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	<title>Comments on: Or maybe all these women are just using &#8220;60 Minutes&#8221; to compile evidence for their divorce suits</title>
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		<title>by: Pacific Views</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-421292</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:04:38 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Failure, Criticism and &quot;Saving Face&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

Though I can't find the book I read it in, I once read something Benjamin Franklin wrote about a seminal experience of his youth. It went something like this: An older acquaintance of his came up to him one day......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>Failure, Criticism and &#8220;Saving Face&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
	<p>Though I can&#8217;t find the book I read it in, I once read something Benjamin Franklin wrote about a seminal experience of his youth. It went something like this: An older acquaintance of his came up to him one day&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>by: Mercurial Georgia</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-421123</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:28:00 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-421123</guid>
					<description>omg, typo:

What the s /wants/, not wrong.

Since the dom can pay attention, but still can't read minds, safewords exist.  I don't think the Christian D/s thing allows that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>omg, typo:</p>
	<p>What the s /wants/, not wrong.</p>
	<p>Since the dom can pay attention, but still can&#8217;t read minds, safewords exist.  I don&#8217;t think the Christian D/s thing allows that.
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		<title>by: Mercurial Georgia</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-421122</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:25:21 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-421122</guid>
					<description>The thing about healthy D/s is, at least the way I want it is, it's about what the /submissive/ wants, not what the dominant wants, though the dom consents to it.


You know how sometimes, people are lazy, or just, expects a lot, which includes, expecting someone to already know what you want so you don't have to work for it to be done?  D/s /plays/ on dominance, where the D is the one who moves the s, but only doing so in ways that the s wrong, while paying close attention that the s is enjoying it.  I like both the idea of being able to relax completely and trust that it will be good (sub), and being given the power to please someone who trust me.

The Christian D/s thing, creepy.  The husband is not using his given authority to please his wife, he's using it to please himself.  So really, he might as well get a blown up doll.  The wife isn't relaxing when she is expected to wait on his wishes always eh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The thing about healthy D/s is, at least the way I want it is, it&#8217;s about what the /submissive/ wants, not what the dominant wants, though the dom consents to it.</p>
	<p>You know how sometimes, people are lazy, or just, expects a lot, which includes, expecting someone to already know what you want so you don&#8217;t have to work for it to be done?  D/s /plays/ on dominance, where the D is the one who moves the s, but only doing so in ways that the s wrong, while paying close attention that the s is enjoying it.  I like both the idea of being able to relax completely and trust that it will be good (sub), and being given the power to please someone who trust me.</p>
	<p>The Christian D/s thing, creepy.  The husband is not using his given authority to please his wife, he&#8217;s using it to please himself.  So really, he might as well get a blown up doll.  The wife isn&#8217;t relaxing when she is expected to wait on his wishes always eh
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		<title>by: Rolan le Gargéac</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420941</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:39:40 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420941</guid>
					<description>Terry Karney

&quot;I’ve got a wealth of, semi, theoretical knowledge; which makes my survival, anywhere on the planet, a reasonably likely outcome. And I know how to make a lot of weapons; from all over the world.

So, if I can make it past the first few days, I have millenia of tactical knowledge, and survival information and food storage, etc., on my side.&quot;

Oh yes, homo superior are we ? The cavemen would eat you, their woodcraft would be light years (humour !) better than yours. Just your odour would probably do you. How good are you at staying still and quiet ? And when is this challenge occurring ? Knowledge of fauna and flora would be vital. And a spear is a distance weapon,
light spears a blood loss weapon, short spears a shock weapon. The stoicism and toughness of the caveman are probably just a bit better than yours.
And, what are you wearing ? Are you nekkid ? etc, etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Terry Karney</p>
	<p>&#8220;I’ve got a wealth of, semi, theoretical knowledge; which makes my survival, anywhere on the planet, a reasonably likely outcome. And I know how to make a lot of weapons; from all over the world.</p>
	<p>So, if I can make it past the first few days, I have millenia of tactical knowledge, and survival information and food storage, etc., on my side.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Oh yes, homo superior are we ? The cavemen would eat you, their woodcraft would be light years (humour !) better than yours. Just your odour would probably do you. How good are you at staying still and quiet ? And when is this challenge occurring ? Knowledge of fauna and flora would be vital. And a spear is a distance weapon,<br />
light spears a blood loss weapon, short spears a shock weapon. The stoicism and toughness of the caveman are probably just a bit better than yours.<br />
And, what are you wearing ? Are you nekkid ? etc, etc etc.
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		<title>by: Terry Karney</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420920</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:35:28 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420920</guid>
					<description>i never really liked the spoon theory.

Even before I was sick I knew there were limits to what I could do in a day.

Now I have different limits, but it's not that I get to spend &quot;spoons&quot;.  I don't know where my limits are, and won't until I hit them.

I know that they are more closely defined than they were, but from day to say when I run out of energy is still unkown.

No, it's not as clear as it ought to be but there you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>i never really liked the spoon theory.</p>
	<p>Even before I was sick I knew there were limits to what I could do in a day.</p>
	<p>Now I have different limits, but it&#8217;s not that I get to spend &#8220;spoons&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t know where my limits are, and won&#8217;t until I hit them.</p>
	<p>I know that they are more closely defined than they were, but from day to say when I run out of energy is still unkown.</p>
	<p>No, it&#8217;s not as clear as it ought to be but there you go.
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		<title>by: Pacific Views</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420843</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:35:49 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Surrendered Wives...&lt;/strong&gt;

Just nauseating. I bet their marriages do go better, though. Presuming that better is measured by the mere absence of bickering. If you're married to someone who wants a slave, then being one will surely make them happier. And that......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>Surrendered Wives&#8230;</strong></p>
	<p>Just nauseating. I bet their marriages do go better, though. Presuming that better is measured by the mere absence of bickering. If you&#8217;re married to someone who wants a slave, then being one will surely make them happier. And that&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>by: MizDarwin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420756</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:00:03 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420756</guid>
					<description>Thanks for clearing up the mystery of the spoons. Good essay, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for clearing up the mystery of the spoons. Good essay, too.
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		<title>by: Doctor Science</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420693</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:12:55 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420693</guid>
					<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/2004/11/the_spoon_theory.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Spoon Theory&lt;/a&gt;. A useful metaphor for all kinds of disabilities, physical or emotional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/2004/11/the_spoon_theory.php" rel="nofollow">The Spoon Theory</a>. A useful metaphor for all kinds of disabilities, physical or emotional.
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		<title>by: Anne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420674</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:40:39 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420674</guid>
					<description>MizDarwin: As I've heard it, using &quot;spoons&quot; as a unit of measure refers to the way in which people with energy disorders (chronic fatigue, etc.) describe their energy levels. It comes from an essay that went around in which a woman with an energy disorder (and I'm sure there's a better name for it) described how she felt to her friend using nearby props, which happened to be spoons. I'm not terribly familiar with all the details, and anon may be using it in a different way, but I figured I'd jump in and mention what I'd heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>MizDarwin: As I&#8217;ve heard it, using &#8220;spoons&#8221; as a unit of measure refers to the way in which people with energy disorders (chronic fatigue, etc.) describe their energy levels. It comes from an essay that went around in which a woman with an energy disorder (and I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a better name for it) described how she felt to her friend using nearby props, which happened to be spoons. I&#8217;m not terribly familiar with all the details, and anon may be using it in a different way, but I figured I&#8217;d jump in and mention what I&#8217;d heard.
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		<title>by: MizDarwin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/18/equal-marriages-not-abuse/#comment-420663</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:13:12 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Anon--Sounds fun to me. I suppose there's all kinds of questions people ask about your lifestyle, but what I'm really wondering is: what the hell is a &quot;low-spoons day&quot;? I have never heard this phrase. (And congratulations on hyphenating your phrasal adjectives correctly; so few people bother these days.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anon&#8211;Sounds fun to me. I suppose there&#8217;s all kinds of questions people ask about your lifestyle, but what I&#8217;m really wondering is: what the hell is a &#8220;low-spoons day&#8221;? I have never heard this phrase. (And congratulations on hyphenating your phrasal adjectives correctly; so few people bother these days.)
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