Comments on: For some reason, the city council has the word “MC” next on its ban list http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:09:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: SarahMC http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440702 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:07:36 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440702 Nevermind, indeed. Nevermind, indeed.

]]> by: Ape Man http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440648 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:51:54 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440648 You see, it's ironic... When I... Never mind. APS You see, it’s ironic… When I…

Never mind.

APS

]]> by: bernarda http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440643 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:40:51 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440643 sarah, "And if you get pissed off at someone, why use another group’s maligned status (actual queers, dykes) to insult that person?" "Maligned status"? You are a live one sarah. Where did I ever say that such descriptions were to malign someone? That is all your images. I suppose that you have never called some jerk a "macho". That is not in your vocabulary, is it? You have never said to your girlfriends that some guy is a "prick", not even Bush or Cheney(a dick in his case). And oh yeah, and like you or I are going to say to some family, "how is your mentally-challenged child"? Futhermore, I don't think I have ever called a "normal" person a "retard" except for liberetardians. sarah, “And if you get pissed off at someone, why use another group’s maligned status (actual queers, dykes) to insult that person?”

“Maligned status”? You are a live one sarah. Where did I ever say that such descriptions were to malign someone?

That is all your images. I suppose that you have never called some jerk a “macho”. That is not in your vocabulary, is it? You have never said to your girlfriends that some guy is a “prick”, not even Bush or Cheney(a dick in his case).

And oh yeah, and like you or I are going to say to some family, “how is your mentally-challenged child”?

Futhermore, I don’t think I have ever called a “normal” person a “retard” except for liberetardians.

]]> by: SarahMC http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440638 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:16:35 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440638 "If someone is a retard, how can they think that it is offensive unless some PC person tells them that it is?" The word "retard" isn't just directed AT retarded people. Would you ask a retarded person's mother how her little "retard" is doing? Calling a "normal" person a "retard" is just as insulting to retarded people as you intend it to be to whomever you're insulting. "As to “dyke” or “queer”, it seems that according to you no insults at all are permissible. That might be alright in a perfect world, but everyone gets pissed off at some time or another." And if you get pissed off at someone, why use another group's maligned status (actual queers, dykes) to insult that person? "As I said ape man, some vocabulary reveals more about the commenter than the subject." Kinda like when someone uses words like "retard," "gay," or "woman" as insults. “If someone is a retard, how can they think that it is offensive unless some PC person tells them that it is?”

The word “retard” isn’t just directed AT retarded people. Would you ask a retarded person’s mother how her little “retard” is doing? Calling a “normal” person a “retard” is just as insulting to retarded people as you intend it to be to whomever you’re insulting.

“As to “dyke” or “queer”, it seems that according to you no insults at all are permissible. That might be alright in a perfect world, but everyone gets pissed off at some time or another.”

And if you get pissed off at someone, why use another group’s maligned status (actual queers, dykes) to insult that person?

“As I said ape man, some vocabulary reveals more about the commenter than the subject.”

Kinda like when someone uses words like “retard,” “gay,” or “woman” as insults.

]]> by: bernarda http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440540 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:24:58 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440540 As I said ape man, some vocabulary reveals more about the commenter than the subject. Thank you for sharing though. As I said ape man, some vocabulary reveals more about the commenter than the subject. Thank you for sharing though.

]]> by: Ape Man http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440385 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:38:01 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440385 bernarda sure is one dumb motherfucker. Ah, clarity. APS bernarda sure is one dumb motherfucker.

Ah, clarity.

APS

]]> by: bernarda http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440373 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:17:52 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440373 If someone is a retard, how can they think that it is offensive unless some PC person tells them that it is? "Marginalizing them further", Oh my zeus! Further than what? PC gone madder than I could imagine. As to "dyke" or "queer", it seems that according to you no insults at all are permissible. That might be alright in a perfect world, but everyone gets pissed off at some time or another. Maybe we shouldn't use "macho" as an insult for men, even if they deserve it. We might hurt their feelings. If someone is a retard, how can they think that it is offensive unless some PC person tells them that it is?

“Marginalizing them further”, Oh my zeus! Further than what? PC gone madder than I could imagine.

As to “dyke” or “queer”, it seems that according to you no insults at all are permissible. That might be alright in a perfect world, but everyone gets pissed off at some time or another.

Maybe we shouldn’t use “macho” as an insult for men, even if they deserve it. We might hurt their feelings.

]]> by: SarahMC http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440209 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:04:24 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440209 If the mentally retarded don't appreciate being called "retards," why is it OK to continue doing so? And calling a stupid person a "retard" is offensive to the mentally retarded. It's just marginalizing them further. People can decide for themselves what they'd like to be called. What is the point of using derogatory names to describe people? "Queer" is an accepted term in the gay community AFAIK. But calling someone a "queer" as an insult is not OK. How do you not get that? Calling women "dykes" in order to insult them is not OK. Put yourself in other people's shoes. If the mentally retarded don’t appreciate being called “retards,” why is it OK to continue doing so?
And calling a stupid person a “retard” is offensive to the mentally retarded. It’s just marginalizing them further.
People can decide for themselves what they’d like to be called. What is the point of using derogatory names to describe people? “Queer” is an accepted term in the gay community AFAIK. But calling someone a “queer” as an insult is not OK. How do you not get that? Calling women “dykes” in order to insult them is not OK. Put yourself in other people’s shoes.

]]> by: bernarda http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440183 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:13:03 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440183 PS. Here is a little video that plays on words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOIjzQ1V8 By the Asylum Street Spankers. PS. Here is a little video that plays on words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOIjzQ1V8

By the Asylum Street Spankers.

]]> by: bernarda http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440181 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:03:56 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/for-some-reason-the-city-council-has-the-word-mc-next-on-its-ban-list/#comment-440181 "mentally challenged". That is exactly the type of PC BS that I had in mind. What is wrong with "retards"? That is a more accurate description. It is what we used to say when I was a kid. Before that they were called "morons". And so? Such an expression reminds me of an article I once read where Wonder Bread was described as "nutritionally challenged", in jest. What is wrong with saying "crippled" instead of "handicapped" or "disabled" or (horror)"mobility challenged"? A word like "cunt" can be a term of endearment in Ireland, the UK, and Australia. Look it up at Wiki. It is used in papers like the Village Voice. http://www.villagevoice.com/gallery/0728,28choice,77165,30.html Notice that the Voice also uses "queers". What is wrong with "queen" or "queer" for an effeminate man or "dyke" or "butch" for a masculine woman? Everyone immediately knows what is meant. There was also a famous incident a few years ago where then French Prime Minister Jacques Chirac described Margaret Thatcher as a "ball-breaker". That has the advantage of clarity. As for myself, I rarely use such terms. Occasionally for emphasis or to make a point quickly. But there is the danger of over-use, which then reflects more on the speaker than on the subject. “mentally challenged”. That is exactly the type of PC BS that I had in mind. What is wrong with “retards”? That is a more accurate description. It is what we used to say when I was a kid. Before that they were called “morons”. And so?

Such an expression reminds me of an article I once read where Wonder Bread was described as “nutritionally challenged”, in jest.

What is wrong with saying “crippled” instead of “handicapped” or “disabled” or (horror)”mobility challenged”?

A word like “cunt” can be a term of endearment in Ireland, the UK, and Australia. Look it up at Wiki. It is used in papers like the Village Voice.

http://www.villagevoice.com/gallery/0728,28choice,77165,30.html

Notice that the Voice also uses “queers”.

What is wrong with “queen” or “queer” for an effeminate man or “dyke” or “butch” for a masculine woman? Everyone immediately knows what is meant.

There was also a famous incident a few years ago where then French Prime Minister Jacques Chirac described Margaret Thatcher as a “ball-breaker”. That has the advantage of clarity.

As for myself, I rarely use such terms. Occasionally for emphasis or to make a point quickly. But there is the danger of over-use, which then reflects more on the speaker than on the subject.

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