Comments on: The Life and Loves of Severus Snape http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/ Just another WordPress weblog Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:27:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: heather http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-443292 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:35:27 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-443292 I agree completly with your whole argument- infact, i ws quite suprised but the intellectual thinking you had inquired into it. but i do disagree with you on one accord- hedwigs death. I thought it was ONE of the most disturbing of the series. hedwig, was always tehre for harry no matter what situatio. Hedwig was so intelligent, always finding ways to get harry his presents for his brithday and such. I believe Hedwig was symbolisim in the beginning of the book that, ANYONE was up for grabs, and anyone could have died. Hedwig had a strong effect on me, she was harry's first true friend and companion. I agree completly with your whole argument-
infact, i ws quite suprised but the intellectual thinking you had inquired into it.
but i do disagree with you on one accord- hedwigs death. I thought it was ONE of the most disturbing of the series. hedwig, was always tehre for harry no matter what situatio. Hedwig was so intelligent, always finding ways to get harry his presents for his brithday and such. I believe Hedwig was symbolisim in the beginning of the book that, ANYONE was up for grabs, and anyone could have died. Hedwig had a strong effect on me, she was harry’s first true friend and companion.

]]> by: Ken Cope http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-439668 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:48:10 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-439668 Caukee, Your analysis was original, painting a parallel with another Scooby gang, while noting the salient sexist points. Contrast your insightful contribution with the insufferable literature snobs offering little more than "HP is the SUXX0R & U PotterManiacs are PWND." Caukee,

Your analysis was original, painting a parallel with another Scooby gang, while noting the salient sexist points. Contrast your insightful contribution with the insufferable literature snobs offering little more than “HP is the SUXX0R & U PotterManiacs are PWND.”

]]> by: Caukee http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-439404 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:32:25 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-439404 Chiming in late (damn mono) in case opoponax checks in to say: Thanks, opoponax, for patiently continuing to express what many of us found true: the books are engaging, but not without deep flaws. That this is a point of view to be respected appears to be a matter for dissent here. Whatever. I see this divide all the time. As much as I love books and movies, I also love to spend hours figuring out where they went wrong and how they might have been better. Many people aren't interested in doing that, ok, fine, but why do they take such offense ? You've been polite and mild. I've enjoyed (and agree with many of) your thoughtful comments, and wonder if you know of and could post a link for another place for people who want to discuss what's bad as well as what's good about HPDH. Even if I'm reading old posts because I'm late, I am interested in what others' think. And even though, or because, no one is here anyway, my pet peeve: Harry, Hermione, and Ron wasting half the book in the cabin in the woods is the worst element in HPDH. Every HP book has too much vamping, but the endless camping trip was like watching the worst Angel episode ever. As usual, we find our heroes Harry/Angel and Cordy/Ron, sitting around brooding, whining, and bitching, while casualties mount all around them. Hermione (Wesley) does all the scut (intellectual, thus valueless, thus women's or low-status male's) work, until enough the show/book is half over, when H/Angel finally gets to kill something and get all the glory. Cordy/Ron takes off - in the middle of a war - for some shopping and a mani-pedi; Wes/Herm keeps doing everyone's work as well playing Mum; H/Angel broods some more, and can't be arsed to crack a book, even though the world is ending. When Cordy/Ron returns and performs an unbelievable task, H/Angel kisses hir ass, and when W/Herm has the nerve to be upset that s/he buggered off for a spot of the soft life, they think she's just being a bitch as usual, not that maybe she had a reason, and hey, when will you have those answers for us, W/Herm, we're waiting. This episode portrays the full flowering of Hermione's handmaiden/doormat status. Ron isn't even a Nice Guy, he's a total ass, a mental and moral midget, who Hermione has no reason to be interested in, much less lurve. JKR has the nerve, after preaching in real life that girls should not go for bad guys, to have Hermione marry one. Empowering. Chiming in late (damn mono) in case opoponax checks in to say:
Thanks, opoponax, for patiently continuing to express what many of us found true: the books are engaging, but not without deep flaws. That this is a point of view to be respected appears to be a matter for dissent here. Whatever. I see this divide all the time. As much as I love books and movies, I also love to spend hours figuring out where they went wrong and how they might have been better. Many people aren’t interested in doing that, ok, fine, but why do they take such offense ? You’ve been polite and mild. I’ve enjoyed (and agree with many of) your thoughtful comments, and wonder if you know of and could post a link for another place for people who want to discuss what’s bad as well as what’s good about HPDH. Even if I’m reading old posts because I’m late, I am interested in what others’ think.

And even though, or because, no one is here anyway, my pet peeve:
Harry, Hermione, and Ron wasting half the book in the cabin in the woods is the worst element in HPDH. Every HP book has too much vamping, but the endless camping trip was like watching the worst Angel episode ever.

As usual, we find our heroes Harry/Angel and Cordy/Ron, sitting around brooding, whining, and bitching, while casualties mount all around them. Hermione (Wesley) does all the scut (intellectual, thus valueless, thus women’s or low-status male’s) work, until enough the show/book is half over, when H/Angel finally gets to kill something and get all the glory. Cordy/Ron takes off - in the middle of a war - for some shopping and a mani-pedi; Wes/Herm keeps doing everyone’s work as well playing Mum; H/Angel broods some more, and can’t be arsed to crack a book, even though the world is ending. When Cordy/Ron returns and performs an unbelievable task, H/Angel kisses hir ass, and when W/Herm has the nerve to be upset that s/he buggered off for a spot of the soft life, they think she’s just being a bitch as usual, not that maybe she had a reason, and hey, when will you have those answers for us, W/Herm, we’re waiting.

This episode portrays the full flowering of Hermione’s handmaiden/doormat status. Ron isn’t even a Nice Guy, he’s a total ass, a mental and moral midget, who Hermione has no reason to be interested in, much less lurve. JKR has the nerve, after preaching in real life that girls should not go for bad guys, to have Hermione marry one. Empowering.

]]> by: Mary http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-439112 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:59:31 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-439112 The book was fantastic, I really enyojed it, however I didn't expected the death of Lupin or Tonks. I heard rumours about the death of Ron, Harry or Hermione, but I knew that it can't happen. I thought of somebody less important, like other members of the Weasley family. Like Fred or Percy. I was so sad, when Voldemort killed Snape. I newer liked him, but when I got to know that he was in love with Lilly, I understood everything. That he was so cold with Harry, because, he was jelous of James. That Lilly loved James, not him. On the other hand it could be terrible for him, to look into Harry's eyes, because it made him remember to Lilly. The book was fantastic, I really enyojed it, however I didn’t expected the death of Lupin or Tonks. I heard rumours about the death of Ron, Harry or Hermione, but I knew that it can’t happen. I thought of somebody less important, like other members of the Weasley family. Like Fred or Percy.
I was so sad, when Voldemort killed Snape. I newer liked him, but when I got to know that he was in love with Lilly, I understood everything. That he was so cold with Harry, because, he was jelous of James. That Lilly loved James, not him. On the other hand it could be terrible for him, to look into Harry’s eyes, because it made him remember to Lilly.

]]> by: Valerie http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-438797 Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:11:42 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-438797 The book was slow and boring. Full of meaningless death and torture.. Bush and Bin Laden are not two sides of the same coin. If you believe that to be true, then you are a Cornelius Fudge. The enemy is at your door and you don't even know it, which leads to more deaths. The book was slow and boring. Full of meaningless death and torture.. Bush and Bin Laden are not two sides of the same coin. If you believe that to be true, then you are a Cornelius Fudge. The enemy is at your door and you don’t even know it, which leads to more deaths.

]]> by: Ken Cope http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437847 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:37:57 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437847 my links (to other pandagon posts) must've put me in the moderation cue. sorry for the repeats. I'm all fanwanked out, now. my links (to other pandagon posts) must’ve put me in the moderation cue. sorry for the repeats. I’m all fanwanked out, now.

]]> by: Ken Cope http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437804 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:09:33 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437804 <blockquote>Dumbledore and Harry are not at the Pensieve on HBP, they are at the basin the Horcrux rested in(it’s green)</blockquote> You don't think that hand looks withered? You should see Dumbledore's other hand, tanned, muscular and handsome! The only reason it doesn't look blackened is that it's getting the full blast of supernaturally irridescent algae from the (fabulous!) uplighting in the horcrux basin. That, and the <a href="http://tinyurl.com/25pz3h" rel="nofollow">airbrushing</a> and the <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yqnwso" rel="nofollow">photoshopping</a>.

Dumbledore and Harry are not at the Pensieve on HBP, they are at the basin the Horcrux rested in(it’s green) You don’t think that hand looks withered? You should see Dumbledore’s other hand, tanned, muscular and handsome! The only reason it doesn’t look blackened is that it’s getting the full blast of supernaturally irridescent algae from the (fabulous!) uplighting in the horcrux basin. That, and the airbrushing and the photoshopping.

]]> by: Ken Cope http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437801 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:03:21 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437801 <blockquote>Dumbledore and Harry are not at the Pensieve on HBP, they are at the basin the Horcrux rested in(it’s green)</blockquote> You don't think that hand looks withered? You should see Dumbledore's other hand, tanned, muscular and handsome! The only reason it doesn't look blackened is that it's getting the full blast of supernaturally irridescent algae from the (fabulous!) uplighting in the horcrux basin. That, and the <a href="http://http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/08/why-cant-i-get-one-of-those-airbrushy-things-on-my-mirror/" rel="nofollow">airbrushing</a> and the <a href="http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/16/more-on-how-photoshopping-is-subtly-destroying-our-minds/" rel="nofollow">photoshopping</a>.

Dumbledore and Harry are not at the Pensieve on HBP, they are at the basin the Horcrux rested in(it’s green) You don’t think that hand looks withered? You should see Dumbledore’s other hand, tanned, muscular and handsome! The only reason it doesn’t look blackened is that it’s getting the full blast of supernaturally irridescent algae from the (fabulous!) uplighting in the horcrux basin. That, and the airbrushing and the photoshopping.

]]> by: Ken Cope http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437799 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:59:40 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437799 <blockquote>Dumbledore and Harry are not at the Pensieve on HBP, they are at the basin the Horcrux rested in(it’s green)</blockquote> You don't think that hand looks withered? You should see Dumbledore's other hand, tanned, muscular and handsome! The only reason it doesn't look blackened is that it's getting the full blast of supernaturally irridescent algae from the (fabulous!) uplighting in the horcrux basin. That, and the <a href="http://http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/08/why-cant-i-get-one-of-those-airbrushy-things-on-my-mirror/" rel="nofollow">airbrushing</a> and the <a href="http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/16/more-on-how-photoshopping-is-subtly-destroying-our-minds/" rel="nofollow">photoshopping</a>.

Dumbledore and Harry are not at the Pensieve on HBP, they are at the basin the Horcrux rested in(it’s green) You don’t think that hand looks withered? You should see Dumbledore’s other hand, tanned, muscular and handsome! The only reason it doesn’t look blackened is that it’s getting the full blast of supernaturally irridescent algae from the (fabulous!) uplighting in the horcrux basin. That, and the airbrushing and the photoshopping.

]]> by: Aeryl http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437775 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:47:50 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/07/28/the-life-and-loves-of-severus-snape/#comment-437775 Dumbledore and Harry are not at the Pensieve on HBP, they are at the basin the Horcrux rested in(it's green). Dumbledore and Harry are not at the Pensieve on HBP, they are at the basin the Horcrux rested in(it’s green).

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