David Neiwert has one of the best blog posts I’ve seen to date on this bizarre incident of Bill O’Reilly running a video reporting breathless claims about lesbian gangs who carry, I kid you not, pink pistols. O’Reilly doesn’t say whether or not the pistols are fashioned to look like penises, to complete his paranoid fantasy, but I assume that’s what he’s picturing, symbolically at least.
As Neiwert details, these gangs are just myths. As SPLC reports, O’Reilly is basically letting his commenter Rod Wheeler make a bunch of shit up.
Nine-millimeter Glocks painted pink? Dykes taking over? More than 150 lesbian gangs in the Washington, D.C., area alone? These claims are, as Wheeler suggested, “very, very interesting.” They’re also very, very flimsy. Gaithersburg, Md., Detective Patrick Word, president of the Mid-Atlantic Regional Gang Investigators Network, an intelligence-sharing organization of 400 criminal justice professionals in Maryland, Washington, D.C., and Virginia, said there is no evidence whatsoever of a lesbian gang epidemic in his region. “Our membership reports only one lesbian gang,” Word told the Intelligence Report….
Confronted by the Intelligence Report, Wheeler was unable, in several phone and E-mail exchanges over a two-day period, to specify a single law enforcement agency or officer, police report, media account or any other source he relied upon for his D.C. area lesbian gangs claim.
As Neiwert points out, this is another case of right wing insanity percolating into the mainstream, and the point is to drum up hatred against lesbians. To bank off of that and extend his argument further, I’d point out that this is another instance of right wing projection. When I clicked the link to take me to the YouTube page, I noticed the headline said “violence against men”, and an alarm bell went off in my head. Sure enough, the guy who posted it is an anti-feminist wacko.
When Neiwert says that O’Reilly is transmitting right wing paranoias into the mainstream, this is exactly what he means. It’s extremely important to misogynists to deflect attention from the violent nature of male dominance, to distract people from rape, wife-beating, stalking, and abortion clinic harassment that’s the natural result of systematic oppression. Their favorite method is to make false claims of equality—if women beat and harass men at the same levels as vice versa, then surely it’s not oppression, right? Or even better, it’s oppression of men, so we need to start chipping away at women’s rights in order to set things straight, right? And if they can’t find actual evidence that there’s some sort of systematic violence from women against men, well, they’ll just make it up. Thus, the plot of a sexual fantasy a la Russ Meyer becomes hard news on Fox News, even though it’s utter and total bullshit.
The issue of hate crime legislation is important here, as well. The argument against hate crime laws is that they offer “special” protections for minorities. In reality, they don’t. A hate crime law that specifies assault on the basis of say, sexual orientation, doesn’t say which sexual orientation. In theory, if a group of gay people beat you up for being straight, that could be a hate crime. The only reason there’s a perception that such a law only protects gay people is because there’s not really any incidents of a bunch of gay people cruising around looking for straights to beat up, any more than your average frat boy has a reason to worry that he’ll be sexually assaulted by a bunch of sorority girls if he drinks too much at a party. So most people, if they think about it, will realize that the inequality of the infractions is the issue, and the law has to deal with crimes as committed.
But if you can create the illusion that there’s widespread gay-on-straight hate crimes, then you can muck up the whole issue properly. People will believe that the violence is spread out evenly, since they hear so much about these lesbian gangs on TV and not so much about the actual gay-bashing going on. Then when they find out the vast majority of prosecutions involve homophobic prejudice, it’s easier to convince them that hate crime laws are “special rights”.
So this story about pistol-packing lesbians, while funny, is evidence of more than Bill O’Reilly’s willingness to turn his show into a pantheon of his paranoid fantasies. He’s maybe more sane than we’d like to think, and he’s using stories like this to protect the practice of gay-bashing and to protect gay-bashers from getting their due punishments from the law. While it’s fine to laugh at it, healthy even, it’s also important to parse out the ulterior motives when stuff like this gets on TV.
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Maybe we should reprise the saying that Queer Nation/ACT-UP and other similar street protesters were using in the late 80s/early 90s:
BASH BACK!
Lying liars.
It’s lying liars like this that makes me there’s a Hell.
Thanks for writing about this, Amanda.
I am so joining one of these. Maybe not the raping one, though.
I think I’ll start one in my area, called BLT — Brooklyn Lesbian Takeover.
I’ll bring donuts and a good Ani and Indigo Girls mix, if someone else’ll pick up some of those nifty pink AK-47’s.
You might have to consult with Odanu, the Barroness of BLT’s first.
Interestingly, there is a GLBTQ gun-rights organization called the Pink Pistols (co-founded by a friend of mine) — I wonder if that fact, filtered through a very long game of “Telephone…for morons” is what eventually transmuted into O’Reilly’s “report”.
Ahh, yes, “special rights.” O’Reilly and friends need to consider that every time hate crimes legislation sentences an attacker rather than sitting on paper doing nothing, there was an attack first; someone was hurt, harassed, beaten, injured, or killed, or otherwise suffered, because of some significant and indelible aspect of who they were, where a different type of human being would’ve been safe.
If it is “special rights,” it is effective ONLY in proportion to and in response to special oppression—one might just as well complain that government aid for hurricane victims is unfairly giving money to some people that the rest of us don’t get.
Mr. O’Reilly would, were he ever beaten senseless for being straight, white, Christian, or anything else, would have the right to draw on hate crimes legislation to charge his attackers, same as any of us. But Mr. O’Reilly, being a member of many dominant classes, is in little danger of hate crimes, and for all he calls it unfair that some of us are more likely to get the benefits of such laws, he’s still got the better end of the deal.
I will start a chapter in Manhattan for lesbian and bi women. I’ll call it Pussy Fingers.
You’ll know that one of us shot you because ballistic evidence will reveal that the finger which pulled the trigger was filed down.
Funny, I was originally going to name my website My Pink Pistol, but after I did some Googling, I found Pink Pistols and came up with something different. That report was so sensational it’s hard for me to believe that anyone, anywhere, could actually take it seriously. But perusing YouTube comments can really make you realize how pervasive stupidity is.
It’s like the nonexistent “epidemic” of castration and dismemberment — floated hopefully with the term Bobbitizing to add that false sense of actuality and unreportedness — after Lorena Bobbit severed her adulterous husband John’s penis while he slept.
Another nonexistent trend that never happened, from a sordid one-off event usually filed in the odd but true wire stories category. For obvious reasons, men’s rights groups and other twisty bigots love to scour this sensational category for rarities to fan with bellows bulging with windy rhetoric, into a fearmongering wildfire. No accident the fomenters would rather rely on screaming and panic than objectively verifiable data like hospital, law enforcement and other public records that are subject to outside review and open to testing for integrity, method and fairness.
cf also the “Wilding” (non)craze. This is a monster in its last, desperate gasp. It’s not rendered undangerous or over yet, but it’s definitely coming down.
When I first saw the clip, I figured nobody would actually believe that guy’s outrageous claims. You know, in the way that nobody actually believes what’s printed in the National Enquirer. But then I remembered that the National Enquirer has the largest circulation of any paper in the US, and that millions watch O’Reilly. And if even a fraction of viewers believe this yellow journalism, that’s still a big chunk.
Sigh.
Wow! Bill Orally “reporting” total nonsense as fact and making sh*t up. Now, who ever wouldda thunk it!
Doctor Memory, I think you are probably correct in your supposition. He has always been excellent at taking a randon fact and building a whole wall of sound out of nothing.
Heh-heh. OK “Rod”, I believe you.
WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!
BIG MAC ATTACK!!!!!!
BIG MAC ATTACK!!!!!!
Read the news from “Rod”:
“Bioterrorism attacks could be directed at many targets in the farm-to-fork continuum,” according to a 2003 Government Accounting Office report that Wheeler cited. During the “life” of a McDonald’s Big Mac, there are 250 points at which it could be contaminated deliberately, Wheeler said.
BIG MAC ATTACK!!!!!
BIG MAC ATTACK!!!!!!
Bill O’Reilly’s biggest fear, other than the corruption of Christmas, is being shot with a pink pistol by some girl tougher than himself.
It’s just not manly.
This Wheeler guy’s got a website.
And yes the URL really is rod007.
He says he’s gotten some negative emails, imagine that.
Oh and he chose a racist one as his example, really a shameless troll.
For O’Reilly, only Irish gangs have legitimacy.
Maybe he could help bring Whitey Bulger to justice then. Oh, yeah, Whitey’s a hero (just ask southie)
Recruiting people into lesbian gangs?
If he wants to remain relevant and keep his crowd firmly out of the loop, O’Reilly has to up the ante here: he’s going to have to fuse the fear-of-gays pandering and Fox’s occasional sex pandering by bringing to viewers exclusive, undercover footage of sapphic initiation rites into the lesbian underworld. Viewers must judge the
hotnesshorror by themselves.Spartan Women seems like a good name for a lesbian gang.
am I very very bad for thinking “want” when I saw the pink gun pic? I don’t want bullets or anything. It could just be so funny here, in deeply red state. E.g. mormon missionaries knock at door, and I answer– coffee in one hand, cig in the other, and big pink gun with pretty little flower designs under my arm… “wait, hang on a sec, lemme’ set this down. you might want to stand back–the trigger has been all wonky lately…”
I am so hurt that I have not been invited to join one of these gangs. Okay, so I’m a pacifist, but I could take the minutes, no? Didn’t Kate Clinton have a bit about stealth lesbians years ago? We need to bring back stealth lesbians.
About a year ago, I picked up Kate on her, what, 25th anniversary tour. (My first encounter with her was at the NGLTF conference in Dallas.) LOVE HER!
Recruiting people into lesbian gangs?
When you think about it, it adds new meaning to the phrase lock up your daughters.
You may think it a stretch, but I blame Congress. When Dems and allegedly civilized Republicans refuse to fight hard to stop infringements on mainstream rights, it creates an opportunity for the fringe to focus on groups outside the mainstream. In urban areas where everything is mainstream, these messages don’t make a dent, but they obviously feed a lot of stupid people elsewhere.
IF we were fighting harder all along in Congress, O’Reilly would be dealing with real issues instead of make believe flapdoodle, and we’d be on the offensive trying to expand what’s considered mainstream to more fully include his current targets.
Interestingly, there is a GLBTQ gun-rights organization called the Pink Pistols (co-founded by a friend of mine) — I wonder if that fact, filtered through a very long game of “Telephone…for morons� is what eventually transmuted into O’Reilly’s “report�.
Yup, that’s what I thought when I heard about this on Feministe.
Hey, I’m having falafel for dinner tonight! How funny.
I want to start a gay gang called the Pink Panthers! We’d wear pink berets and do stuff (I’m not really a mean person, so I don’t know what we’d do). Hey, Oraly got canceled in DC. Think this story is some weird revenge shit? I mean, Lesbian gangs sure beats mass murder in San Fan and boycotts in France, right?
Yeah, I want the pink AR-15, too. The only thing that could possibly make it cooler would be a matching M203 grenade launcher and some Hello Kitty stickers.
This one has flowers all over it. Absolutely brilliant.
what about the uniforms?
all good gangs have some kind of colors, or uniform, or tattoo, or something, right?
i’ve always been taken with some of the gangs in that movie The Warriors, from the 70’s. But I don’t know if rollerskates and mime-face will go with our Hello Kitty Glocks or not.
Methinks O’Reilly has been watching too much Switchblade Sisters lately… Can’t say I blame him, really.
oh, no, did i leave my tag open? ohnoes! don’t shoot me with your PowerPuff Girls Uzis!!
whew, that was close…
Thank you for making me laugh. I
What about gangs that dress up like baseball players? or Mimes? Or wear overalls? Or purple waistcoats? What if they drive around in an old green schoolbus? When will Bill O’Reilly expose their evil deeds?
I never cease to be shocked by what comes out of that news channel, pure and unabashed lies and propaganda. It puts a deep fear into me about what will happen if this country is under siege from within or without. Very scary.
“Bioterrorism attacks could be directed at many targets in the farm-to-fork continuum,� according to a 2003 Government Accounting Office report that Wheeler cited. During the “life� of a McDonald’s Big Mac, there are 250 points at which it could be contaminated deliberately, Wheeler said.
How would you tell?
And as regards gay gangs - didn’t Monty Python have a skit with a bunch of English Guardsman engaging in close formation mincing?
geez, most of my lesbian friends hate the color pink - they say it’s too “froo froo.” I guess it’s that whoile Barbir thing.
But I’m confused I thought lesbians hated their feminitiy and pink is a color of really girly girls and then they choose pink guns for their dyke gangs and they probably have pink leathers too with pictured of Billo in their kitchens with the words “die billdo die” written in cherry red lipstick, and in their bedrooms on the dresser they have a dildo voodoo doll with pins and knives stuck in it and posters of Hillary Duff on the bedroom walls with the words “next recruit” written underneath but I digress because you can always tell who a lesbian is because she wears polo shirts and jeans or chinos and her hair is cut into an almost mullet and she has no dresses in her waredrobe and certainly nothing with pink it in, but she has a pink hand gun . . . .
¡Ay dios mÃo!
“What about gangs that dress up like baseball players? or Mimes?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyPPF4_HGII
Yeah, MIMES– those deadly dirty F**CKRS!!
Anyone want to join my gang? 3 more women and I get my toaster.
Toaster? Screw toasters! That’s so 20th century. Now when you join the sisterhood you get the bitchen Lisa Frank Molotov Cocktail Set, complete with stickers of sparkly unicorns.
I only wish I could find one of those lesbian gangs. I have been looking for several years now. All I seem to come up with is groups of women who enjoy cycling and they don’t even ride pink bikes.
opoponax– AND Hello Kitty stickers! (togolosh, that’s a brilliant idea). Now, where’s mine!?
But I’m confused I thought lesbians hated their feminitiy and pink is a color of really girly girls
As a lesbian, i don’t hate my femininity but I do hate being stereotyped as a woman who hates her femininity. And I like pink. If I had a gun, it would be pink.
Hype-Jersey, I think Clytemnestra’s jokingly approximating the head-explodingly hilarious thought process that would ensue if one tried to combine all the usual dyke stereotypes with the concept of the abovementioned pink pistol.
I hope, anyway. Though I have no great attachment to either my femininity or a pink gun. I’ve always been partial to a really sweet katana, maybe with black on black laquer hilt and scabbard.
Well, I actually bought my own toaster anyway.
I guess denim jackets are too 20th century, too?
Crap.
Does the NRA know about this?!?
No, denim jackets are still in, but now you have to recruit 6 new lesbians instead of 5.
PiatoR:
Close order swanning about, actually.
The comments on that video are…weird.
Harley?
i’ve always been taken with some of the gangs in that movie The Warriors, from the 70’s. But I don’t know if rollerskates and mime-face will go with our Hello Kitty Glocks or not.
I gotta admit, that’s where my mind went with this too.
“LESBIANS! COME OUT TO PLA-AY!”
Wasn’t Patrick Stewart in a movie where the gay guys ganged up and called themselves the Pink Panther Brigade? I can’t remember much of anything else about the movie except the pink leather jacket and how well that man minced.
I’ll join if I can get a Hello Kitty toaster. One of the ones that burns Hello Kitty into my toast. That would be sweet.
Anyone want to join my gang? 3 more women and I get my toaster.
I’ve got a toaster. I’ll swap you for the three women.
Oh gods, nobody tell my wife about Hello Kitty themed firearms. It’s bad enough that I have to deal with this goofy toaster that creates a vaguely Hello Kitty-shaped raw spot in my toast every time I use it
Oh gods, nobody tell my wife about Hello Kitty themed firearms. It’s bad enough that I have to deal with this goofy toaster that creates a vaguely Hello Kitty-shaped raw spot in my toast every time I use it
could always be worse.
Amalink - Yes! Patrick Stewart was in a movie where he was in a gay ‘gang’ called the Pink Panthers. The movie is called ‘Jeffrey’, and while Patrick Stewart isn’t in the title role, he’s still the best thing about it. Incidentally, the Pink Panthers gang isn’t one which goes looking to cause trouble or beat up straight people, but is supposed to provide safety-in-numbers to protect people from homophobic violence.
The one thing that struck me about the video clip was that it’s very ambiguous in the way it reports facts. It is mentioned that there are “over 150 gangs in the D.C. area”, but I don’t remember hearing it explicitly stated that those are lesbian gangs, although it is heavily implied. I’d have to give it a second viewing to be sure, but maybe later because I don’t think I can stomach it again right now.
Jeebus.
Between abortion gangs stuffing fetuses in lockers and pink pistol packin mommas taking over the streets, it’s a jungle out there for the conservatives..!
Coincidentally, I watched an episode of Penn and Teller: Bullshit! today on gun control, where Penn suggested making handguns available to women everywhere as a deterrent (not a compulsory one, but you never knew if the woman whose life you threatened wasn’t ready to plug you). He proposed the guns be bright pink, but I think that’s more to do with the man’s fascination with the colour than anything else.
Coincidence? Conspiracy? I think we should be told *shifty eyes*
Poser. At least that’s what my biker friend would say.
Have all the dykes given up on that 5% opportunity window for Amanda?????
the opoponax and Hype-Jersey,
Yes, I was trying to combine all the dyke stereotypes into a type of BillO circular mind loop (complete with hypno spiral eyes) of anyone trying to follow what passes for logic among these people. The end result would be a very messy head explosion.
As I lay awake in bed last night I knocked myself for not including a “kaboom!” at the end of the comment.
It was Rod Wheeler who actually uttered the words about pink pistol, and I don’t think BOR knew beforehand that he would say something like that. For just a couple of seconds, you could look at Bill’s face and see him thinking “WTF? That’s bullshit”. Of course, he pushed past that little bit of involuntary honesty and accepted what that fool said. The story about the man in Ney York supposedly getting attacked by a lesbian gang is especially infuriating, beginning with the fact that a guy selling bootleg DVDs on the street suddenly became an “independent filmaker” in the news stories about the incident.
sapphie
The one thing that struck me about the video clip was that it’s very ambiguous in the way it reports facts. It is mentioned that there are “over 150 gangs in the D.C. area�, but I don’t remember hearing it explicitly stated that those are lesbian gangs, although it is heavily implied.
Try this
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/07/olbermanns-worst-persons-in-the-world-neil-billo-billo/
I think, with the decline of the Republicans showing every sign of a long-continuing downhill trend, that O’Reilly is attempting to position himself as a slapstick comedian. Seriously! It’s not such a great job, but it’s a job.
My brother showed that to me. He got angry when I laughed. He believed it, and was worried about how it would effect GLBT rights. However, I thought it was fishy.
W. Kiernan -
So which Stooge is he trying to be? His name will be easy:
Falafel Bill perhaps?
Or Loofah Ali
Moe Howard
Real Name: Harry Moses Horwitz
Larry Fine
Real Name: Louis Feinberg
Curly Howard
Real Name: Jerome Lester Horwitz
Shemp Howard
Real Name: Samuel Horwitz
Ted Healy
Real Name: Lee Nash
Joe Palma
(body double for Shemp)
Joe Besser
Curly-Joe DeRita
Real Name: Joseph Wardell
Harry (last name unknown)
Real Name: Emil Sitka
Anyone else remember the Christopher Lee character in the movie Serial?
Googling the case mentioned at the start of the O’Reilly clip came up with an interesting link:
http://brownfemipower.com/?p=1612#more-1612
According to this link 29 year old Wayne Buckle was not so much set upon by a lesbian gang as harrassing a group of four lesbian friends. He followed them for a period of time, shouting slurs, and eventually spitting on one, and escalating into violence. At one point it seems he was on top of one of the women and choking her, which is when one of the women finally pulled a knife on him in defense of her friend.
Furthermore, the four women had either known or known of another lesbian who died not too long before in a similar way–she’d been walking along, was accosted, and beaten and stabbed. I’d say they had good reason to be jumpy.
…..
Now I don’t know how accurate that article is, but taken as it stands, it seems to fit the facts equally well, if not more so than Bill’s cloth of lesbian gangs. After all, Bill starts off with the presumption that being gay = lawless. He’s presumed guilt. And god knows the neocons would like nothing better than to keep gays and lesbians from assembling, keep them from protecting themselves. How better to defang them than by saying that a group of lesbians attacking a man must be in a gang.
Also, I notice that the Wayne Buckle attack–the one they lead the story off with–seems to have the most evidence for occuring. It’s the only one where they name the “victim”. But it seems kind of weird that immediately leading off with Wayne Buckle’s attack that they next discuss how the lesbian gangs recruit at schools. Then they show white girls beating up on other white girls, without explaining where the clip came from. I’d originally got the impression that whatever incident had occured, a group of white lesbians had beat up a black guy. I can’t tell whether such misdirection was intentional but it seems there is an undercurrent of racism running through this piece as well.
At no point do they mention that the four women in the Buckle case–all African-American–faced an all-white jury. The fact that they were sent to jail justifies calling them a gang, as far as O’Reilly seems concerned.
Also, I notice Bill says that the gay/lesbian gangs “band together, just like some of the ethnic gangs do”. I’m get the feeling that O’Reilly’s “Lesbians are bad, mmmkay,” message looks even more threatening if you compare them directly to ethnic gang members, because as we all know (sarcasm) any group of any minority meeting together must constitute a gang. An evil gang that wants to hurt people. And we must stop them immediately.
There’s a lot of things to squick me out with this “reporting” but at it’s core, the underlying assumption of privilege is that it’s okay for straight white folks to defend themselves, but black lesbians….MUST BE A GANG! OH NOES! Run for the hills! Lock up those malefactors! Bill O’Reilly’s knickers must be in a swelter at this trifecta of women, race, and sexuality meeting up with violence.
didn’t Monty Python have a skit with a bunch of English Guardsman engaging in close formation mincing?
That same episode featured a news report about gangs of old ladies attacking defenseless young men, gangs of babies that abduct husbands, and vicious gangs of keep left signs.
Bill’s finally gone and done it- he’s taken a Monty Python sketch and turned it into the latest Big Threat. Now that’s just silly. And a bit suspect, I think.
(psst, Dan- this version’s without the damned laugh track…)
MAJeff - Well, “Honda” sounded so very un-dykey. But you know, you meet the nicest people on a Honda.
;)
It is mentioned that there are “over 150 gangs in the D.C. area�, but I don’t remember hearing it explicitly stated that those are lesbian gangs, although it is heavily implied.
Well, they do recruit, of course.
Not like I’d know. I rely on mass transit.
My buddy has had plates put in his shoulders and multiple other injuries from putting the bike down rather than getting in a worse accident. I’ll stick to mass transit.
I wouldn’t actually get one.
I watched a motorcyclist die right in front of me while I was driving home one night. The guy just cartwheeled down the highway. His bike came skidding across the lanes and thank the great hairball I had good reflexes and good brakes; otherwise the bike would have jammed under my side of the truck and flipped me over. Doubly lucky here because I didn’t then run over the guy.
All that metal, leather, and power - definitely sexy. But I’d much rather have 4 wheels under me and a lotta steel around me.
This is why both me and my friend’s GF of a dozen years worry. He’s a bit of an adrenaline junky. I really like having him around (and I’m sure she does even more).
I would just like to note that I emailed this to a friend of mine who studies criminology, especially gang violence, and told her she should totally write her master’s thesis on the lesbian gangs of doom. She wrote back saying “I’m not even going to get started ranting about how many things are wrong with that.”
I am starting a gang called the Lavender Menace.
We will have lavender throwing stars.
It’s going to be awesome.
WRT the DC gangs specifically, Wheeler may be thinking about this clown’s teen and pre-teen lesbian recruitment claims, which have long since been proven to be horseshit.
Throwing stars? Ha! I’m starting a gang called The Preying Mantis Brigade. And I’ll leave our “methods” to your imagination.
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Code Pink is among the groups continuously under surveillance by the FBI, especially at demonstrations and public events (they were surveilled at the National Mall Fourth of July celebration). Perhaps the FBI believes they are all lesbians with pink guns.
EdgyB said
“I want to start a gay gang called the Pink Panthers! ”
In France, there is a group called Les Panthères Roses (Pink Panthers).
Their tagline : “Dykes, trans and faggots made angry by moral order, patriarchy, sexism, racism…”
http://www.pantheresroses.org/
They even have a chapter in Lisbon and Montreal !