Posted by Sheelzebub July 31, 2007 in Uncategorized, Fun stuff, Images
Pics are below the fold. The first may be borderline NSFW. Seriously.
I’d like to advocate kilts for men. They are basically tartan loincloths, and I like loincloths. And I really like this low rise number, from Guilty Kilts.
Gerard Butler
Ewan McGregor
Amir Khan
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Such fashionable kilts!
I completely agree! Kilts look awesome and were more men to wear them, I suppose we’d see a few less idiots chuckling at the idea of men wearing non-pant lower body clothing in general.
Oh my, that first one….GREAT butt cleavage! Thanks, great way to start my day!
Huh. I didn’t know Amir Khan was Scottish.
Mmmm, kilts are good. I’ll take one. And I’ll wear one of these to go with it…!
“Huh. I didn’t know Amir Khan was Scottish.”
He’s not, he’s from Bolton.
Oh Cruella, that is comedy!
Gerard Butler is so yummmmy! A fine, fine specimen of the male gender.
Gerard Butler is stubbled joy.
love ‘em. always loved a good genderfuck.
Speaking of which, I saw the wonderful documentary on Klaus Nomi last night.
That does it, I’m buying one. So, do I get the plain Mountain Hardware model available from Amazon or the more traditional models available from Stillwater Kilts? I’m on a budget, so even the Utilikilt might be out of my range.
Going commando has never been a good option for me, since pants make me choose sides, so to speak. A kilt would end this chafing-filled issue quite simply: no bifurcation = no friction.
Now I might have to learn to get out of my car without having Britney and Paris moments. But I might not.
Me neither, Andrew. But the Khan tartan is quite fetching, it turns out.
“That does it, I’m buying one. So, do I get the plain Mountain Hardware model available from Amazon or the more traditional models available from Stillwater Kilts? I’m on a budget, so even the Utilikilt might be out of my range”
If the commercial ones are too expensive, they really aren’t all that hard to make. Any fabric store will have patterns for them (in their Halloween costume section, if nowhere else) and plenty of fabric choices.
Chances are you know someone who can sew if you can’t yourself.
Oh, my. I don’t normally find Ewan McGregor handsome, but… mmm. I can’t even find the words.
No hitting below the sporran!
SECONDED!!!!!!!! Hillary’s got NOTHING on that.
I’m going to pimp for an organization I helped found several years ago…the SPANKME - the Society for the Promotion, Advancement, and Necessity of Kilts on Men Everywhere.
http://www.ravenswing.com/EVILTWINS/spankme/index.html
Gotta love men in kilts. Yummmmmmm.
Ewan is the hotness.
Proof that gingers are innately beautiful.
::eyeroll:: TomChicago, kilts are not a ‘genderfuck’, it’s a traditional male garment. Geeze Louise.
::sigh:: weak weak lefty crap. This is why left-leaning people can’t stand the Lefty “conversation”– the incredible BS level of their favorite little hobbyhorses, their insipid cant they insert into every discussion.
Wait. A troll in the Tuesday Lechery gathering?
I hate to add a serious note to this otherwise marvelous Lechery thread, but my stomach is squirming.
I own and wear a kilt as my only formalwear. I am a Scot. I’m a diaspora Scot: my father came to the US from Fife, Scotland, and my mother’s grandparents came from Govan in Glasgow in 1909. I have relatives in Fife, relatives in Canada that immigrated from Scotland, and relatives in the US that identify strongly with their Scottish heritage. We follow “fitba’” and we tell jokes about “oor ain fowk,” and some of us even like haggis.
We are a very assimilated ethnic group. There are over twenty million Americans of Scottish decent by some estimates, but only four to five million of us identify with our Scottish descent. (And like many diasporas, there are many more of us abroad than the current population of our homeland.) And that’s a problem. And because of that, I have very mixed feelings about seeing kilts outside of their cultural context.
I won’t go into the Clearances or the Acts of Proscription, the loss of Gaelic as a language, or the lowland/highland split; suffice it to say that the Scottish diaspora has a hard time hanging onto its cultural markers and Scots abroad tend to disappear.
I love seeing kilts around. I really do. But there are more and more of these non-traditional kilts, non-tartan kilts, utilikilts …
I don’t know why Amir Khan is wearing a kilt. If he’s part Scot, I’m glad to have him on board. (In fact, my largest political project as a Scot is to reach out to the nonwhite diaspora; we should embrace our own and I hope they take something positive from the connection.) But I don’t want to end up in a place where wearing kilts has nothing to do with Scotland. I don’t object to non-Scots wearing kilts, but I really want to stay in a place where the first question is, “Is he a Scot?”
By all means, return to merriment. That was damned fine butt cleavage, in the opinion of this hetboy.
What’s the big deal about guys in kilts. Here in Edinburgh, it’s a common sight. Hell, I’ve even worn one. Kilts have definitely become more fashionable in recent years. Mostly with T-shirts and boots. The full highland dress is reserved for weddings and pipe bands. My brother got married in a kilt, and my two young nephews wore them recently to their Auntie’s wedding. All that’s needed is for some big film star to wear one in a blockbuster movie, and all the fashionistas will be donning them.
No Sting?! He’s been caught in a kilt on more than one occasion, and it’s a good look on him, I must say.
Barry, Samuel L. Jackson doesn’t count?
I was married in a kilt, my father was remarried in a kilt (there’s a lesson there — he married my mother in the 1960s in a tux and lost his accent on purpose), I wear my kilt to non-Scottish formal events in the US, and I get a lot of compliments. My preschooler son has a little kilt, and at family weddings we always have a picture of the men in kilts.
I’d like to order the Gerard Butler model…with him still in it! Thanks!
Wow. That butt cleavage…whoo. I’m going to be convincing my boyfriend tonight just how sexy he would look in one of those. Seriously, that was awesome. Men in kilts=new favorite eye candy. Sheelzebub, you are the best president for life ever.
Kilts are for wusses, real men wear togas.
What’s all this about kilts? Let’s get the fellas in sarongs! Step 1: Let men discover how comfy and cool sarongs are. (And cheaper than kilts, too.) Step 2: Get them in the habit of wearing sarongs. Step 3: Gradually make the sarongs shorter and lower-waisted so there’s more butt cleavage.
Don’t forget South Asian dhotis and lungis. Actually, I like the masculine kurta salwar too, although that’s just basically a smock with trousers.
Amir Khan, incidentally, is the name of a hot 90s’ Bollywood actor. He may have worn kilts (We Easterners like flirting with Western culture too!); he’s definitely worn lungis and dhotis in his film career.
Having just spent Saturday at the Seattle Highland Games… saw lots of men in kilts… nice…
That said: my favourite kilt photo, probably not work safe: Under a kilt
OK. I hope this doesn’t post more than once, it keeps on telling me I typed the text wrong, even though I know I didn’t!
Thomas, are you suggesting that only Scots should wear kilts? You know, don’t you, that they were ancestral clothing all across northern Europe and down to the Middle East? And clothing tends to be widely adopted by other ethnicities.
Concerning non-Scottish looking people of Scots ancestry, I have seen many such over the years at the Highland Games in Portland.
Older, I’ve seen some nonwhite and mixed-race Scots at games on the East Coast as well, and some at the Tartan Day parade here in NYC, and that’s very encouraging. I would like it more if I saw them in the Scottish cultural organizations …
I didn’t and wouldn’t go so far as to say non-Scots should not wear kilts. But I also don’t want to see their association with Scotland lost. The way I formulated it above was that when someone is in a kilt, the first question should remain, “is he a Scot?” Scottish Games athletes, whatever their own heritage, are participating in a Scottish tradition, so that keeps the linkage intact; if I participate in sumo and wear a mawashi, everyone understands I’m wearing a Japanese garment because I’m engaging in a Japanese sport, even if I look like a gaijin.
About European non-bifurcated garments: Sure, lots of Europeans from Scandinavia to the Hellespont wore them. Those are not kilts. The kilt is a specific garment with a specific history; an outgrowth (and I get the sense that you may know this) of the breacan faile, (Scots Gaelic: “great kilt”) which was basically a blanket, folded into pleats, belted and then either left to hang or slung over the shoulder. Over time, the pleats got belt-loops and then stitches to become more a garment and less a blanket until the faile beg or philabeg (Scots Gaelic: small kilt) was born.
A kilt has two flat aprons across the front secured by straps and pleats across the back, full stop. One can argue that it is not unique to Scotland, but it is unique to Scotland and its immediate environs: Northumbria, North Wales, Ireland … and some of these connections are pan-Celtic cross-current (which, as a partial descendant of Ulster Scots, I’m all for.)
Amir Khan is not going to single-handedly dilute the association of kilts with Scotland, but as far as I know about the man, he’s English; grew up in Bolton, supports Bolton Wanderers, no Scots in his family and no particular connection to Scotland. Already in Scottish history, lowlanders appropriated highland culture as a set of national symbols; I don’t want to see the larger and richer neighbor to the South diluting the heritage any further.
Says it all, really.
BTW, if anyone is just fascinated by the subject of preserving Scottish culture and languages, there are two punk bands that sing modern lyrics in Scottish Gaelic. One is the hardcore band Oi Polloi, and the other is a melodic punk band based in Seattle called Mill a h-Uile Rud, whose name means “destroy everything.”
Thomas, the thing about the modern kilt is it’s already a kind of ‘tarting up’ of the traditional thing which came about at the time that Walter Scott etc. were attempting to punt a shortbread tin version of Scotland to give it a kind of rich man’s playground role in the Union. So it’s not exactly unchanged from it’s traditional Scottish form.
I don’t think there’s any danger of the kilt not being associated with Scotland any time soon. As for Gaelic, I’m glad you brought that up. I’m studying it at the University of Glasgow (weegie from Castlemilk, whole family is from the Gorbals) and it is a seriously threatened language. Thankfully it has made some great strides recently, such as being officially recognised and accorded the same status as English and the first fully Gaelic feature film for about twenty years is being released soon. It’s called Seachd (English title is The Inaccessible Pinnacle) and you’re not likely to find it at many big cinemas in the states. Maybe if folk at Pandagon try any decent wee arthousey type places they have near them?
It’ll probably show at a smattering of cinemas in the UK.
God, I love Tuesdays.
Yay! Knew it would be a good idea
Lynsey, I’m not the kind of purist that wants things to remain unchanged. The modern kilt has evolved, tartans as we know them are a mid-Victorian forgery, celtic music has evolved, Scots as a people are a mishmash of Scots, Picts, Norse, Angles …
Modern tartans are great. Non-tartan kilts are great. Shooglenifty (”acid croft” band) are great. I’m in no way hidebound. I just look around at our diaspora, and we don’t know who the hell we are.
Thank you for saving the language. If you are interested in a scholarship for graduate study in the US, an organization I work with offers them; you can email me privately at t525881@verizon.net.
oh yeah. I love you. Thank you for the lovely kilt-wearin’, especially Ewan!
That does it, I’m buying one. So, do I get the plain Mountain Hardware model available from Amazon or the more traditional models available from Stillwater Kilts? I’m on a budget, so even the Utilikilt might be out of my range.
Try eBay.
Breathe, Thomas.
What a beautiful, beautiful post.
I think telling people of non-Scots descent not to wear kilts is completely asinine, sorry.
If you think that, the you must also think all Europeans ought to toss out their pants postehaste. What business do we have coopting the national costume of the Indo-Scythians?
Also, since you seem to eager for everyone to stick to some sort of antiquated ethno-centric dress code, does that mean you demand that white women go back to wearing wimples at all times like the good lord intended? Maybe colors like red and purple should be legally restricted to use only by royalty?
If you were talking about how people should avoid wearing tartans that don’t belong to them, I’d agree wholeheartedly. But c’mon. Welcome to the 21st century, when anyone can wear anything they want.
ESPECIALLY if what started this whole thing is the prospect of a South Asian in a kilt. What, you’d prefer a turban? One of those cute little Nehru collars?
(seriousness aside, my first question here was, “wait, since when is Amir Khan a boxer?”)
Also, since when is Amir Khan that totally hawt? Has the kilt transformed him from one of those movie actors I don’t get the appeal of to a total hottie? If so, no wonder Thomas doesn’t want anybody else wearing them…
For your consideration.
The only change I’d make is that the outfit DEMANDS black, 8-lace Doc Martens.
Q: What’s worn under a Scotsman’s kilt?
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A: Nothing. Everything is in working order.
I’m going to Scotland in August. I was already happy about it, but now I’m really excited!
Opoponax, I expressly disclaimed the position you say I’m taking at no. 32, above. I’m sure it was an honest mistake.
I know you say it’s OK for non-Scots to wear kilts, but then you also say that it’s not OK for kilts to become associated with non-Scottishness, or be coopted by just anybody, or whatever. Which implies that you think it’s somehow wrong for a non-Scot to wear a kilt, because how else would the kilt lose its associations with Scotland or be coopted by everyone else other than by being worn by non-Scots? It’s like saying “I don’t think abortion should be illegal, I just don’t think anyone should be allowed to have one.”
I mean, the only thing you possibly could mean aside from “only Scots should wear kilts” is “non-Scots can only wear kilts with my personal approval” or “non-Scots can only wear kilts at the Highland Games” or “potential non-Scots can only wear kilts if they’re willing to carry around some kind of provenance which shows they have a right to it”. Which is really no different. Especially considering that the only reason you said anything was because of the photo with a South Asian in a kilt.
Your example of the mawashi makes no sense, because the mawashi is not the traditional costume of Japan. Nobody who isn’t a sumo wrestler wears them in public. The analog to a kilt would be a kimono — do you really believe it’s offensive to the Japanese for a westerner to wear a kimono?
I think telling people of non-Scots descent not to wear kilts is completely asinine, sorry.
I took his post as expressing some ambivalence about this. Which is A-OK with me, frankly.
Thomas, thanks for the links to the punk bands, I’ll have to check them out.
I LOVE TUESDAY.
Ewan, dear- right leg a little higher. That’s perfect. Thanks.
Also, I feel it is my duty to come in here and make another stink about David Tennant. I do believe I have the kilt-induced vapors.
For some reason, I’m disappointed in his legs. Expected better ones. *shrugs*
“Especially considering that the only reason you said anything was because of the photo with a South Asian in a kilt. ”
No, and fuck you.
There were four pictures. Gerard Butler is a Scot. Ewan McGregor is a Scot. The model is a model; modeling a kilt (still and always, I hope, which is my point) is standing in for a Scot. Amir Khan is not a Scot. I’m a fight fan. When someone mentioned the name, I recognized it immediately.
I didn’t say he’s South Asian. I said he’s from Bolton. He’s from Lancashire. You said he’s South Asian. But I’m not worried about South Asian guys appropriating Scottish culture. I’m worried about Scotland’s larger and richer neighbor to the south, England. And Khan is English.
As an aside, and you may not know this, there is a significant South Asian population in the Central Belt. If I hadn’t recognized the name of the new Commonwealth Lightweight Champ (I did not see his fight with Limond, which was just two weeks ago), I would have simply assumed he was a Scot with South Asian heritage.
Also, your interpretations of what I could possibly mean are a collection of strawmen fit to drive off a flock of crows.
Sheelzebub, who gives what I write an honest read, understood me just fine. When non-Scots wear kilts, I want to remind everyone that the kilt is a piece of Scottish culture, so that our cultural symbols do not get diluted. I wouldn’t stop non-Scots from wearing kilts as fashion even if I could; I just want to make sure that the first question is, “Are you a Scot?”
Sheelzebub, speaking of punk, Scots and South Asians, the best version of Anarchy in the UK I ever heard was belted out on the steps of Waverly Station by a South Asian woman; just her and a guy with an acoustic guitar busking. It had started to rain and they were packing up to go, and I threw a pound in the guitar case so they decided to hang for one more song. It was July 1990 and I remember it still.
I didn’t say he’s South Asian. I said he’s from Bolton. He’s from Lancashire.
If he was paler and named Jimmy Anderson, you wouldn’t have mentioned it. Jimmy Anderson from Lancashire has a right to wear a kilt, in your eyes. Amir Khan from Lancashire doesn’t. You say that you might give another South Asian the benefit of the doubt, because there are some South Asians living in Scotland today. Except that without said person carrying a passport or family tree or some other “proof” that they ought to be allowed to wear a kilt, you’d still disapprove. I mean, how could you really know?
Another problem with seeing the kilt as a “cultural symbol” you have to save from being “diluted” is that it assumes that typical western attire is a neutral default for everyone. Except that western clothes are every bit as much a “cultural symbol” as your beloved kilt. I mean, what are you going to do, go around asking for ID to make sure everyone’s clothes match their nationality/ethnicity? If only Scots ought to wear kilts, then only Americans ought to wear jeans, only Brits ought to wear tweed, only Japanese ought to wear kimono, etc. Sounds pretty fucking exhausting, if you ask me.
Why not just let everyone dress how they want and mind your own goddamn business about it?
Everybody’s got the “right” to wear a kilt, in my eyes, notwithstanding your assertions to the contrary. If Ricky Hatton showed up wearing a kilt, I’d ask why an Englishman was wearing a kilt. I know who Ricky Hatton is; he’s an English fighter from Manchester. If I saw Joe Calzaghe wearing a kilt, I’d ask why Joe Calzaghe was wearing a kilt. He’s a Welshman of Italian descent.
You ignore that I know who Amir Khan is. I know he’s English. Neither Amir Khan nor Naseem Hamed in a kilt raises any different issue from Ricky Hatton or Paul Ingle in a kilt, your strained accusations of racism are without foundation.
Obviously you feel the need to accuse me of racism because of our fight on the Israel thread. It’s transparent.
I have to say to previous comments about amir khan. Amir kahn is SCOTTISH and he is more scottish than any american claiming to be scottish just because their great gran cam from scotland.
Being scottish does not mean having to be born in scotland nor does it mean that your parents have to be scottish. Being scottish means understanding what it is to be scottish, growing up in scots history, culture, people, law , education system, sense of the way we percieve ourselvs (which is differant from american perceptions) this all makes you scottish.
I am from scotland and my ancestors are from scotland and I take offense at some american saying fellow scots are not scottish because their parents are from pakistan or wherever it is you americans who are not scottish.
Sean, I’m not disagreeing about what makes a Scot. If Amir Khan lived in Scotland or identified himself with Scottish culture, I’d call him a Scot.
But as far as I can tell, he doesn’t. He has a fan base among Scots, and among Scots of Asian decent — but I have never seen him say he’s a Scot.
In fact, on Boxing Forum, I saw this quote:
“I don’t know why I have support from Scotland, they just say they like the way I box. I’ve been to the borders but this is the furthest north that I’ve been. There were a few amateur championships in Scotland but I never got the chance to come here, they kept me away!” (emphasis supplied).
Khan grew up in England. He didn’t grow up with the Scottish education system or legal system. He was educated in Bolton. He went to community college in Bolton.
Really, I’m happy to be wrong. I’m happy to support Scottish athletes, musicians, or anyone else of ethnic minority decent. But to be a Scot, one first has to self-identify as a Scot, wouldn’t you agree? If you’ve seen Khan quoted as identifying himself as a Scot, pass it along.
Ok, you probably won’t like this, I’m English. My Parents are England and so are my Grandparents.
However, my Great-Grandad was Scottish (he died a year before I was born). So, in your eyes, do I qualify to wear a kilt? I can also claim descent from the Clan Gunn. So can I wear their tartan?
Cheers