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	<title>Comments on: Busted Florida Republican state rep&#8217;s &#8220;black gay panic&#8221; defense on soliciting charge</title>
	<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/</link>
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		<title>by: Profeministmale</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-441213</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:11:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>By the way, at his Web-site, I find it funny that his &quot;favorite activity&quot; as listed as &quot;watersports.&quot; I am sure it doesn't involve a jetski or being in the water at all. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>By the way, at his Web-site, I find it funny that his &#8220;favorite activity&#8221; as listed as &#8220;watersports.&#8221; I am sure it doesn&#8217;t involve a jetski or being in the water at all. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Lynn Gazis-Sax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-440374</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:18:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;em&gt;Why are we focusing on the fact that this guy is a hypocrite?&lt;/em&gt;

To tell the truth, I don't deeply care about the fact that he's a hypocrite; I care about the fact that he's a racist.

&lt;em&gt;I am against us not questioning WHY there were police officers in the public bathrooms cracking down on gay men offering each other blowjobs.&lt;/em&gt;

In this case, they started out staking out a burglary in a neighboring house, and saw a target of opportunity when the guy started cruising the public bathroom.

Which doesn't settle the question of how the law should actually handle soliciting in public bathrooms.  As a woman who objects to being solicited by strangers in public places, I have to grant men the same right to find sexual soliciting by strangers in public places scary (as long as they keep their objections to how a reasonable woman would react, and don't do the violent gay panic thing at the least possibility that another man might ever be attracted to them).  And I know I'd rather the spots where women are presumed to be possibly open to sexual solicitation be ones that I have to go to when doing my normal business, so it's fair for men not to want to accidentally run the risk of being solicited when they're just trying to pee.

On the other hand, in practice it seems that it's legally OK to harrass me in the street, but legally much worse to sexually approach other men in the tea room, and I don't really see that as fair.  I'd be happier if people simply risked getting fined for unwelcome sexual advances to strangers regardless of the sexes involved.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Why are we focusing on the fact that this guy is a hypocrite?</em></p>
	<p>To tell the truth, I don&#8217;t deeply care about the fact that he&#8217;s a hypocrite; I care about the fact that he&#8217;s a racist.</p>
	<p><em>I am against us not questioning WHY there were police officers in the public bathrooms cracking down on gay men offering each other blowjobs.</em></p>
	<p>In this case, they started out staking out a burglary in a neighboring house, and saw a target of opportunity when the guy started cruising the public bathroom.</p>
	<p>Which doesn&#8217;t settle the question of how the law should actually handle soliciting in public bathrooms.  As a woman who objects to being solicited by strangers in public places, I have to grant men the same right to find sexual soliciting by strangers in public places scary (as long as they keep their objections to how a reasonable woman would react, and don&#8217;t do the violent gay panic thing at the least possibility that another man might ever be attracted to them).  And I know I&#8217;d rather the spots where women are presumed to be possibly open to sexual solicitation be ones that I have to go to when doing my normal business, so it&#8217;s fair for men not to want to accidentally run the risk of being solicited when they&#8217;re just trying to pee.</p>
	<p>On the other hand, in practice it seems that it&#8217;s legally OK to harrass me in the street, but legally much worse to sexually approach other men in the tea room, and I don&#8217;t really see that as fair.  I&#8217;d be happier if people simply risked getting fined for unwelcome sexual advances to strangers regardless of the sexes involved.
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		<title>by: Profeministmale</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-440296</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:33:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Allow me to make the unpopular stand here. Why are we focusing on the fact that this guy is a hypocrite? Whether a decent human being or not (I think he's a piece of shit), he has every right to ask for a blowjob if he wants to, without police officers spending time in bathrooms arresting him for it.

The point is this: this wouldn't have ever happened if there weren't the intentional and deliberate crackdown on gay men. I am not against calling him a hypocrite, I am against us not questioning WHY there were police officers in the public bathrooms cracking down on gay men offering each other blowjobs.

This for me, as an ally of the LGBT community, is just another step in criminalizing homosexual conducts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Allow me to make the unpopular stand here. Why are we focusing on the fact that this guy is a hypocrite? Whether a decent human being or not (I think he&#8217;s a piece of shit), he has every right to ask for a blowjob if he wants to, without police officers spending time in bathrooms arresting him for it.</p>
	<p>The point is this: this wouldn&#8217;t have ever happened if there weren&#8217;t the intentional and deliberate crackdown on gay men. I am not against calling him a hypocrite, I am against us not questioning WHY there were police officers in the public bathrooms cracking down on gay men offering each other blowjobs.</p>
	<p>This for me, as an ally of the LGBT community, is just another step in criminalizing homosexual conducts.
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		<title>by: c</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-439979</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:23:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>a. You want to stop public sex, fine, but that's not what the guy's being charged with.  In fact he showed some concern for the publicness of it according to the report.

b. Re soliciting, there's a whole tearoom etiquette.  If you're just going about your business it's highly unlikely you'll be solicited.  If you hang out, make extended eye contact with strangers and chat, yeah, someone may suggest sex.  (And if godferbid anyone ever does suggest sex in the bathroom that you don't want, say no and that'll be the end of it.)

c. Re paying, I won't, but if other people want to, it really seems pretty low on the scale of the bad things that go on in the world.

What worries me is the easy we-can-all-agree-this-is-icky tone about the post, and much of the thread.  It becomes easier because the guy's a Republican with politics we don't like.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>a. You want to stop public sex, fine, but that&#8217;s not what the guy&#8217;s being charged with.  In fact he showed some concern for the publicness of it according to the report.</p>
	<p>b. Re soliciting, there&#8217;s a whole tearoom etiquette.  If you&#8217;re just going about your business it&#8217;s highly unlikely you&#8217;ll be solicited.  If you hang out, make extended eye contact with strangers and chat, yeah, someone may suggest sex.  (And if godferbid anyone ever does suggest sex in the bathroom that you don&#8217;t want, say no and that&#8217;ll be the end of it.)</p>
	<p>c. Re paying, I won&#8217;t, but if other people want to, it really seems pretty low on the scale of the bad things that go on in the world.</p>
	<p>What worries me is the easy we-can-all-agree-this-is-icky tone about the post, and much of the thread.  It becomes easier because the guy&#8217;s a Republican with politics we don&#8217;t like.
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		<title>by: Petey Wheatstraw</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-439800</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:09:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Know how I know you're gay?&quot;
&quot;How?&quot;
&quot;You got arrested trying to solicit blowjobs in a public restroom.  From men.&quot;
&quot;That's gay?!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Know how I know you&#8217;re gay?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;How?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;You got arrested trying to solicit blowjobs in a public restroom.  From men.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;That&#8217;s gay?!&#8221;
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		<title>by: Lynn Gazis-Sax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-439769</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:08:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Odd.  I'm pretty sure, as a not very big woman, that I'm much smaller in relation to big stocky black men than this guy is, but somehow I've managed to encounter my share of areas full of black men, without ever being so terrified as to offer to blow random black men that I'm not attracted to.  Let alone offer to pay them money to blow them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Odd.  I&#8217;m pretty sure, as a not very big woman, that I&#8217;m much smaller in relation to big stocky black men than this guy is, but somehow I&#8217;ve managed to encounter my share of areas full of black men, without ever being so terrified as to offer to blow random black men that I&#8217;m not attracted to.  Let alone offer to pay them money to blow them.
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		<title>by: annejumps</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-439746</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:04:31 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh man, The Daily Show is really having fun with this right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh man, The Daily Show is really having fun with this right now.
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		<title>by: Ms Kate, Goddess of Tomato Cultivation</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-439704</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:06:11 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Perhaps this whole situation is the very reason why the fundies in florida, one idiot mayor in particular, want extremely expensive automatic bathrooms.

If they whine and bray about gay sex in front of children, then the police will certainly do something about it - like, you know, frequent the local gloryholes and set up a sting.

When they do, the will inevitably net some highly glorified down lowlife who will then bring shame on the right wing hypocrit convention.

how much will you bet that Mr. Civic Official targeted black lovers for his extracurricular amusement so he could pull this &quot;I was soooo scared&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Perhaps this whole situation is the very reason why the fundies in florida, one idiot mayor in particular, want extremely expensive automatic bathrooms.</p>
	<p>If they whine and bray about gay sex in front of children, then the police will certainly do something about it - like, you know, frequent the local gloryholes and set up a sting.</p>
	<p>When they do, the will inevitably net some highly glorified down lowlife who will then bring shame on the right wing hypocrit convention.</p>
	<p>how much will you bet that Mr. Civic Official targeted black lovers for his extracurricular amusement so he could pull this &#8220;I was soooo scared&#8221;?
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		<title>by: Mercurial Georgia</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-439698</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:43:40 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The Advocate;
August 07, 2007
Florida representative Allen: Fear made me offer sex 
http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid47894.asp

&quot;Titusville police told the Sentinel that they were investigating a nearby condo burglary when they saw a disheveled, unshaved man enter and leave the park restroom three times. They decided to send in Officer Danny Kavanaugh.&quot;'

Now that I know the people who arrested him and triggered this lulz weren't trolling to arrest gays, I can go back to enjoying my schadenfeude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Advocate;<br />
August 07, 2007<br />
Florida representative Allen: Fear made me offer sex<br />
<a href='http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid47894.asp' rel='nofollow'>http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid47894.asp</a></p>
	<p>&#8220;Titusville police told the Sentinel that they were investigating a nearby condo burglary when they saw a disheveled, unshaved man enter and leave the park restroom three times. They decided to send in Officer Danny Kavanaugh.&#8221;&#8216;</p>
	<p>Now that I know the people who arrested him and triggered this lulz weren&#8217;t trolling to arrest gays, I can go back to enjoying my schadenfeude.
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		<title>by: Mercurial Georgia</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/07/busted-florida-republican-state-reps-black-gay-panic-defense-on-soliciting-charge/#comment-439683</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:49:06 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Now ain't this just timely.

I just learned in the Harry Potter race wank threads; http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1098854.html, that there are apparently racist sexist white men, into seeing white women 'degraded' by having sexual relations with black men.  Now I wonder how many of those 'Oh fear teh miscegenation!' men are just jealous they weren't getting their share of teh cock?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Now ain&#8217;t this just timely.</p>
	<p>I just learned in the Harry Potter race wank threads; <a href='http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1098854.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1098854.html</a>, that there are apparently racist sexist white men, into seeing white women &#8216;degraded&#8217; by having sexual relations with black men.  Now I wonder how many of those &#8216;Oh fear teh miscegenation!&#8217; men are just jealous they weren&#8217;t getting their share of teh cock?
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