing-rape.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;never&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=631&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fault&lt;/a&gt; of the &lt;i&gt;rapist&lt;/i&gt; (male or female, for good measure), nor the lazy police officers who can't get their jobs straight.  Funny how that always seems works out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I completely sympathize with those women who choose to drop charges at that point, since they have bigger fish to fry, namely taking care of themselves and their own road to recovery.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Good call.  On my ten millionth call to the police (after I was still receiving threatening texts from the guy who had confessed) I got a huge runaround of, &#8220;Well, we&#8217;ve lost your case number - again; awfully sorry, but we&#8217;ve had ten rapes over the weekend&#8230;&#8221; as though the two might not be related - ignore a confessed rapist and all his information and - surprise! - more rapes happen.</p>
	<p>Imagine that.  </p>
	<p>Funny how - in prosecution, in threads like this, and in everyday conversation on the topic - it&#8217;s <i>always</i> the survivor&#8217;s fault, either for pushing <b>too</b> hard for prosecution (you know you&#8217;re on that track when the heavy sighs from male officers start) or, as stated above, not hard enough. Or, just for being freaking alive after the fact. </p>
	<p><i>Also</i> for good measure, we survivors have been known to do that self-blamery thing to ourselves, too - just a thought.</p>
	<p>And yet, it&#8217;s <a href="http://mutteringinacorner.blogspot.com/2007/08/legalizing-rape.html" rel="nofollow">never</a> the <a href="http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=631" rel="nofollow">fault</a> of the <i>rapist</i> (male or female, for good measure), nor the lazy police officers who can&#8217;t get their jobs straight.  Funny how that always seems works out.
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		<title>by: Sorted</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-443183</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:28:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>the 2002 British Crime Survey found that 47,000 women had experienced actual or attempted rape in the previous year.  

In 2002/2003, there were 11,441 reported rapes of females, resulting in just 686 convictions. 

This means that, essentially, a rapist in Britain can be nearly 99% certain that he will never be convicted of his crime. 

It also shows that around 35,000 rapes go unreported every year, and a total of more than 46,000 go unpunished. 

Which is more of a concern: more than 46,000 unpunished rapes per year, or a few false allegations of rape which, on this evidence are extremely unlikely to result in a conviction anyway?

Seems like a no-brainer to me......

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>the 2002 British Crime Survey found that 47,000 women had experienced actual or attempted rape in the previous year.  </p>
	<p>In 2002/2003, there were 11,441 reported rapes of females, resulting in just 686 convictions. </p>
	<p>This means that, essentially, a rapist in Britain can be nearly 99% certain that he will never be convicted of his crime. </p>
	<p>It also shows that around 35,000 rapes go unreported every year, and a total of more than 46,000 go unpunished. </p>
	<p>Which is more of a concern: more than 46,000 unpunished rapes per year, or a few false allegations of rape which, on this evidence are extremely unlikely to result in a conviction anyway?</p>
	<p>Seems like a no-brainer to me&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>by: JackGoff, Droll Jester of Tomatoey Goodness</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-442779</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:46:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I think the origin of the idea that rape is more likely to be falsely reported than other crimes has a lot to do with the victim’s realization after the initial report that she’ll be subjected to an invasive and dehumanizing trial process.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly.  As well as wankstains who think the phrase &quot;Duke Rape Case&quot; negates the existence of rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I think the origin of the idea that rape is more likely to be falsely reported than other crimes has a lot to do with the victim’s realization after the initial report that she’ll be subjected to an invasive and dehumanizing trial process.</i></p>
	<p>Exactly.  As well as wankstains who think the phrase &#8220;Duke Rape Case&#8221; negates the existence of rape.
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		<title>by: togolosh</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/the-crime-victim-double-standard/#comment-442765</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:32:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I think the origin of the idea that rape is more likely to be falsely reported than other crimes has a lot to do with the victim's realization after the initial report that she'll be subjected to an invasive and dehumanizing trial process.  I completely sympathize with those women who choose to drop charges at that point, since they have bigger fish to fry, namely taking care of themselves and their own road to recovery.  The police notes above makes it pretty clear that the process of revictimization starts pretty damn early in the process.  I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if someone subjected to the interrogation hinted at in the notes decided to put her own recovery above punishing the rapist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think the origin of the idea that rape is more likely to be falsely reported than other crimes has a lot to do with the victim&#8217;s realization after the initial report that she&#8217;ll be subjected to an invasive and dehumanizing trial process.  I completely sympathize with those women who choose to drop charges at that point, since they have bigger fish to fry, namely taking care of themselves and their own road to recovery.  The police notes above makes it pretty clear that the process of revictimization starts pretty damn early in the process.  I wouldn&#8217;t be in the least bit surprised if someone subjected to the interrogation hinted at in the notes decided to put her own recovery above punishing the rapist.
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