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		<title>by: eldricht</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-438005</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:24:50 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>If you're fighting a supreme patriarchy, that rules out the chance of winning. It would be like a peasant revolt, but with more royalty, who have nuclear weapons while the peasants were still wielding pitchforks.

It's just not the case. But then the question becomes how much you are willing to concede to this reality without sacrificing the propaganda points it gets you. And also to what extend doing that is even possible.

I don't know, a lot of the time it seems like everything is trying to bend reality to make things comfortable for someone who feels the current societal standard is not focusing enough on them, or that &quot;life isn't easy enough&quot; for. A battle to fight indeed.

But futile. For simple reasons soon to be illustrated. Some times I'm glad I'm not in to politics, because as Spider Jerusalem said in the cult-comic Transmetropolitan:

&quot;You wanna know about voting, I'm here to tell you about voting. Imagine you're locked up in a nightclub with sinners, whores, freaks and unnameable things that rape pitbulls for fun. And you're not allowed out until you all  vote on what you're going to do tonight.

YOU like to put your feet up and watch &quot;Republican Party Reservation&quot;. THEY like to have sex with people using knives, guns, and sexual organs you didn't even know existed.

So you vote for television. And everybody else, as far as the eye can see, votes to sodomize you with a switchblade. 

That's voting.  

You're welcome.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you&#8217;re fighting a supreme patriarchy, that rules out the chance of winning. It would be like a peasant revolt, but with more royalty, who have nuclear weapons while the peasants were still wielding pitchforks.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s just not the case. But then the question becomes how much you are willing to concede to this reality without sacrificing the propaganda points it gets you. And also to what extend doing that is even possible.</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know, a lot of the time it seems like everything is trying to bend reality to make things comfortable for someone who feels the current societal standard is not focusing enough on them, or that &#8220;life isn&#8217;t easy enough&#8221; for. A battle to fight indeed.</p>
	<p>But futile. For simple reasons soon to be illustrated. Some times I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not in to politics, because as Spider Jerusalem said in the cult-comic Transmetropolitan:</p>
	<p>&#8220;You wanna know about voting, I&#8217;m here to tell you about voting. Imagine you&#8217;re locked up in a nightclub with sinners, whores, freaks and unnameable things that rape pitbulls for fun. And you&#8217;re not allowed out until you all  vote on what you&#8217;re going to do tonight.</p>
	<p>YOU like to put your feet up and watch &#8220;Republican Party Reservation&#8221;. THEY like to have sex with people using knives, guns, and sexual organs you didn&#8217;t even know existed.</p>
	<p>So you vote for television. And everybody else, as far as the eye can see, votes to sodomize you with a switchblade. </p>
	<p>That&#8217;s voting.  </p>
	<p>You&#8217;re welcome.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Burt</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437968</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:22:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Sort of, but that’s just the same general sexism. If a guy revolts against a woman asking for what she wants in the dating world (I mean, within reason, same standards as a man), isn’t that sexist as well?&quot;

No.  He has free will and can chose what he will and won't tolerate, just as she can.

Men are not to live their lives to do whatever women want, and refusing a woman is not sexism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Sort of, but that’s just the same general sexism. If a guy revolts against a woman asking for what she wants in the dating world (I mean, within reason, same standards as a man), isn’t that sexist as well?&#8221;</p>
	<p>No.  He has free will and can chose what he will and won&#8217;t tolerate, just as she can.</p>
	<p>Men are not to live their lives to do whatever women want, and refusing a woman is not sexism.
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		<title>by: Samantha Vimes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437743</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:27:36 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437743</guid>
					<description>Casual troll who just stopped by:

Actually, most of us learned lessons from the patriarchy we are STILL struggling with. One of the reasons places like this exist is so we can learn from each other where we've been given false assumptions, and help each other find better ways. And we sometimes take each other down for sexist remarks. 

As for the lechery posts, someone always complains, but I don't even think most of the comments end up being objectifying. Mostly, people are going, &quot;Ooo! I like him!&quot; But as you're only a casual troll reader, you missed the beginning of the series, which was a defiance of the assumption often made that women don't care about looks in men. We are still sticking to the spirit of that, with the odd foray into whether variants on kilts water down the connection to Scots pride. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Casual troll who just stopped by:</p>
	<p>Actually, most of us learned lessons from the patriarchy we are STILL struggling with. One of the reasons places like this exist is so we can learn from each other where we&#8217;ve been given false assumptions, and help each other find better ways. And we sometimes take each other down for sexist remarks. </p>
	<p>As for the lechery posts, someone always complains, but I don&#8217;t even think most of the comments end up being objectifying. Mostly, people are going, &#8220;Ooo! I like him!&#8221; But as you&#8217;re only a casual troll reader, you missed the beginning of the series, which was a defiance of the assumption often made that women don&#8217;t care about looks in men. We are still sticking to the spirit of that, with the odd foray into whether variants on kilts water down the connection to Scots pride.
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		<title>by: Mickle</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437683</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:54:45 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437683</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, did some of you miss your training sessions?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We worked long and hard hours learning to un-learn them.

&lt;blockquote&gt;(That explains the lechery posts.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, please.  As if half those pictures showed a fraction of the disdain for their subject that 99 percent of porn or ads featuring women show.

Which would rather be the point of the lechery posts.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The women have the power and are out penalizing everybody!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, I see now.  It's not that you've stopped by this blog, it's that you've stopped by from a planet other than earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>So, did some of you miss your training sessions?</p></blockquote>
	<p>We worked long and hard hours learning to un-learn them.</p>
	<blockquote><p>(That explains the lechery posts.)</p></blockquote>
	<p>Oh, please.  As if half those pictures showed a fraction of the disdain for their subject that 99 percent of porn or ads featuring women show.</p>
	<p>Which would rather be the point of the lechery posts.</p>
	<blockquote><p>The women have the power and are out penalizing everybody!</p></blockquote>
	<p>Ah, I see now.  It&#8217;s not that you&#8217;ve stopped by this blog, it&#8217;s that you&#8217;ve stopped by from a planet other than earth.
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		<title>by: Casual reader who stopped by</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437671</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:40:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;If a guy revolts against a woman asking for what she wants in the dating world (I mean, within reason, same standards as a man), isn’t that sexist as well?&lt;/i&gt; 

No. If that were true, refusing to date a non-Jew because you're Jewish and want to marry a Jew would be akin to racial discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>If a guy revolts against a woman asking for what she wants in the dating world (I mean, within reason, same standards as a man), isn’t that sexist as well?</i> </p>
	<p>No. If that were true, refusing to date a non-Jew because you&#8217;re Jewish and want to marry a Jew would be akin to racial discrimination.
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		<title>by: Casual reader who stopped by</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437670</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:37:58 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;instead of men and women focusing on keeping women down, it seems to be men giving their ol’ buddy-boys a leg up.&lt;/i&gt; 

Well, maybe the men are protecting the men because it's the least they can do. The women have the power and are out penalizing everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>instead of men and women focusing on keeping women down, it seems to be men giving their ol’ buddy-boys a leg up.</i> </p>
	<p>Well, maybe the men are protecting the men because it&#8217;s the least they can do. The women have the power and are out penalizing everybody!
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		<title>by: Casual reader who stopped by</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437663</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:31:29 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Men need to stop thinking with their dicks. The number of potential mates for someone is mighty small, considering the number of humans in the world.&lt;/i&gt; 

Doesn't the second sentence contradict the first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Men need to stop thinking with their dicks. The number of potential mates for someone is mighty small, considering the number of humans in the world.</i> </p>
	<p>Doesn&#8217;t the second sentence contradict the first?
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		<title>by: Casual reader who stopped by</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437660</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:27:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;But is that what is happening? I don’t see that it’s necessarily deliberate or malicious.&lt;/i&gt;

Or mabye women and men are both sexist. Men like to negotiate and so favor men who negotiate. Women don't like to negotiate and so penalize anyone who negotiates. Men want only men to act like &quot;men&quot; and women want everyone to act like &quot;women.&quot; Both biases are sexist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>But is that what is happening? I don’t see that it’s necessarily deliberate or malicious.</i></p>
	<p>Or mabye women and men are both sexist. Men like to negotiate and so favor men who negotiate. Women don&#8217;t like to negotiate and so penalize anyone who negotiates. Men want only men to act like &#8220;men&#8221; and women want everyone to act like &#8220;women.&#8221; Both biases are sexist.
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		<title>by: Casual reader who stopped by</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437659</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:24:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Women are more docile than men, because they’ve been trained to be more docile. And the way we are trained to be more docile is by having our attempts to ask for more&lt;/i&gt;

This is kind of like philosophies of the truth that claim the truth cannot be known. Okay, so then how do we know the skeptical philosophy of truth is true? I mean, clearly the women who post on this blog aren't docile. Neither are the female commenters. So, did some of you miss your training sessions?

And what exactly is the solution? Train men to be more docile by smacking them down? (That explains the lechery posts.)

It seems the viewpoint of the italicized quote buys too quickly into the idea that human beings can just be trained like leg-humping dogs. Frankly, I have an astronomically higher opinion of women than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Women are more docile than men, because they’ve been trained to be more docile. And the way we are trained to be more docile is by having our attempts to ask for more</i></p>
	<p>This is kind of like philosophies of the truth that claim the truth cannot be known. Okay, so then how do we know the skeptical philosophy of truth is true? I mean, clearly the women who post on this blog aren&#8217;t docile. Neither are the female commenters. So, did some of you miss your training sessions?</p>
	<p>And what exactly is the solution? Train men to be more docile by smacking them down? (That explains the lechery posts.)</p>
	<p>It seems the viewpoint of the italicized quote buys too quickly into the idea that human beings can just be trained like leg-humping dogs. Frankly, I have an astronomically higher opinion of women than that.
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		<title>by: Mickle</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/30/study-shows-that-egg-preceded-chicken/#comment-437574</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:50:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>hmmmm......the blockquotes looked good in preview, I don't know why they didn't work in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hmmmm&#8230;&#8230;the blockquotes looked good in preview, I don&#8217;t know why they didn&#8217;t work in the post.
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