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		<title>by: celeste</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/02/we-love-protecting-the-womenfolk-as-long-as-they-arent-mexicans/#comment-481743</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Go read the dirt on Carroll county and it ilegal immigration.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=celestebonds


http://carrollcountyburrocrap.bravehost.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Go read the dirt on Carroll county and it ilegal immigration.<br />
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=celestebonds' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=celestebonds</a></p>
	<p><a href='http://carrollcountyburrocrap.bravehost.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://carrollcountyburrocrap.bravehost.com/</a>
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		<title>by: W. Kiernan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:43:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, the update indicates that the likeliest reason the Alabama cops treated her like shit is because as usual they were on the side of their fellow cops against ordinary citizens.  They're not fellow citizens any more, they're heavily-armed alien occupation troops, loyal only to each other.  These days a cop will stand there and let another cop murder you right before his eyes, and not only will he not raise a finger, he'll lie to any later investigators, and likely as not offer to help dispose of your corpse as well.

&quot;To protect and serve&quot; &lt;i&gt;themselves.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, the update indicates that the likeliest reason the Alabama cops treated her like shit is because as usual they were on the side of their fellow cops against ordinary citizens.  They&#8217;re not fellow citizens any more, they&#8217;re heavily-armed alien occupation troops, loyal only to each other.  These days a cop will stand there and let another cop murder you right before his eyes, and not only will he not raise a finger, he&#8217;ll lie to any later investigators, and likely as not offer to help dispose of your corpse as well.</p>
	<p>&#8220;To protect and serve&#8221; <i>themselves.</i>
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		<title>by: Nomen Nescio</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/02/we-love-protecting-the-womenfolk-as-long-as-they-arent-mexicans/#comment-439167</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:10:59 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Clytemnestra, your niece's (well documented, it'll have to be) college attendance and other ties to her home country &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be enough evidence that she's not planning to skip and overstay the visa. yes, what they're saying is exactly that they think she might skip and stay here. what she wants to do is convince them she has enough of a life to go back to that she won't stay, and that &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; do it... but when dealing with U.S. immigration, the difference between theory and practice gets famously large.

&quot;means of support&quot; for a temporary visit could include affidavits from whoever she'll be staying with that they have incomes and/or property enough to house and feed her while she's visiting. (my mother-in-law signed such for me when i filed for my green card and work permit. they should be expired by now, finally... she had to put a ten-year time limit on her affidavits, because i was immigrating.) if your niece is staying in hotels, then proving she holds enough cash to pay for them should do it. return tickets, if arriving by air, are good too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Clytemnestra, your niece&#8217;s (well documented, it&#8217;ll have to be) college attendance and other ties to her home country <i>should</i> be enough evidence that she&#8217;s not planning to skip and overstay the visa. yes, what they&#8217;re saying is exactly that they think she might skip and stay here. what she wants to do is convince them she has enough of a life to go back to that she won&#8217;t stay, and that <i>should</i> do it&#8230; but when dealing with U.S. immigration, the difference between theory and practice gets famously large.</p>
	<p>&#8220;means of support&#8221; for a temporary visit could include affidavits from whoever she&#8217;ll be staying with that they have incomes and/or property enough to house and feed her while she&#8217;s visiting. (my mother-in-law signed such for me when i filed for my green card and work permit. they should be expired by now, finally&#8230; she had to put a ten-year time limit on her affidavits, because i was immigrating.) if your niece is staying in hotels, then proving she holds enough cash to pay for them should do it. return tickets, if arriving by air, are good too.
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		<title>by: Bob In Pacifica</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/02/we-love-protecting-the-womenfolk-as-long-as-they-arent-mexicans/#comment-438758</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:18:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Petey Wheatstraw makes the excellent point that beyond this woman's particular suffering this is a design of the economic system in which we live: it has always been to keep low wage workers devalued and their status threatened. That was was slavery was all about. 

When Al Gore debated Ross Perot over NAFTA and Perot gave his famous line about that sucking sound being American jobs disappearing he was half-right. Manufacturing jobs have disappeared overseas. But the trade deals have destroyed the small Mexican farm by undercutting the price of corn. The oligarchy of Mexico is protected by siphoning off a potential source of social unrest, the undocumented workforce coming into America further weakens the American working class. Both ruling classes win!

As an aside, from my personal experience as a labor organizer in San Francisco (admittedly not the same as the Deep South) most whites (as were most of any ethnic or racial background) were quite agreeable to being unionized and readily recognized their lot as the same as other workers. There were always a few immigrants who thought they could do better by cutting their own deals, but it had more to do with their individual class presumptions from their former status in the old country. In the eighties there was some hesitation from people who had come from a country (like Central America) where union-organizing was a capital offense, but mostly people understood how unions could protect them on the work floor and in contract negotiations. 

The sixty-year war against organized labor in this country, of which trade law is a major part, destroys both the working class here and the working class in foreign countries. When we end up debating just the execrable treatment of a woman who is here &quot;illegally&quot; we have avoided all the history that has put the woman in the position we now find her. Instead of seeking to blame southern whites for feeling their value as workers is being reduced (why is supply and demand so hard for some to understand?) better to understand and attack the real problem. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Petey Wheatstraw makes the excellent point that beyond this woman&#8217;s particular suffering this is a design of the economic system in which we live: it has always been to keep low wage workers devalued and their status threatened. That was was slavery was all about. </p>
	<p>When Al Gore debated Ross Perot over NAFTA and Perot gave his famous line about that sucking sound being American jobs disappearing he was half-right. Manufacturing jobs have disappeared overseas. But the trade deals have destroyed the small Mexican farm by undercutting the price of corn. The oligarchy of Mexico is protected by siphoning off a potential source of social unrest, the undocumented workforce coming into America further weakens the American working class. Both ruling classes win!</p>
	<p>As an aside, from my personal experience as a labor organizer in San Francisco (admittedly not the same as the Deep South) most whites (as were most of any ethnic or racial background) were quite agreeable to being unionized and readily recognized their lot as the same as other workers. There were always a few immigrants who thought they could do better by cutting their own deals, but it had more to do with their individual class presumptions from their former status in the old country. In the eighties there was some hesitation from people who had come from a country (like Central America) where union-organizing was a capital offense, but mostly people understood how unions could protect them on the work floor and in contract negotiations. </p>
	<p>The sixty-year war against organized labor in this country, of which trade law is a major part, destroys both the working class here and the working class in foreign countries. When we end up debating just the execrable treatment of a woman who is here &#8220;illegally&#8221; we have avoided all the history that has put the woman in the position we now find her. Instead of seeking to blame southern whites for feeling their value as workers is being reduced (why is supply and demand so hard for some to understand?) better to understand and attack the real problem.
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		<title>by: clytemnestra, spamulator infuriator contributator</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:02:00 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey my niece couldn't get a visa to come to a wedding in San Diego next month.  The reason:  She didn't have a means of supporting herself.

Wha?

She wasn't staying, she is just visiting for 1 month.

But I thought ICE wanted aliens to vist and then go home.  Are they saying that they think she'll skip?

She's 21, in college and living at home. She has a life back home -  And she's devestated.

Almost everyone else got visas but her.  My BILs passport hasn't come back yet.  But even if he does get a visa he is not going to use it and stay with my niece as a supportive move. He is requesting his passport back so he can get visas to go &quot;some where else&quot; - so she get's to do something special. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey my niece couldn&#8217;t get a visa to come to a wedding in San Diego next month.  The reason:  She didn&#8217;t have a means of supporting herself.</p>
	<p>Wha?</p>
	<p>She wasn&#8217;t staying, she is just visiting for 1 month.</p>
	<p>But I thought ICE wanted aliens to vist and then go home.  Are they saying that they think she&#8217;ll skip?</p>
	<p>She&#8217;s 21, in college and living at home. She has a life back home -  And she&#8217;s devestated.</p>
	<p>Almost everyone else got visas but her.  My BILs passport hasn&#8217;t come back yet.  But even if he does get a visa he is not going to use it and stay with my niece as a supportive move. He is requesting his passport back so he can get visas to go &#8220;some where else&#8221; - so she get&#8217;s to do something special.
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		<title>by: clytemnestra, spamulator infuriator contributator</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 08:50:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Now if she were undocumented and from say Portugal, they wouldn't be yelling about her status, it would be the beating she took from her roomate while pregnant and her exhusband who didn't get status taken care of.

They only care if your white . . . how many other girls have disappeared since Holloway but have received no little to no coverage and are non-white? Yelling about being undocumented is only a cover . . . 

Is there anything pending on the ex about haboring an undocumented illegal alien?  Just marrying a US citizen does not make a resident alien legal - as my exhuband found out.  For all his faults as soon as he understood what the law was he busted his tail to get his Mexican wife's status changed to Legal resident alien ...

He even threatened me to give him copies of our divorce papers cuz he has &quot;lost&quot; them.  I would have given him copies anyway, he didn't need to threaten me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Now if she were undocumented and from say Portugal, they wouldn&#8217;t be yelling about her status, it would be the beating she took from her roomate while pregnant and her exhusband who didn&#8217;t get status taken care of.</p>
	<p>They only care if your white . . . how many other girls have disappeared since Holloway but have received no little to no coverage and are non-white? Yelling about being undocumented is only a cover . . . </p>
	<p>Is there anything pending on the ex about haboring an undocumented illegal alien?  Just marrying a US citizen does not make a resident alien legal - as my exhuband found out.  For all his faults as soon as he understood what the law was he busted his tail to get his Mexican wife&#8217;s status changed to Legal resident alien &#8230;</p>
	<p>He even threatened me to give him copies of our divorce papers cuz he has &#8220;lost&#8221; them.  I would have given him copies anyway, he didn&#8217;t need to threaten me.
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		<title>by: mythago</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 03:29:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;f we follow the implied rule here that if you make a crimminal complaint you are “safe” from arrest&lt;/i&gt;

If you bothered to read the original post, Miller, the issue wasn't that the police dealt with the assault but were unfortunately obligated to throw this woman back into the Kafkaesque immigration system afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>f we follow the implied rule here that if you make a crimminal complaint you are “safe” from arrest</i></p>
	<p>If you bothered to read the original post, Miller, the issue wasn&#8217;t that the police dealt with the assault but were unfortunately obligated to throw this woman back into the Kafkaesque immigration system afterward.
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		<title>by: Miller Smith</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/02/we-love-protecting-the-womenfolk-as-long-as-they-arent-mexicans/#comment-438704</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:17:29 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This kind of thing happens to men all the time.  Men who have not paid child support and call the police over a crime against them get arrested when the police see a warrant show up on the computer system.

Part of the pain of breaking the law is people who know you are breaking the law get to take advantage of you

If we follow the implied rule here that if you make a crimminal complaint you are &quot;safe&quot; from arrest, then all one has to do to avoid a warrant is to claim a crime was committed against them.

Think about this guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This kind of thing happens to men all the time.  Men who have not paid child support and call the police over a crime against them get arrested when the police see a warrant show up on the computer system.</p>
	<p>Part of the pain of breaking the law is people who know you are breaking the law get to take advantage of you</p>
	<p>If we follow the implied rule here that if you make a crimminal complaint you are &#8220;safe&#8221; from arrest, then all one has to do to avoid a warrant is to claim a crime was committed against them.</p>
	<p>Think about this guys.
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		<title>by: Mister Nice Guy, Boggart of Fried Potatoes and Sausage</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/08/02/we-love-protecting-the-womenfolk-as-long-as-they-arent-mexicans/#comment-438672</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:42:50 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Nah, you're missing the point, people.

It's not that she was a woman, or brown, or illegal.

It's that she was a police officer's abused spouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nah, you&#8217;re missing the point, people.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s not that she was a woman, or brown, or illegal.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s that she was a police officer&#8217;s abused spouse.
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		<title>by: Mark Friedl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:32:58 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This was not her second offense of being deported.
When she came into the country via Texas, she was apprehended and instructed to return for an Immigration Hearing in a month. She had continued on to Georgia and could not afford, financially to return to Texas to appear. A order of deportation was issued. Fast forward approx. 1 year....
She married a police officer from Carrollton, GA who, instead of obtaining an attorney and getting her legal status straightened out, held her status over her head, and was abusive towards her. He is the father of her youngest US born child. After about a year and a half of abuse, and aid from a womans shelter, she obtained a divorce from the abusive cop, and thanks to him, remains &quot;undocumented&quot;. Fast forward another year....
She is attacked by 3 roommates, 2 women and one male. The police arrest her and one of the other women, and at the initial bond hearing, the judge lets the other women, who is hispanic, but speaks good english, out / off.
Emelina was remanded into the custody of ICE because when she was fingerprinted, the old existing order of deportation came up.
The truly sad part in all of this, is the chidren, 8 yr. old Wendy, and 3 yr. old Karla. They are the ones who are suffering the most.
Karlas' father has not paid child support in I don't know how long, nor has he made any attempt to see his daughter, and now the girls are without their mother because she was attacked and had Wendy call 911 and report it.
Yes, Emelina Ramirez Bojorquez is pregnant again, by a man that she met and truly made her happy, whole and complete for the first time since I've known her, but that is another story.
Emelina and her girls don't deserve this regardless of her Immigration Status. If her x-husband had of done the right thing, she would be legal, and what of her US Citizen daughter?
The kids world has already been ripped apart, their hearts torn out, they just want AND NEED their mother back.

Most of the information regarding Emelina can be found here:
&amp;gt; http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2007/JUN/complaint14800.cfm and
&amp;gt; by following the links
&amp;gt; at the bottom of the complaint. You may also get info from:
&amp;gt; http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-deport29jul29,1,147... ,
&amp;gt; http://www.atlantalatino.com/detail.php?id=7732 ,
&amp;gt; http://www.cbs46.com:80/video/13560651/index.html ,
&amp;gt; http://www.mundohispanico.com/locales/content/locales/articulos/0705_art... 
US Constitution / 14th Amendment:  “…nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Also note that Under the new Georgia law SB 529, it requires that a person booked into jail on a felony or DUI charge be verified for lawful status in the United States. Emelina was not booked on a felony, she was booked on domestic violence. Also, Immigration and Customs Enforcement will put a hold, not to extend beyond 48-hours, on any person of interest, but Emelina was held for 2 weeks in Carrollton before ICE took custody and moved her to Alabama.
We have an attorney for her and her attorney is looking at the Violence Against Women Act angle. The problem with that is the proof. Remember, her x-husband was a cop and therefore she did not call the cops for help. We do however have a couple of witnesses that witnesses various acts against her, like when he threw her and their daughter out of the car for example. But we still don't know if that will be enough without police reports to back it up. Catch 22 unfortunately.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This was not her second offense of being deported.<br />
When she came into the country via Texas, she was apprehended and instructed to return for an Immigration Hearing in a month. She had continued on to Georgia and could not afford, financially to return to Texas to appear. A order of deportation was issued. Fast forward approx. 1 year&#8230;.<br />
She married a police officer from Carrollton, GA who, instead of obtaining an attorney and getting her legal status straightened out, held her status over her head, and was abusive towards her. He is the father of her youngest US born child. After about a year and a half of abuse, and aid from a womans shelter, she obtained a divorce from the abusive cop, and thanks to him, remains &#8220;undocumented&#8221;. Fast forward another year&#8230;.<br />
She is attacked by 3 roommates, 2 women and one male. The police arrest her and one of the other women, and at the initial bond hearing, the judge lets the other women, who is hispanic, but speaks good english, out / off.<br />
Emelina was remanded into the custody of ICE because when she was fingerprinted, the old existing order of deportation came up.<br />
The truly sad part in all of this, is the chidren, 8 yr. old Wendy, and 3 yr. old Karla. They are the ones who are suffering the most.<br />
Karlas&#8217; father has not paid child support in I don&#8217;t know how long, nor has he made any attempt to see his daughter, and now the girls are without their mother because she was attacked and had Wendy call 911 and report it.<br />
Yes, Emelina Ramirez Bojorquez is pregnant again, by a man that she met and truly made her happy, whole and complete for the first time since I&#8217;ve known her, but that is another story.<br />
Emelina and her girls don&#8217;t deserve this regardless of her Immigration Status. If her x-husband had of done the right thing, she would be legal, and what of her US Citizen daughter?<br />
The kids world has already been ripped apart, their hearts torn out, they just want AND NEED their mother back.</p>
	<p>Most of the information regarding Emelina can be found here:<br />
&gt; <a href='http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2007/JUN/complaint14800.cfm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2007/JUN/complaint14800.cfm</a> and<br />
&gt; by following the links<br />
&gt; at the bottom of the complaint. You may also get info from:<br />
&gt; <a href='http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-deport29jul29,1,147&#8230;' rel='nofollow'>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-deport29jul29,1,147&#8230;</a> ,<br />
&gt; <a href='http://www.atlantalatino.com/detail.php?id=7732' rel='nofollow'>http://www.atlantalatino.com/detail.php?id=7732</a> ,<br />
&gt; <a href='http://www.cbs46.com:80/video/13560651/index.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.cbs46.com:80/video/13560651/index.html</a> ,<br />
&gt; <a href='http://www.mundohispanico.com/locales/content/locales/articulos/0705_art&#8230;' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mundohispanico.com/locales/content/locales/articulos/0705_art&#8230;</a><br />
US Constitution / 14th Amendment:  “…nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”<br />
Also note that Under the new Georgia law SB 529, it requires that a person booked into jail on a felony or DUI charge be verified for lawful status in the United States. Emelina was not booked on a felony, she was booked on domestic violence. Also, Immigration and Customs Enforcement will put a hold, not to extend beyond 48-hours, on any person of interest, but Emelina was held for 2 weeks in Carrollton before ICE took custody and moved her to Alabama.<br />
We have an attorney for her and her attorney is looking at the Violence Against Women Act angle. The problem with that is the proof. Remember, her x-husband was a cop and therefore she did not call the cops for help. We do however have a couple of witnesses that witnesses various acts against her, like when he threw her and their daughter out of the car for example. But we still don&#8217;t know if that will be enough without police reports to back it up. Catch 22 unfortunately.
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