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	<title>Comments on: Religious homobigot wants right to march in Chicago Pride</title>
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		<title>by: boystowners.com &raquo; It&#8217;s all about the &#8220;homo sex&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-414099</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:26:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] This year, however, it appears we&amp;#8217;ve got a new, more infamous fella who wants to tell us Chicago Pride-goers that we&amp;#8217;re sinners, and not just from the sidewalk, either. No, hatemonger Ruben Israel wants to march in the Pride parade with his anti-gay (excuse us, we mean anti-&amp;#8221;homo sex&amp;#8221;) message, and is claiming that the parade organizers are discriminating against him by not allowing him to do it. (Though his message about this is far from embracing diversity and freedom: &amp;#8220;Youâ€™ve offended me. I want to shut you down.&amp;#8221;) But we&amp;#8217;re with Pandagon in wondering why he wants to be around all the threats to national security that&amp;#8217;ll be present at Pride anyway. Wouldn&amp;#8217;t it be safer for him to protest all the other folks he hates on that day, like Mormons, citizens of New Orleans, motorcyclists, Superbowl fans, and Hooters patrons? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] This year, however, it appears we&#8217;ve got a new, more infamous fella who wants to tell us Chicago Pride-goers that we&#8217;re sinners, and not just from the sidewalk, either. No, hatemonger Ruben Israel wants to march in the Pride parade with his anti-gay (excuse us, we mean anti-&#8221;homo sex&#8221;) message, and is claiming that the parade organizers are discriminating against him by not allowing him to do it. (Though his message about this is far from embracing diversity and freedom: &#8220;Youâ€™ve offended me. I want to shut you down.&#8221;) But we&#8217;re with Pandagon in wondering why he wants to be around all the threats to national security that&#8217;ll be present at Pride anyway. Wouldn&#8217;t it be safer for him to protest all the other folks he hates on that day, like Mormons, citizens of New Orleans, motorcyclists, Superbowl fans, and Hooters patrons? [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: resident_alien</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413984</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:56:45 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Good one,Flamethorn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good one,Flamethorn!
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		<title>by: Flamethorn</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413934</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:19:35 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413934</guid>
					<description>Go with Peter's idea from 9:47, but replace the

â€œThe opinions expressed by the group behind us are their own and do not reflect those of the organizers of the paradeâ€? banner

with 

&lt;b&gt;&amp;lt;closet&amp;gt;&lt;/b&gt;

and replace the 

â€œwe now resume our regularly scheduled paradeâ€? banner

with

&lt;b&gt;&amp;lt;/closet&amp;gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Go with Peter&#8217;s idea from 9:47, but replace the</p>
	<p>â€œThe opinions expressed by the group behind us are their own and do not reflect those of the organizers of the paradeâ€? banner</p>
	<p>with </p>
	<p><b>&lt;closet&gt;</b></p>
	<p>and replace the </p>
	<p>â€œwe now resume our regularly scheduled paradeâ€? banner</p>
	<p>with</p>
	<p><b>&lt;/closet&gt;</b>
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		<title>by: MAJeff</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413792</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:28:48 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413792</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The group has a point - gay people ask to be included in parades run by people who want to exclude us. (Though being â€œProud to be gay and Irishâ€? is hardly the same as being an anti-Irish group asking to be in the St. Patrickâ€™s Day parade). So call them on it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And it is the Supreme Court rulidng about keeping homos out of Boston's St. Patrick's Day parade (excuse me, Evacuation Day) that allows the Chicagoe Pride Organizers to exclude the &quot;Rev.&quot; Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>The group has a point - gay people ask to be included in parades run by people who want to exclude us. (Though being â€œProud to be gay and Irishâ€? is hardly the same as being an anti-Irish group asking to be in the St. Patrickâ€™s Day parade). So call them on it.</p></blockquote>
	<p>And it is the Supreme Court rulidng about keeping homos out of Boston&#8217;s St. Patrick&#8217;s Day parade (excuse me, Evacuation Day) that allows the Chicagoe Pride Organizers to exclude the &#8220;Rev.&#8221; Israel.
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		<title>by: Rick Massimo</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413738</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:02:23 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413738</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;James Elsman, a lawyer working with Israel, said he wasnâ€™t so sure the Chicago homosexual group was correct in that interpretation, especially since Israel has been â€œparticipatingâ€? in the parade with his protests for a number of years already.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Awesome! So all I have to do is stand outside the White House and yell a few times and they'll invite me in to their policy discussions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>James Elsman, a lawyer working with Israel, said he wasnâ€™t so sure the Chicago homosexual group was correct in that interpretation, especially since Israel has been â€œparticipatingâ€? in the parade with his protests for a number of years already.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Awesome! So all I have to do is stand outside the White House and yell a few times and they&#8217;ll invite me in to their policy discussions?
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		<title>by: Peter</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413737</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:01:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And actually, from a practical point of view, I donâ€™t think they should be allowed to participate. I think it would distract from the message organizers want to send, and be upsetting to people who come to Pride events to find community and support.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You're right, of course.  I wasn't trying to say that the Pride parade people should be required to accept them. They definitely have the right to exclude anyone.  And they would be absolutely legally justified in doing so. But it would make a very powerful &quot;we're secure enough in ourselves&quot; message.

The organizers definitely need to have some say in who participates, even those who might claim that they aren't anti-gay (NAMBLA leaps to mind). The entirely correct answer to those groups is &quot;so hold your own parade.&quot;

Just being flippant, but wouldn't it be choice to let them in the parade, but then have them follow group with a banner that said something along the lines of &quot;Closeted people are the most homophobic.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>And actually, from a practical point of view, I donâ€™t think they should be allowed to participate. I think it would distract from the message organizers want to send, and be upsetting to people who come to Pride events to find community and support.</p></blockquote>
	<p>You&#8217;re right, of course.  I wasn&#8217;t trying to say that the Pride parade people should be required to accept them. They definitely have the right to exclude anyone.  And they would be absolutely legally justified in doing so. But it would make a very powerful &#8220;we&#8217;re secure enough in ourselves&#8221; message.</p>
	<p>The organizers definitely need to have some say in who participates, even those who might claim that they aren&#8217;t anti-gay (NAMBLA leaps to mind). The entirely correct answer to those groups is &#8220;so hold your own parade.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Just being flippant, but wouldn&#8217;t it be choice to let them in the parade, but then have them follow group with a banner that said something along the lines of &#8220;Closeted people are the most homophobic.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Tina H</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413731</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:50:51 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Crazy Maisie - you don't desire mint chocolate chip ice cream?   You don't yearn for it with every fiber of your being?  Now, people, THAT is an abomination.  

;-)

This from a woman who doesn't like eggplant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Crazy Maisie - you don&#8217;t desire mint chocolate chip ice cream?   You don&#8217;t yearn for it with every fiber of your being?  Now, people, THAT is an abomination.  </p>
	<p>;-)</p>
	<p>This from a woman who doesn&#8217;t like eggplant.
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		<title>by: thistle</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413668</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:27:01 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;The group has a point - gay people ask to be included in parades run by people who want to exclude us. (Though being â€œProud to be gay and Irishâ€? is hardly the same as being an anti-Irish group asking to be in the St. Patrickâ€™s Day parade).&quot;

Yeah, it's really not the same.  But let's not forget that the organizers of that parade--technically not the city of Boston, but a private group--Boston would have had to include the gay group--successfully got the Supreme Court to say that their right to free speech would be infringed by applying MA's antidiscrimination law to make them include a message they disagreed with in their parade.  There is no right to be in a parade organized by a private group--especially a private advocacy group--if your inclusion would dilute or contradict their message.  If the Moral Majority organizes a parade, they don't have to let me in with my &quot;Yay for Abortion!&quot; float.  If the NAACP has a parade, they don't have to let the KKK have a float, either.  That's how it goes.  

And actually, from a practical point of view, I don't think they should be allowed to participate.  I think it would distract from the message organizers want to send, and be upsetting to people who come to Pride events to find community and support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The group has a point - gay people ask to be included in parades run by people who want to exclude us. (Though being â€œProud to be gay and Irishâ€? is hardly the same as being an anti-Irish group asking to be in the St. Patrickâ€™s Day parade).&#8221;</p>
	<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s really not the same.  But let&#8217;s not forget that the organizers of that parade&#8211;technically not the city of Boston, but a private group&#8211;Boston would have had to include the gay group&#8211;successfully got the Supreme Court to say that their right to free speech would be infringed by applying MA&#8217;s antidiscrimination law to make them include a message they disagreed with in their parade.  There is no right to be in a parade organized by a private group&#8211;especially a private advocacy group&#8211;if your inclusion would dilute or contradict their message.  If the Moral Majority organizes a parade, they don&#8217;t have to let me in with my &#8220;Yay for Abortion!&#8221; float.  If the NAACP has a parade, they don&#8217;t have to let the KKK have a float, either.  That&#8217;s how it goes.  </p>
	<p>And actually, from a practical point of view, I don&#8217;t think they should be allowed to participate.  I think it would distract from the message organizers want to send, and be upsetting to people who come to Pride events to find community and support.
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		<title>by: Peter</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413657</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:47:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Seriously, I think they should let his group march in the parade. Possibly behind a group of volunteers with some polite form of &quot;The opinions expressed by the group behind us are their own and do not reflect those of the organizers of the parade&quot; banner, and followed by a &quot;we now resume our regularly scheduled parade&quot; banner.

Then the group will get miles and miles of direct response to their efforts. And it will be televised, right along with all the groups of normal, well-balanced, family-friendly people. They'll look like complete idiots.

The group has a point - gay people ask to be included in parades run by people who want to exclude us. (Though being &quot;Proud to be gay and Irish&quot; is hardly the same as being an anti-Irish group asking to be in the St. Patrick's Day parade). So call them on it.

Let them march - and under the same rules of behavior that apply to everyone else. What makes me think that they either won't pay their parade fee or simply just won't show up at all on Pride day?

If they do show up, put the gay religious groups around them in the parade. (and have someone on hand to clean things up when their intolerant brains explode all over the parade route.)

Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seriously, I think they should let his group march in the parade. Possibly behind a group of volunteers with some polite form of &#8220;The opinions expressed by the group behind us are their own and do not reflect those of the organizers of the parade&#8221; banner, and followed by a &#8220;we now resume our regularly scheduled parade&#8221; banner.</p>
	<p>Then the group will get miles and miles of direct response to their efforts. And it will be televised, right along with all the groups of normal, well-balanced, family-friendly people. They&#8217;ll look like complete idiots.</p>
	<p>The group has a point - gay people ask to be included in parades run by people who want to exclude us. (Though being &#8220;Proud to be gay and Irish&#8221; is hardly the same as being an anti-Irish group asking to be in the St. Patrick&#8217;s Day parade). So call them on it.</p>
	<p>Let them march - and under the same rules of behavior that apply to everyone else. What makes me think that they either won&#8217;t pay their parade fee or simply just won&#8217;t show up at all on Pride day?</p>
	<p>If they do show up, put the gay religious groups around them in the parade. (and have someone on hand to clean things up when their intolerant brains explode all over the parade route.)</p>
	<p>Peter
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		<title>by: CJS</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/03/religious-homobigot-wants-right-to-march-in-chicago-pride/#comment-413646</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:26:51 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Homo sex quite literally causes the Holy Spirit so much pain that if it were possible for God to vomit He would do so?This is the kind of ill feelings that evil men give to the God of the Bible?.they give Him heartburn as it were by virtue of their sexual perversity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, what a lame deity.  It can't even vomit but I'm supposed to believe that it created the world in six days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Homo sex quite literally causes the Holy Spirit so much pain that if it were possible for God to vomit He would do so?This is the kind of ill feelings that evil men give to the God of the Bible?.they give Him heartburn as it were by virtue of their sexual perversity.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Wow, what a lame deity.  It can&#8217;t even vomit but I&#8217;m supposed to believe that it created the world in six days?
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