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	<title>Comments on: Bush&#8217;s Surgeon General nom: gay sex is hazardous to your health</title>
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		<title>by: ATR</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/06/bushs-surgeon-general-nom-gay-sex-is-hazardous-to-your-health/#comment-415816</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:37:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>JunkScience,
If it's so clear to you that the 'parts fit' just the same in gay and straight sex, perhaps you have some insights into the much higher incidence of anal cancer in gay men who have anal sex?  http://aids.about.com/od/otherconditions/a/analca.htm

Casey and the others who are insinuating that vaginal sex is just as dangerous to women as anal sex is to male and female recipients, you have to know how ridiculous those claims are, don't you?  Vaginal sex between two people who are not carriers of HPV or other viruses is statistically IMMENSELY less dangerous than anal sex between two clean people--the simple mechanics involved make this so.  The very fact that human-made lubricants are needed for anal sex is an indicator that the 'parts do not fit' (how long before someone makes the same goofy exceptionalist argument that Casey makes above and goes 'but what about the women who need lubricant for vaginal sex?'--do you not understand the difference between 'very few women need lube for vaginal sex' and 'ALL anal sex recipients need lube'?).  

The ability of people to ignore facts as large as the iceberg that sunk the Titanic when their simplistic ideologies are at stake continues to amaze and confound.  Let's try to *think* first, then ideologize with the facts in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>JunkScience,<br />
If it&#8217;s so clear to you that the &#8216;parts fit&#8217; just the same in gay and straight sex, perhaps you have some insights into the much higher incidence of anal cancer in gay men who have anal sex?  <a href='http://aids.about.com/od/otherconditions/a/analca.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://aids.about.com/od/otherconditions/a/analca.htm</a></p>
	<p>Casey and the others who are insinuating that vaginal sex is just as dangerous to women as anal sex is to male and female recipients, you have to know how ridiculous those claims are, don&#8217;t you?  Vaginal sex between two people who are not carriers of HPV or other viruses is statistically IMMENSELY less dangerous than anal sex between two clean people&#8211;the simple mechanics involved make this so.  The very fact that human-made lubricants are needed for anal sex is an indicator that the &#8216;parts do not fit&#8217; (how long before someone makes the same goofy exceptionalist argument that Casey makes above and goes &#8216;but what about the women who need lubricant for vaginal sex?&#8217;&#8211;do you not understand the difference between &#8216;very few women need lube for vaginal sex&#8217; and &#8216;ALL anal sex recipients need lube&#8217;?).  </p>
	<p>The ability of people to ignore facts as large as the iceberg that sunk the Titanic when their simplistic ideologies are at stake continues to amaze and confound.  Let&#8217;s try to *think* first, then ideologize with the facts in mind.
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		<title>by: Peter</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/06/bushs-surgeon-general-nom-gay-sex-is-hazardous-to-your-health/#comment-415337</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:39:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Casey,

Amen!

STD's are not transmitted by gay sex. They are transmitted by having sex with an infected partner in such a way as to allow that transmission. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Casey,</p>
	<p>Amen!</p>
	<p>STD&#8217;s are not transmitted by gay sex. They are transmitted by having sex with an infected partner in such a way as to allow that transmission. Period.
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		<title>by: Casey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/06/bushs-surgeon-general-nom-gay-sex-is-hazardous-to-your-health/#comment-415195</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:30:57 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>BYU, that stuff you quoted talks about gay and bisexual men, but doesn't mention anything about &quot;risky&quot; kinds of sex or anything so i really don't see how it has anything to do w/ your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>BYU, that stuff you quoted talks about gay and bisexual men, but doesn&#8217;t mention anything about &#8220;risky&#8221; kinds of sex or anything so i really don&#8217;t see how it has anything to do w/ your point.
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		<title>by: Casey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/06/bushs-surgeon-general-nom-gay-sex-is-hazardous-to-your-health/#comment-415194</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:26:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Even PIV sex, where the &quot;parts fit&quot; (ha!) can be dangerous. I am one of those women who gets a bladder infection (very very painful!!) EVERYTIME i have PIV sex. I have to take an anti-biotic EVERYTIME afterwards. I don't let guys ejaculate in me because i get a yeast infection if they do. I have received two strains of HPV even though i use condoms. 

Yet, anal and oral sex has never caused me any problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Even PIV sex, where the &#8220;parts fit&#8221; (ha!) can be dangerous. I am one of those women who gets a bladder infection (very very painful!!) EVERYTIME i have PIV sex. I have to take an anti-biotic EVERYTIME afterwards. I don&#8217;t let guys ejaculate in me because i get a yeast infection if they do. I have received two strains of HPV even though i use condoms. </p>
	<p>Yet, anal and oral sex has never caused me any problems.
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		<title>by: moron</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/06/bushs-surgeon-general-nom-gay-sex-is-hazardous-to-your-health/#comment-415173</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:52:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt; Can we just admit, once and for all, that dragging out the â€śgays = anal sex, and anal sex = grody grody bad badâ€? is basically nothing more than dragging 3rd grade myths about sex out of the playground and onto the political stage? &lt;/i&gt;

It's not &quot;grody&quot; but it would be pointless to deny that it is kind of... &lt;b&gt; &quot;smelly&quot;. &lt;/b&gt;

Perhaps every stereotype contains a grain of truth -- I'm willing to acknowledge that much.

But beyond that -- I don't see the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> Can we just admit, once and for all, that dragging out the â€śgays = anal sex, and anal sex = grody grody bad badâ€? is basically nothing more than dragging 3rd grade myths about sex out of the playground and onto the political stage? </i></p>
	<p>It&#8217;s not &#8220;grody&#8221; but it would be pointless to deny that it is kind of&#8230; <b> &#8220;smelly&#8221;. </b></p>
	<p>Perhaps every stereotype contains a grain of truth &#8212; I&#8217;m willing to acknowledge that much.</p>
	<p>But beyond that &#8212; I don&#8217;t see the problem.
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		<title>by: BYU</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:35:06 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Speaking as someone who enjoys and has actively engaged in some of the riskier behaviors the doctor mentions, albeit in a heterosexual relationship, I have to say that it's distressing to see it claimed that these behaviors do not pose any elevated risk.  They do.  And while any attempt to ban them will be met with (deserved) hoots and jeers, not to mention failure, no one should be spreading the false idea that there is no increased risk of injury and/or disease from them.

From the King County (Seattle) Department of Public Health:

&lt;i&gt;Recently, cases of gonorrhea among gay and bisexual men in King County more than doubled from 1997 through 2000, and chlamydia cases increased by at least 50 percent. The rate of gonorrhea in gay and bisexual men in King County now is at least 10 times higher than in heterosexuals.

Even more dramatically, the rate of syphilis infection in the gay population has skyrocketed, from virtually no cases in 1995 and 1996 to 80 or more cases per year at present. The rate of syphilis in gay and bisexual men in King County now is 150 times greater than for the heterosexual population.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Speaking as someone who enjoys and has actively engaged in some of the riskier behaviors the doctor mentions, albeit in a heterosexual relationship, I have to say that it&#8217;s distressing to see it claimed that these behaviors do not pose any elevated risk.  They do.  And while any attempt to ban them will be met with (deserved) hoots and jeers, not to mention failure, no one should be spreading the false idea that there is no increased risk of injury and/or disease from them.</p>
	<p>From the King County (Seattle) Department of Public Health:</p>
	<p><i>Recently, cases of gonorrhea among gay and bisexual men in King County more than doubled from 1997 through 2000, and chlamydia cases increased by at least 50 percent. The rate of gonorrhea in gay and bisexual men in King County now is at least 10 times higher than in heterosexuals.</p>
	<p>Even more dramatically, the rate of syphilis infection in the gay population has skyrocketed, from virtually no cases in 1995 and 1996 to 80 or more cases per year at present. The rate of syphilis in gay and bisexual men in King County now is 150 times greater than for the heterosexual population.</i>
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		<title>by: Holly</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/06/bushs-surgeon-general-nom-gay-sex-is-hazardous-to-your-health/#comment-415144</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:28:53 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Can we just admit, once and for all, that dragging out the &quot;gays = anal sex, and anal sex = grody grody bad bad&quot; is basically nothing more than dragging 3rd grade myths about sex out of the playground and onto the political stage? Anyone who tries to do these equations should be roundly laughed at, because:

 - studies show that straight people have around as much anal sex as gay people do, which is to say &quot;more straight people than is usually assumed, and fewer gay people.&quot; And yet there's this crazy assumption that every gay man is doing it in the butt, all the time, all night long, etc.

 - even if some other studies were to show that there's more anal sex amongst some kinds of partners, to some extent that's undoubtedly because of these stereotypes that anal sex is something certain people do and others don't;

 - anal sex isn't inherently unhealthy any more than any other kind of sex. Safe sex, which includes more than just protection from STDs, but also things like &quot;don't mess up your partner's insides&quot; is a good idea for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Can we just admit, once and for all, that dragging out the &#8220;gays = anal sex, and anal sex = grody grody bad bad&#8221; is basically nothing more than dragging 3rd grade myths about sex out of the playground and onto the political stage? Anyone who tries to do these equations should be roundly laughed at, because:</p>
	<p> - studies show that straight people have around as much anal sex as gay people do, which is to say &#8220;more straight people than is usually assumed, and fewer gay people.&#8221; And yet there&#8217;s this crazy assumption that every gay man is doing it in the butt, all the time, all night long, etc.</p>
	<p> - even if some other studies were to show that there&#8217;s more anal sex amongst some kinds of partners, to some extent that&#8217;s undoubtedly because of these stereotypes that anal sex is something certain people do and others don&#8217;t;</p>
	<p> - anal sex isn&#8217;t inherently unhealthy any more than any other kind of sex. Safe sex, which includes more than just protection from STDs, but also things like &#8220;don&#8217;t mess up your partner&#8217;s insides&#8221; is a good idea for everyone.
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		<title>by: Roy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/06/bushs-surgeon-general-nom-gay-sex-is-hazardous-to-your-health/#comment-415135</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:46:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;b&gt;I will confess that the amount of time straigh people spend focusing on this is more than a mystery to me. It freaks me the hell out. &lt;/b&gt;

Hell, I identify as straight, and it freaks &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; out. 

Three cheers for &quot;Mind your own fucking business!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>I will confess that the amount of time straigh people spend focusing on this is more than a mystery to me. It freaks me the hell out. </b></p>
	<p>Hell, I identify as straight, and it freaks <i>me</i> out. </p>
	<p>Three cheers for &#8220;Mind your own fucking business!&#8221;
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		<title>by: Peter</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/06/bushs-surgeon-general-nom-gay-sex-is-hazardous-to-your-health/#comment-415068</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:14:33 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can I get two cheers for all-by-yourself masturbation? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why stop at two!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Can I get two cheers for all-by-yourself masturbation? </p></blockquote>
	<p>Why stop at two!
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		<title>by: MAJeff</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/06/bushs-surgeon-general-nom-gay-sex-is-hazardous-to-your-health/#comment-415044</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:28:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I will confess that homosexuality and the question â€śwhy do gays existâ€? is a mystery to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I will confess that the amount of time straigh people spend focusing on this is more than a mystery to me.  It freaks me the hell out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I will confess that homosexuality and the question â€śwhy do gays existâ€? is a mystery to me.</p></blockquote>
	<p>I will confess that the amount of time straigh people spend focusing on this is more than a mystery to me.  It freaks me the hell out.
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